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[OptimusN1701]

Although the last episode does seem more like an episode of TNG than Enterprise, and the way they killed off Trip just for the hell of it was dissapointing.

That's why the finale was one of my favorite episodes from that series

[Insurgent]

Please, tell me. It's been a while since I watched TNG fully, I am relegated to my favourite eps on tape (and series 6 boxset). Data definatly grew as a person. Watch Encounter at Farpoint, then All Good Things. You'll see the difference straight off. The only thing I can think of off the top of my head is Geordi loosing his mum. But I suppose it could be argued he did all of his mourning inbetween episodes.

Yeah, the messing of continuity was a bit off, what with the dreaded retcons, but if you ignore the messing and take it as it's own series, it was actually good.

Well to begin with ,the 1 you mention with Picard and the Borg, being forced to kill friends and co-workers should have effected him on a personal level a bit longer then 1 episode and there most have been more people like Sisko who held him responceable...how come we never see any of them it should have also had a inpact on his carrear...even if only to see 1 pissed off admaril. Deanna Troi's son dieing ,I know he was only alive for a few days but stil it should have effected her a bit longer, LaForge being kidnaped and brain washed into a killer should have changed his outlook on life for a while at least.
I know these events wouldnt effect the crew at large but it should have effect each of these characters on a personal level

All valid points. I don't see how getting assimilated would impact his career, other than what they did in First Contact and try to keep him away from the Borg. He was kidnapped and turned into one of them afterall. It would have been nice if a captain turned up in series 5 or 6, intent on getting revenge on Picard for the death of his family, friends and crew. That could have been a really powerful and emotional episode that could explore just how responsible people are for their actions. And he did get his anger and edge in the other episodes when the Borg reapeared. What about bluntly calling for their mass execution with that virus in I Borg?

As for the others, you're right. It should have affected them more than the episode it happened in. But it could be said they did their grieving/changing outlook of life/etc offscreen inbetween the episodes, and they keep these things bottled up and only have a weep in private. Of course, this doesn't make for good storytelling, but it's an explaination. Although Troi's son didn't actually die, he just sort of 'evolved' into the creature's natural gas state, and she knew he was still alive and out exploring the galaxy somewhere. Goodbye's are never as emotional as deaths.

And I think it was a smart move not to show the Battle of Wolf 359 in Best of Both Worlds. Firstly, the Enterprise wasn't there, Secondly, it let our minds fill in the horror of just how powerful one of these ships are and what kind of weapons they were using, and Thirdly, it let DS9 have a hell of an opening.

[Wheeljack35]

I love this ending it was the best thing I had ever seen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXotJu1CapU

I have to admit though I hated how they changed history for this show

I go by or used to go by the Star Trek Encyclopedia but that can be thrown in the garbage now

I also hate how the Enterprise-NX looks more updated for a ship built 100 years before the NCC-1701 was built.

Here are some of my faorite epidodes from each

TOS:

Amok Time
Space Seed


TNG:

Yesterdays Enterprise
Reunification
oh the one that Scotty was on
and almost any episode involving Klingons and the Borg

DS9:

Trails and Tribblations

God I loved that

Voyager:

PASS

Enterprise:

The one were finally found out why the Klingons didn't have the bumps on there heads

The Defiant running wild with Archer as its Captain taken over the empire

[Moonbase2]

I agree that both Amok Time and Space Seed are great TOS episodes. We also have that infamous blooper in Amok Time to enjoy, you know, the one where Spock is supposed to be deep in Pan Far or whatever, and he's casually leaning on the wall. Hilairous.

My favorite episode of TOS is Journey to Babel. LOVE IT! The best episodes of DS9 are In the Pale Moonlight, Wrongs Darker than Death or Night, and The Wire. Trials and Tribblelations is also very good.

Voyager is so meh I don't have a favorite episode.

[Wheeljack35]

DS9 was good I was just having fun with Sto_vo_kor

But it was Voyager that made my interest in Trek wane

[Moonbase2]

DS9 was good I was just having fun with Sto_vo_kor

But it was Voyager that made my interest in Trek wane

It really is bad, isn't it? I did give it a fair shot. I remember a bad episode where the Vulcan was in pan far (how do you spell it??) and Belanna (however you spell THAT mess) went into some mating urge. Oh how cringingly bad!

