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Burn wrote:

Liege Evilmus wrote:

Dr. Z wrote:

Liege Evilmus wrote:The reissue is not vintage, but exact.

False : the reissue has silver where the original had white. And some gold chrome where there was yellow.

But the mold was sit exact, made of good quality, and official.

These KOs are no different from me learning how to cast mold and dropping them in a box with "TRANSFORMERS" writen on it with a sharpie.

Yep, that would be worthless, and so are these!

As for a reasonable price being around $30-$40. That is fair to me, hell the recent motorized Dai Atlas reissue went for only $25, so why not this.

Give in to a gauge and they'll push the blade deeper, fight it and you may have a chance!

It's not worth it dude. KO supporters just simply don't get that these are "illegal unlicensed products".

Trust me, i've had this "discussion" with them in two other threads this week.

Well to them all I can say is enjoy expesive shelf clutter.

As I've said, if this was to go for a realistic KO price, that would be one thing. But recent Kos are being passed for vintage, and to me thats a rip off to the buyer, and a short change to a respecatble collection.

I myself have G1 Metroplex boxed, and am longing to play with him, but not willing to detriment him. A quality KO at a fair KO price would be a nice interactive piece.

But again, for the price these are starting at, I'd rather have a loose G1 to enjoy in all his unaltered, uncheapened glory than a subpar QC questionable knock off(realy yoou can get one for about $60 on average).

To those who suport these as a viable resort, you are not TRANSFORMER collectors, as you have no TRANSFORMERS in your collection.

I don't collect as an investment, and I just wanna state that as I say, enjoy smiling at your valueless clutter, while I take pride in my noteworthy collection!

Decepticlone Soundwave wrote:You have to admit, this is a nice substitute if you don't want to blow big bucks on a G1 Metroplex.

As much as internet is a good substitute for real life... The fact is, all loose Metroplex, may it be loose complete, or just MIB, will be worthless in the moment this sh*t comes out, and this will happen to all figures that come out in "high quality reissues"

I support funky knockoffs, but these bootlegs must be stopped.

Liege Evilmus wrote:
That is fair to me, hell the recent motorized Dai Atlas reissue went for only $25, so why not this.

The Dai Atlas KO is awful. The motorized action doesn't work half of the time and skips badly; loose joints and panels; loose fitting accessories (especially the shield); Micromaster self-destroys upon first transformation. So yeah, that one was worth $25 at best.

Liege Evilmus wrote:
To those who suport these as a viable resort, you are not TRANSFORMER collectors, as you have no TRANSFORMERS in your collection.

I don't collect as an investment, and I just wanna state that as I say, enjoy smiling at your valueless clutter, while I take pride in my noteworthy collection!

Where might one find these worthy notes you speak of?

The only reason I'd buy that would be to repaint/kitbash it into a possible HMW character. But if they're gonna price it over $50, it's not worth it. I'd rather take my chances on eBay trying to get an authentic G1 Metroplex.

I just won an origonal for $41.00. It is misssing one missle but what the hell is that. Why would anyone pay 100.00 or more for something thats not origonal or atleast an offical reissue when you can pick up a G1 for less . I dont know, maybe Im missing something but dont think so. Just look at those outrageous prices for those dinobot KO's. I think the most disturbing thing is the prices they are charging for this KO crap not so much that they are producing it. I think they are mostly trying to target the uneducated TF buyers out there more so than fooling the educated ones.

MagnusPrimal wrote:

Liege Evilmus wrote:As for a reasonable price being around $30-$40. That is fair to me, hell the recent motorized Dai Atlas reissue went for only $25, so why not this.

There was a recent Dai Atlas reissue?

Yep about 2 years ago, had a BatMan logo instead of AutoBot on the wings, but full sized complete and with all the motorized gimmicks. Sold on average for about $20.

That right there is just one more straw on the camel's back when I think of these newer KOs

JBrock wrote:

Liege Evilmus wrote:
To those who suport these as a viable resort, you are not TRANSFORMER collectors, as you have no TRANSFORMERS in your collection.

I don't collect as an investment, and I just wanna state that as I say, enjoy smiling at your valueless clutter, while I take pride in my noteworthy collection!

Where might one find these worthy notes you speak of?

In the hunt! There's an easy way and a hard way. I've been looking for a Sky Garry and Grandus for a while now. I know I can score the Brave Series versions for cheap(and currently there is an almost affordable Grandus on Ebay but more prevolent matters...) But they aren't right!

I've been looking for an affordable loose Metroplex, but am waiting for the right deal. Congrats to stsausser, I know the auction you won it's a nice figure.

