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News Credits: 7 · Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:24 am

I'm here for the Optimus/Elita content.

News Credits: 6 · Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:52 am

Avensis-Mahiya wrote:Out of curiosity, what would you like to see more/less of in the franchise? I just want to know where you're coming from.

Less reliance on the past. It has been nearly four decades and there have been massively successful series that prove rigid devotion to G1 isn't needed to sell Transformers. The franchise sells itself if the writing, marketing and design are upto the challenge. Less Ratchet, Ironhide, Bumblebee etc More Bulkhead, Hot Shot, Rattrap and all the other New characters that have been successfully launched in the past few decades.

It is funny, to look at the Takara Series, they did just that back in the late 80's. Culled all the old faces away. As I've said before it is really odd that in a franchise that is 36 years old, some people are far too fixated on the first three years. Does James Bond stick to revamping the Sean Connery era? Does Doctor Who fixate on the First Doctor? Does the Gundam franchise stick to Mobile Suit Gundam? The X-Men on the Original Five? No is the answer to all those things and these series have been around a lot longer than Transformers.

TL:DR Respect the past, but don't slavishly try to emulate it forever.

News Credits: 656 · Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:58 am

Sabrblade wrote:
o.supreme wrote:
ScottyP wrote:Well, it at least looks better than the Prime Wars trilogy. Who's the voice of Optimus here? It sounds off.

Yeah it's the guy who voices Prime on Cyberverse.
It is? Oh, nice. He's definitely gotten better in this season of Cyberverse, enabling Optimus to emote better and have a more diverse emotional range now that he's been put into more non-war situations.

I don't mind him in Cyberverse but something sounds off about it here, to me. It's probably the setting.

There's a segment of the fandom that won't accept substitutes for Cullen and Welker. While I don't personally have that opinion, with the amount of potential eyeballs on this series I think it's a misstep to not cast them. Also see: they spent all their money on the animation.

News Credits: 1350 · Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:23 am

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
Avensis-Mahiya wrote:Out of curiosity, what would you like to see more/less of in the franchise? I just want to know where you're coming from.

Less reliance on the past. It has been nearly four decades and there have been massively successful series that prove rigid devotion to G1 isn't needed to sell Transformers. The franchise sells itself if the writing, marketing and design are upto the challenge. Less Ratchet, Ironhide, Bumblebee etc More Bulkhead, Hot Shot, Rattrap and all the other New characters that have been successfully launched in the past few decades.

It is funny, to look at the Takara Series, they did just that back in the late 80's. Culled all the old faces away. As I've said before it is really odd that in a franchise that is 36 years old, some people are far too fixated on the first three years. Does James Bond stick to revamping the Sean Connery era? Does Doctor Who fixate on the First Doctor? Does the Gundam franchise stick to Mobile Suit Gundam? The X-Men on the Original Five? No is the answer to all those things and these series have been around a lot longer than Transformers.

TL:DR Respect the past, but don't slavishly try to emulate it forever.

Funny to think that Hot Shot is just a renamed Bumblebee :lol:

if it weren't for the fact that Hasbro lost the trademark.

Also gundam is a tricky example to use as it may not focus on the original series it does heavily rely on the original universe, the UC timeline. The last few animated works have been focused on it (Gundam The Origin, Thunderbolt Gundam, Gundam Unicorn, Gundam Hathaway Flash... I think I may be forgetting one). Now the Transformers comparison would be if Hasbro was still doing toylines or productions set in the Original Generation 1 universe. Heck if they really wanted to, Hasbro could do a Turn A Bang and insist that every alternate timeline of Transformers fiction took place in the same, massive, continuity.

News Credits: 6 · Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:51 am

Technically all the other examples I gave use the same timeline they had from the outset. The obvious distinction being James Bond, wherein the Daniel Craig era was a reboot of the series. Yet from Dr. No to Die Another Day was all, nebulously, the same character's journey.

The G1 toys are still using the aesthetic of the original series though. Designs for planes, cars, trucks and audio equipment that is laughably outdated. Even the concept designs of the post-Movie characters are concepts from three and a half decades ago. Nothing about them is new anymore.

Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:17 pm

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Designs for planes, cars, trucks and audio equipment that is laughably outdated.

This is a huge issue for me.

News Credits: 19 · Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:21 pm

Maybe the transformers will scan their alt modes from old earth TV and when they get finally get to earth everything is new (that still won't explain their siege earth modes :>).
If the Autobot and Decepticons have to call their HQs and its the same person running it, I'll slow clap. Genlock was okay/enjoyable (boring main mech designs to begin with) so I'm doubting this will go wrong. They can turn red vs blue from comedy to uber dark and real on a dime so it might have a beast wars feel.

News Credits: 1646 · Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:48 pm

ScottyP wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
o.supreme wrote:
ScottyP wrote:Well, it at least looks better than the Prime Wars trilogy. Who's the voice of Optimus here? It sounds off.

Yeah it's the guy who voices Prime on Cyberverse.
It is? Oh, nice. He's definitely gotten better in this season of Cyberverse, enabling Optimus to emote better and have a more diverse emotional range now that he's been put into more non-war situations.
I don't mind him in Cyberverse but something sounds off about it here, to me. It's probably the setting.

There's a segment of the fandom that won't accept substitutes for Cullen and Welker. While I don't personally have that opinion, with the amount of potential eyeballs on this series I think it's a misstep to not cast them. Also see: they spent all their money on the animation.

At least the initial look looks significantly better than the Prime Wars trilogy I'll give them that

News Credits: 462 · Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:40 pm

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
ScottyP wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
o.supreme wrote:
ScottyP wrote:Well, it at least looks better than the Prime Wars trilogy. Who's the voice of Optimus here? It sounds off.

