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i really have no clue about the US legal system and why stuff like this happens, hell i have no clue about the UK legal system, but thats because they are even more retarded over here and listen to the 3% of the population that sits on their arses and do nothing but whine about almost everything that isn't done in a certain way, hell they whine if you sneeze in the wrong direction.

anyroad, i hate to be a killjoy, but i had toys with lead paint in them, i handled and worked with lead metal miniatures (games workshop) and i've had nothing serioulsy detrimental happen to me. i stuck toys in my mouth when i was a kid, held onto them with my teeth whilst getting something else, and i;ve not had anything happen to me.

personally it not the fault of the parents, its more down to the media and the manufacturers. the media for all the bloody scaremongering that they do when something "catastrophic" or "harmful" happens, and the manufacturers for not holding tighter QC on their overseas factories

Kaiser Convoy wrote:i really have no clue about the US legal system and why stuff like this happens, hell i have no clue about the UK legal system, but thats because they are even more retarded over here and listen to the 3% of the population that sits on their arses and do nothing but whine about almost everything that isn't done in a certain way, hell they whine if you sneeze in the wrong direction.

anyroad, i hate to be a killjoy, but i had toys with lead paint in them, i handled and worked with lead metal miniatures (games workshop) and i've had nothing serioulsy detrimental happen to me. i stuck toys in my mouth when i was a kid, held onto them with my teeth whilst getting something else, and i;ve not had anything happen to me.

My mom used to be a QC and she said it was unreal the amount of mistakes and shotty things that she viewed and sometimes the boss would say ship it anyway.
personally it not the fault of the parents, its more down to the media and the manufacturers. the media for all the bloody scaremongering that they do when something "catastrophic" or "harmful" happens, and the manufacturers for not holding tighter QC on their overseas factories

Kaiser Convoy wrote:i really have no clue about the US legal system and why stuff like this happens, hell i have no clue about the UK legal system, but thats because they are even more retarded over here and listen to the 3% of the population that sits on their arses and do nothing but whine about almost everything that isn't done in a certain way, hell they whine if you sneeze in the wrong direction.

anyroad, i hate to be a killjoy, but i had toys with lead paint in them, i handled and worked with lead metal miniatures (games workshop) and i've had nothing serioulsy detrimental happen to me. i stuck toys in my mouth when i was a kid, held onto them with my teeth whilst getting something else, and i;ve not had anything happen to me.

personally it not the fault of the parents, its more down to the media and the manufacturers. the media for all the bloody scaremongering that they do when something "catastrophic" or "harmful" happens, and the manufacturers for not holding tighter QC on their overseas factories

nemesis-prime wrote:My mom used to be a QC and she said it was unreal the amount of mistakes and shotty things that she viewed and sometimes the boss would say ship it anyway.

was that what you meant to write?? lol

Mkall wrote:I wonder if this explains BBTS's recent warning?

BBTS wrote:Safety Warning: This Product is for Adult Collectors. It may contain sharp points, small parts that are choking hazards, and other elements that are not suitable for children under 16 years of age.

If it is, it means BBTS think that they might get sued by parents if the toys are tested later.

Funny usually laws like this are made to give the public a sense of feeling that their government is doing something to help and protect them, but its all for show and they never follow through with it and enforce it.

The only thing to come from unenforceable laws like this are law suits...

which means someone gets hurt and another walks away with a huge wad of cash and their face in the paper for a few weeks - but bragging rights that get overused

Kaiser Convoy wrote:

Kaiser Convoy wrote:i really have no clue about the US legal system and why stuff like this happens, hell i have no clue about the UK legal system, but thats because they are even more retarded over here and listen to the 3% of the population that sits on their arses and do nothing but whine about almost everything that isn't done in a certain way, hell they whine if you sneeze in the wrong direction.

anyroad, i hate to be a killjoy, but i had toys with lead paint in them, i handled and worked with lead metal miniatures (games workshop) and i've had nothing serioulsy detrimental happen to me. i stuck toys in my mouth when i was a kid, held onto them with my teeth whilst getting something else, and i;ve not had anything happen to me.

personally it not the fault of the parents, its more down to the media and the manufacturers. the media for all the bloody scaremongering that they do when something "catastrophic" or "harmful" happens, and the manufacturers for not holding tighter QC on their overseas factories

nemesis-prime wrote:My mom used to be a QC and she said it was unreal the amount of mistakes and shotty things that she viewed and sometimes the boss would say ship it anyway.

was that what you meant to write?? lol

yes i was just stating stuff gets shipped anyway no matter way, suppliers arnt just gonna throw away inventory

Found this little tidbit sorting through the law:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtex ... =h110-4040

Sec105, 1, D, ii wrote:The term ‘retailer’ has the meaning given that term in section 3 of the Consumer Product Safety Act (15 U.S.C. 2052), but does not include an individual whose selling activity is intermittent and does not constitute a trade or business.