I didn't bid myself though cause again I have Metroplex MIB, and during the summer saw him sell in similar condition for $28(I know cause I lost by $.50 since I wasn't at my computer at auctions end). But with that to see a KO sell for top dollar kills me!

I'd rather keep trying for that perfect price, and have a noteworthy play peice! As stand ins, OK, but for additions to a collection worth mention, well, I'd rather take my time, do it the hard way, and have it the right way
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As for the "Crappy Dai Atlas Reissue" well yeah it may be sucky, but the price for a stand in is right, and who's to say this won't be just as bad?

I'm making it a point to not knock the quality of an unreleased mold, just it's valility. Asuming that an unreleased Knock Off will be of the same quality as an origional before it's released is an argument that will not hold water with me.

Put a $30 tag on this and it's a nice stand in, but otherwise, don't take pride in your new MSIB TRANSFORMER cause that's not what you just bought.

If your gonna do something, do it right!

There was a Dai Atlus bootleg, back around 2000, I believe, that was a pretty close replica of the original. It had an authentic looking box (with a different C-Designation) and, with a few minor exceptions, the stickers/paint aps, etc, were spot-on.

Later, a company reproduced Dai Atlus again, apparently using the knockoff as the basis. This one was, to put it nicely, less than great. The Batman logos instead of Autobot logos were...interesting.

The 100 dollar price tag seems to include having the large/heavy box shipped from China. It doesn't seem like a bad price for a nice display piece. If you're looking to complete a vintage Metroplex, you might pay more than this just for all the little bits that fall off of it. It might kill the market on Vintage Metroplex figs, but that's a good thing for all you collectors, right?

An average lot of metroplex parts goes for about goes for about $25 Hell the 2 maroon guns usualy start at $9.98.

As or a nice boxed shelf piece...

Well some may be happier paying top dollar for a RiemByant.org as apose to a Rembrant!?!

TOTALLY getting this one, it looks good enough for me. All I want is the mold, not fussed about it being "authentic" or whatever, they're freaking toys for Pete's sake

That things looks repulsive. Did the original Metroplex look that bad?

Well there's no stickers applied, so that's really going to hurt the look of it.

I'm thinking of getting this just to complete sixgun

TheMuffin wrote:That things looks repulsive. Did the original Metroplex look that bad?

If people were only reading BEFORE posting... It's already been mentionned in this very thread : THIS IS JUST AN UNPAINTED TEST SHOT.

Dr. Z wrote:

Sid Burn wrote:If this is it than all the worry is for nothing. He is missing all the chromed pieces. There wont be any trouble seeing this as the KO is is, white legs and black face? Thats not Metroplex

That's obviously not the final deco, just an uncolored test shot.

Hence my use of the word "if"

Noone knows if the chrome will be applied or not.

Think about it just for a millisecond. Why would they go through all the trouble of reproducing a complex G1 toy with the original box and accessories and forget about the chrome, a very minor step? Doesn't make any sense. THERE WILL BE CHROME.

Dr. Z wrote:Think about it just for a millisecond. Why would they go through all the trouble of reproducing a complex G1 toy with the original box and accessories and forget about the chrome, a very minor step? Doesn't make any sense. THERE WILL BE CHROME.

What's with the defense of product you've not seen first hand, from a company you've not bought from, in an aspect of production that is questionable at best?

What's with the bashing of product you've not seen first hand, from a company you've not bought from? It works both ways.

Dr. Z wrote:What's with the bashing of product you've not seen first hand, from a company you've not bought from? It works both ways.

because at the end of the day, its still a bootleg. No amount of paint, chrome, or stickers is gonna change that simple fact.

Eh, unless they colour the face it's still just a crappy KO to me. Kinda reminds me of the Destroy Monarch G1 Megatron KO I got (no silver face).

sadly, more people will get ripped off because of this garbage.

Dr. Z wrote:What's with the bashing of product you've not seen first hand, from a company you've not bought from? It works both ways.

Because the burden of proof when dealing with a KO, Bootleg, Reproduction, or other non-official product lies entirely upon the production team.

They have to prove that their product is not garbage.

Besides, it seems you haven't read what I've written on the subject, while I, unfortunately, have read what you have written.

Counterpunch wrote:while I, unfortunately, have read what you have written.

That borders on flaming/trolling to me... no need for that, ok?

Gutter Bunny wrote:

Dr. Z wrote:What's with the bashing of product you've not seen first hand, from a company you've not bought from? It works both ways.

because at the end of the day, its still a bootleg. No amount of paint, chrome, or stickers is gonna change that simple fact.

QFT! This is an unofficial counterfeit, and no matter how well people think it fits into their collections, it isnt really Metroplex.

Same goes for the Dinobots, Mirage, Wheeljack and all the minibots and gestalts these rip off artists pump into the marketplace.