Yeah it's the guy who voices Prime on Cyberverse.
It is? Oh, nice. He's definitely gotten better in this season of Cyberverse, enabling Optimus to emote better and have a more diverse emotional range now that he's been put into more non-war situations.
I don't mind him in Cyberverse but something sounds off about it here, to me. It's probably the setting.

There's a segment of the fandom that won't accept substitutes for Cullen and Welker. While I don't personally have that opinion, with the amount of potential eyeballs on this series I think it's a misstep to not cast them. Also see: they spent all their money on the animation.

At least the initial look looks significantly better than the Prime Wars trilogy I'll give them that

Keep in mind that it's also a different animation studio. Whereas Machinima used the (legendary) Tatsunoko Production to (poorly) animate the Prime Wars Trilogy, Rooster Teeth are using Polygon Pictures to animate this trilogy.

Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:00 pm

How the hell did Tatsunoko screw that up? Or was the budget 30$?

Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:02 am

I think I might've said this before, but I loved it when Animated, Prime, and even the Bayverse gave the Cybertronians different frame types. It was new and familiar at the same time, which I respect. Constantly using G1 frame types just seems like artistic stagnation. Not a good look (pun slightly intended).

As for new faces in the franchise, I'm down for that. The thing, I feel, is striking a balance between new and old in a way that doesn't alienate either camp. New fans and old fans are both necessary for the longevity of a franchise.

I actually enjoy Transformers Victory and other G1 sub-branches, and yeah, I'd like to see more of that.

News Credits: 56 · Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:52 pm

ok, so I haven't watched the trailer frame-by-frame...but with the toys staring to come out, is Elita-1 so far the only character in-show that isn't in the toy line? (I'm talking about Siege overall, not just the Netflix repaints)

News Credits: 1646 · Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:57 pm

o.supreme wrote:ok, so I haven't watched the trailer frame-by-frame...but with the toys staring to come out, is Elita-1 so far the only character in-show that isn't in the toy line? (I'm talking about Siege overall, not just the Netflix repaints)

Bumblebee isn't either

News Credits: 56 · Thu May 28, 2020 6:02 am

So, June 1 is only 4 days away, and we still don't have a release date for this series. Most websites have announced Netflix's release offerings for June and many don't even include the Transformers series. I was able to find one that referenced Siege, but had *TBD* for the release date. Its just kind of unfortunate being so close and yet knowing so very little. Its my understanding some shows have been delayed as well, but we still know nothing about if this series has been delayed or not.

Thu May 28, 2020 10:58 am

Btw I'm just here to post and say an early 'I told you so' that the series will be **** because Rooster Teeth is full of hacks with no talent. Call me negative but I'll see you all in a bit once you realize this is Machinima 2.0. >:oP

News Credits: 6 · Thu May 28, 2020 11:07 am

I don't see the problem with another animated cartoon? Do Transformers series need to be CG now? Surely animation is cheaper and you can get longer shows out of it??

Thu May 28, 2020 11:46 am

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I don't see the problem with another animated cartoon? Do Transformers series need to be CG now? Surely animation is cheaper and you can get longer shows out of it??

No. We've reached the point where 3D is cheaper, which is why there's so much bad CG in cheap side projects and corny Netflix exclusives.

News Credits: 56 · Thu May 28, 2020 11:50 am

If it's true animation like Young Justice, I'd be all for it, but since Prime , all we've had are shows that look awful (Rid15 and Cyberverse) . I get that those shows are for kids, so that's fine, but yeah, a show that appeals to teens and adults I would hope would look better

Skritz wrote:Btw I'm just here to post and say an early 'I told you so' that the series will be **** because Rooster Teeth is full of hacks with no talent. Call me negative but I'll see you all in a bit once you realize this is Machinima 2.0.

I agree with the seeming lack of talent part. My mind says you are probably right, but my heart really wants this to be good. My favorite part of the Transformers trifecta (Toys, comics, and animation) has always been animation, and to not have a good one in so long (Prime was the last) makes me sad.

Thu May 28, 2020 12:05 pm

Oh don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to be proven wrong! Its just I have no faith in the Rooster Teeth team, knowing it involves the people who took over RWBY after it's creator passed away and that show has been an ever declining trainwreck.

News Credits: 462 · Thu May 28, 2020 4:19 pm

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I don't see the problem with another animated cartoon? Do Transformers series need to be CG now? Surely animation is cheaper and you can get longer shows out of it??

Where is this coming from? No one said anything about either a new show or CGI being bad things in and of themselves.

News Credits: 1350 · Thu May 28, 2020 4:25 pm

Also there's plenty of short 2D animation, I mean the original clone wars cartoon was 3 minutes long an episode! And was in 2D all the same. Just because something is in 2D doesn't make it better.

News Credits: 462 · Thu May 28, 2020 4:35 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:Also there's plenty of short 2D animation, I mean the original clone wars cartoon was 3 minutes long an episode! And was in 2D all the same. Just because something is in 2D doesn't make it better.

It was also 17 years ago.

News Credits: 1350 · Thu May 28, 2020 4:41 pm

Ssshh you're making me feel old. If you want something more recent adventure time is 2D and it's eps are also short

News Credits: 56 · Thu May 28, 2020 5:21 pm

I enjoyed Tartaksovskys Clone Wars.. Adventure Time is not my thing... Traditional Animation truly is becoming less frequent, which is sad. I think most people automatically conclude high-tech robots should use the height of visual technology to have their stories told.... unfortunately when the budget is cheap, it is pretty obvious, and works against it's intended purpose.

News Credits: 1350 · Thu May 28, 2020 6:31 pm

No cartoon can ever be worse animated then Rapsittie Street Kids: Believe in Santa ... a Christmas special that some how got some decent voices, even the machima stuff looked better than that.