Sec201 a, a, 4 wrote:the efforts of the Commission to reach and educate retailers of second-hand products and informal sellers, such as thrift shops and yard sales, concerning consumer product safety rules and product recalls, especially those relating to durable nursery products, in order to prevent the resale of any products that have been recalled, including the development of educational materials for distribution not later than 1 year after the date of enactment of this Act.

So it looks like second-hand merchandise may not be banned, but the government will see to their "education" whatever that means. Also it looks like if you're only selling stuff on ebay unaffiliated with a business, you should be all right. Unless you're selling stuff that's suposed to have been recalled.

I think

FP&C'ed

wow they are goin outta the way to make new laws anymore arent they....... that is smart in a way to prevent lead poisoning but cmon

It's times like this I wish I could point out everything wrong with humanity in general, but that would take years.

I'm surprised that there are still toys with lead in them.

Agent 007 wrote:lame, now quick we gotta form a tf underground railroad!

We can start with H-O-S Optimus Prime...

ok, not that funny, but still.

This is retarded [no offense intended].

All this is is a way to generate more revenue for the american government and its patron saints, the lobbyists.

This will only make someone put some "LEAD" in some government ass. LOL

It's not going to affect us as a collector. Plus BBTS was thier every product has a safety warning that says "not suitable for children under 16 years of age."

I mean so what, the toy has be tested, big deal. It has happened before.

It's very interesting to see how the US works anymore. This is supposedly a democracy (or a representative republic, according to the Constitution) in which the majority should rule. However, what we are finding more and more is that it is not the majority that rules, but the MINORITY. One example: several states put up votes on gay marriage...which to me is really a non-issue, but the governments felt that the people should choose. The people voted and the majority ruled in those cases. However, the MINORITY proceeded to get the law changed in their favor or altered DESPITE the majority vote. Now I am using this only as an example; gay rights, like I said, are a non-issue for me...6 of one, half dozen of the other as far as I'm concerned. I don't want to get in the middle of it. This lead paint thing is another of these situations where a SMALL minority of the toys used these paints. I'm all for safety but is anyone really aware 1) how much lead it takes to have an adverse affect on a human being and 2) how relatively LITTLE exposure this is? There are ZERO news reports about kids being affected by this...just that lead was found in the paint! This would be another case where, if properly researched numbers were to come out to the public and they were allowed to actually vote on it, the majority would vote the law down...and then it would promptly be overturned by the minority.

Pathetic, really. This could conceivably be a MAJOR economic blow, especially to people who sell these for a living (and it is a major market). THe small business lobbies have to be spinning in their seats right now.

This is sad. Why target the sellers and consumers? We don't need this law, we need reliable and thorough quality control in the manufacturing process.

i_amtrunks wrote:

Mkall wrote:I wonder if this explains BBTS's recent warning?

BBTS wrote:Safety Warning: This Product is for Adult Collectors. It may contain sharp points, small parts that are choking hazards, and other elements that are not suitable for children under 16 years of age.

If it is, it means BBTS think that they might get sued by parents if the toys are tested later.

Funny usually laws like this are made to give the public a sense of feeling that their government is doing something to help and protect them, but its all for show and they never follow through with it and enforce it.

The only thing to come from unenforceable laws like this are law suits...

I tend to agree. I think the U.S. Government is going to cave on this law and requirements for resellers, the same way they are caving right now on the terms they setup for retailers with toys and clothes. The terminology is too broad and unenforceable. They are also too costly and prohibitive. Can you imagine how many laboratories there need to be in order test all the potential clothes and toys in the U.S. for each reseller? There would be a back log of testing for months and months.

I don't see them going after small resellers. In fact, the terms above state that most eBay sellers are excluded from the term "reseller". However, with all of that said, I wouldn't put it past eBay to come up with some new ridiculous rule that makes it difficult to sell toys.

Its all a bit daft.

If we are talking G1 toys containing lead and I dont know if they do or not. These a mostly sold/bought by collectors and I dont know many collectors that would hunt down a G1 Smokescreen just so he could give it a good lick.

Laws have to be enforcable.

This will never fly.

You guys are too jumpy.

::kicks dirt at reactive legislation::

They want to enforce this with flee markets and yard sales?

Hey, all the more luck to 'em .

Glad I sold off the majority of my collection on eBay already. This is stupid.

I would just start posting on eBay CANADA to get around the issue, but US customs may confiscate the parcel once it tries to cross the border once inspected.

I really think the US government has more pressing issues than this to deal with don't you?

Counterpunch wrote:Laws have to be enforcable.

This will never fly.

You guys are too jumpy.

::kicks dirt at reactive legislation::

Yeah you would think in a day and age when we have starvation and poverty and all kinds of wars and crazy crap happening that the govt would worry a lil less that (insert name) is trying to eek out a meager existence by selling old stuff at a flea market or in his eBay store seriously wtf!!!

well im gonna sell stuff untill i get some kind of notice to stop, i might have to stop shipping to canada thou

DOn't they have anything better to do than to come up with stupid restrictions like this? I understand the part about lead in new toys, but come on.