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It looks brilliant to me.

I (fortunately) did not waste my money on the unofficial overpriced trash that was PE's Rumble and Frenzy so having a proper representation of the Cassete brothers in the Classics line is excellent for me.

Starscream GaGa wrote:It looks brilliant to me.

I (fortunately) did not waste my money on the unofficial overpriced trash that was PE's Rumble and Frenzy so having a proper representation of the Cassete brothers in the Classics line is excellent for me.

That's dumb.

What do you know if they are trash or not? You didn't buy them, so your opinion is just hyperbole in support of your decision/justification to go the less expensive route.

You may not like the look of the Perfect Effect figures, but calling them trash is straight up ignorant.

michael alex kawa wrote:Very cool figure ,i just wish he did'nt have a RUBSIGN ,but i guess thats for the KIDS and not the COLLECTERS.

Those rubsign stickers peel off really, REALLY easily, just the nature of them being kinda stiff. The ones on my Battle in Space set were off in less than 10 seconds with no residue.

Counterpunch wrote:

Starscream GaGa wrote:It looks brilliant to me.

I (fortunately) did not waste my money on the unofficial overpriced trash that was PE's Rumble and Frenzy so having a proper representation of the Cassete brothers in the Classics line is excellent for me.

That's dumb.

What do you know if they are trash or not? You didn't buy them, so your opinion is just hyperbole in support of your decision/justification to go the less expensive route.

You may not like the look of the Perfect Effect figures, but calling them trash is straight up ignorant.

They're not trash because they look bad (which I do think they do) they're trash because they're $60 tiny pieces of plastic that were made to have people waste money on in order to profit from the success of somebody elsé's product. It's my opinion on 3rd Party Products as a whole. They're trash making money from a franchise they don't own. Not in the way of junk in a trashcan but because of how you refer to thieves as trash. In my opinion its stealing. Transformers is not their property and I don't think its right for them to be allowed to make figures in order to make money riding the surf of Transformer's earned success. I hope that makes sense, I don't think I'm wording it properly...

I know I'm a minority, but it irks me when people are passing by good official products like this figure because they've spent money on something that is not giving the profit to the company that actually owns the franchise. To me, its downright stealing.

cannonfodder4000 wrote:
Well, I would have gotten the PE versions if their colors werent totally wrong, and I dont mean it in a RIBFIR kinda way. >.>

yea I hear ya, thats why I painted mine. It sucks they don't have legit alt modes that I care about, but it wasn't like a Cassette alt mode has much play value to it anyway

and hasbro gets so much of my money anyway that I don't feel bad buying 3d party items. You forget that most of these 3rd party items REQUIRE a hasbro product to even function. PE and Defender are the exception. There is an argument to be had that Hasbro is seeing more sales on dead figures because of 3rd party companies. Thats a whole different can of worms though.

Suffice to say that the robot modes of the PE tapes in relation to my Music Label soundwave was alone worth the money to me. And when you have been such a seasoned collector as I am, you know that looking at your shelf and being happy with the choices you've made is worth the extra money you might have spent along the way for the more "premium" figure choices

I agree about having too many tanks, but the figure itself is a "get" for me. I have the PE set and they are on my MP shelf, but I'm looking forward to adding these versions of F & R to my classics collection as well.

Looks so awesome. My only worry...do I get him right away or wait for the red version?

kirbenvost wrote:Looks so awesome. My only worry...do I get him right away or wait for the red version?

Are you kidding? Get both!

So far I've only collected Ru-er, Fre-er...the red guy!

I dig the new version of Rumble/Frenzy....I just hate hate HATE those frackin' rubsigns!

Not perfect, but looks good to me.

kirbenvost wrote:So far I've only collected Ru-er, Fre-er...the red guy!

Hope he has pants on this time.

I don't get what everyone sees in this figure. It looks like a giant robo-chicken with gorilla arms.

I don't need my toys to be G1 accurate, but when NEITHER mode is even close, I'm not interested.

Just because they got the head right and he has piledrives does NOT make him Rumble.

juxtapose519 wrote:I don't get what everyone sees in this figure. It looks like a giant robo-chicken with gorilla arms.

I don't need my toys to be G1 accurate, but when NEITHER mode is even close, I'm not interested.

Just because they got the head right and he has piledrives does NOT make him Rumble.

Head, pile drivers and chest. That's more than enough. Besides, who still uses cassettes these days? Do the kids even know them?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

juxtapose519 wrote:I don't get what everyone sees in this figure. It looks like a giant robo-chicken with gorilla arms.

I don't need my toys to be G1 accurate, but when NEITHER mode is even close, I'm not interested.

Just because they got the head right and he has piledrives does NOT make him Rumble.

Head, pile drivers and chest. That's more than enough. Besides, who still uses cassettes these days? Do the kids even know them?

I think one point that stands in regards to the PE figures over these is that they still maintain the component aspect of the original characters. The tapes went in G1 Soundwave and likewise WFC Soundwave or your stand in Soundwave can wield the PE versions.

The tank modes don't really tie them to Soundwave in any way (yet). All that and still I think these new figures are actually pretty nice.

I like these guys. Are they perfect? No. Would I have done different things if I were designing them? Yes. But I don't work for Hasbro. I will be buying Rumble as soon as I see him and Frenzy when he comes out.

So has the notion from a few months back that the two combine been debunked?

Kibble wrote:So has the notion from a few months back that the two combine been debunked?

That's what I was wondering. But, the forth pic down kind of looks like a possible third "combined" mode waiting to happen. Unless that picture is showing us something I'm missing.

Starscream GaGa wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

Starscream GaGa wrote:It looks brilliant to me.

I (fortunately) did not waste my money on the unofficial overpriced trash that was PE's Rumble and Frenzy so having a proper representation of the Cassete brothers in the Classics line is excellent for me.

That's dumb.

What do you know if they are trash or not? You didn't buy them, so your opinion is just hyperbole in support of your decision/justification to go the less expensive route.

You may not like the look of the Perfect Effect figures, but calling them trash is straight up ignorant.

They're not trash because they look bad (which I do think they do) they're trash because they're $60 tiny pieces of plastic that were made to have people waste money on in order to profit from the success of somebody elsé's product. It's my opinion on 3rd Party Products as a whole. They're trash making money from a franchise they don't own. Not in the way of junk in a trashcan but because of how you refer to thieves as trash. In my opinion its stealing. Transformers is not their property and I don't think its right for them to be allowed to make figures in order to make money riding the surf of Transformer's earned success. I hope that makes sense, I don't think I'm wording it properly...

I know I'm a minority, but it irks me when people are passing by good official products like this figure because they've spent money on something that is not giving the profit to the company that actually owns the franchise. To me, its downright stealing.

I agree with you. That's exactly why I don't like the 3rd party stuff as well

Hmm, I wonder how tall he stands. I'm thinking to use this version of Frenzy/Rumble w/ the 3rd party versions as a crude form of triple changing.

amcgrath929 wrote:That's what I was wondering. But, the forth pic down kind of looks like a possible third "combined" mode waiting to happen. Unless that picture is showing us something I'm missing.

Good call...maybe that is what it's supposed to be showing. I thought that was just one of those terrible "battle modes" they like to do these days, be it official or fan-made.

I don't care what anyone says; The blue one is Frenzy and the Red & black one is Rumble. End of story.

These p*** all over the PE figures - cheaper, bigger, better quality, better paint job.

Well done to PE for doing a pretty good job with their sets but I think the RTS/United figures look really good. Pre-ordered!

ugh....a tank. The tank modes are like default alt modes indicative of a lack of inspiration and imagination to me. So bored of tanks. Whateve. On the bright side though, they made a Rumble, so i should be happy but i'll pass. PE did it better.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

kirbenvost wrote:So far I've only collected Ru-er, Fre-er...the red guy!

Hope he has pants on this time.

Hahahah! It actually took me a sec to get the reference...must be getting forgetful in my old age...

Kibble wrote:

amcgrath929 wrote:That's what I was wondering. But, the fourth pic down kind of looks like a possible third "combined" mode waiting to happen. Unless that pIicture is showing us something I'm missing.

Good call...maybe that is what it's supposed to be showing. I thought that was just one of those terrible "battle modes" they like to do these days, be it official or fan-made.

Haha true, you can never rule that out either.

Powermaster Jazz wrote:

Starscream GaGa wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

Starscream GaGa wrote:It looks brilliant to me.

I (fortunately) did not waste my money on the unofficial overpriced trash that was PE's Rumble and Frenzy so having a proper representation of the Cassete brothers in the Classics line is excellent for me.

That's dumb.

What do you know if they are trash or not? You didn't buy them, so your opinion is just hyperbole in support of your decision/justification to go the less expensive route.

You may not like the look of the Perfect Effect figures, but calling them trash is straight up ignorant.

They're not trash because they look bad (which I do think they do) they're trash because they're $60 tiny pieces of plastic that were made to have people waste money on in order to profit from the success of somebody elsé's product. It's my opinion on 3rd Party Products as a whole. They're trash making money from a franchise they don't own. Not in the way of junk in a trashcan but because of how you refer to thieves as trash. In my opinion its stealing. Transformers is not their property and I don't think its right for them to be allowed to make figures in order to make money riding the surf of Transformer's earned success. I hope that makes sense, I don't think I'm wording it properly...

I know I'm a minority, but it irks me when people are passing by good official products like this figure because they've spent money on something that is not giving the profit to the company that actually owns the franchise. To me, its downright stealing.

I agree with you. That's exactly why I don't like the 3rd party stuff as well

I disagree with the thought here. Other than the iGear Mini-MP line, the Hasbro/Third Party relationship isn't love-hate. It isn't even one or the other. Even in the case of PE's not Rumble and not Frenzy. Id imagine PE made them to be our Neo-G1 Rumble and Frenzy that Hasbro had not made yet. But, since it was likely and Hasbro is putting out a Rumble/Frenzy mold, PE decided to make their figures have another purpose: to upgrade FP' City Commander which was made to upgrade an OFFICIAL Hasbro product. PE is pretty much doing this with their whole line.
My point is, the relationship is beneficial to both companies, and us, as fans. I think Hasbro realizes this and that is why they aren't crashing down on them.