[Wheeljack35]

I couldn't stand the Kazon the Klingon wanna be's

I hated how they ran into everybody with different foreheads but somehow everbody spoke english

Their universal translators had only Federation and its neighbors languages in its database How did it have alien races that no nothing of the Federation

I did like species 8472 though Finally true looking aliens

[OptimusN1701]

The one with Scotty was Relics
the one with the Defiant was in a mirror darkly

I liked all of the TNG eps you listed plus these

Time's Arrow
Chain of Command (David Warner was a great Cardassian and Picard's torture was done very well, especially with the Orwellian element in it)
Data's Day
All Good Things...(THE best episode ever. this was the only TNG episode I watched When it was originally aired and led to me loving Star Trek)
Tapestry
Best of Both Worlds
Déjà Q
And a host of others whose names escape me

DS9

Q-less
The Die is Cast
In Purgatory's Shadow
By Inferno's Light

[Moonbase2]

Do you guys remember the DS9 episode "Let He Who is Without Sin"? It's the one where Worf and Dax go to Risa? One of the worse Trek eps of all time!

[Wheeljack35]

Do you guys remember the DS9 episode "Let He Who is Without Sin"? It's the one where Worf and Dax go to Risa? One of the worse Trek eps of all time!

I consider that a "filler" episode because they didn't want to show the war all the time

[Insurgent]

My fav eps are:

TOS
Space Seed. Loved the way that carried into the second movie, and they even got Ricardo Montalban to reprise his role.
The Doomsday Machine. Or whatever the one is with the Constellation and that long blue doomsday weapon horn.
Trouble with Tribbles.
Balance of Terror.
Mirror Mirror.

TNG
All good things.
Anything with Borg or Q in. That includes the DS9 ep with Q, but somehow, Voyager made him less fun. I didn't like Voyager Q.
Relics.
Chain of Command. THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!!! Loved it.
Yesterday's Enterprise.
Redemption. And a couple more.

DS9: Too many to choose from.

Voyager: Year of Hell.
Scorpion.
Futures End. Even if they did forget about Khan's little world war at that point in history.
Prey.
Dark Frontier. I just wish they had Alice Krige playing the Queen then. It would have made that episode near perfect.

Enterprise: All of series 3 nearly. Minus the odd episode like the one with the telepathic alien that wants to keep Hoshi.
The mirror universe ones. Tieing it into The Tholian Web from TOS was a nice touch as well.

[Moonbase2]

Personally I thought Q-Less was pretty darn bad. But I'm not a Q fan. In Pergatory's Light is great. I also like Things Past. Basically anything with Garak makes me happy. Chimera is a great ep (the one with the other shapeshifter named Laas, played by General Martok's actor) and so is Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges or whatever that's called. Oh, and the one where Odo works with that baby changeling. I love Odo eps.

[OptimusN1701]

Personally I thought Q-Less was pretty darn bad. But I'm not a Q fan. In Pergatory's Light is great. I also like Things Past. Basically anything with Garak makes me happy. Chimera is a great ep (the one with the other shapeshifter named Laas, played by General Martok's actor) and so is Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges or whatever that's called. Oh, and the one where Odo works with that baby changeling. I love Odo eps.

Q has always been one of my favorite characters. He made a lot of episodes so much fun

[Wheeljack35]

Q would allways have me cracking up

Gene Luck Pikerd

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I don't see how getting assimilated would impact his career, other than what they did in First Contact and try to keep him away from the Borg. He was kidnapped and turned into one of them afterall.

My point being that just like what they did in First Contact, There should have been at least 1 Admiral at starfleet harbing some grudge against Picard....It cant be that the only Person that had any bad feelings twards Picard was benith him in Rank.There must have been someone in power that felt the same was as Sisko [as seen in First Contact sort of] that could have inpacted his career just a little.An other thing that should have made an inpact on his career was the lose of 2 ships onder his comand and the near destruction of a 3rd.It should have at least led to some questions to his competentancy.

It would have been nice if a captain turned up in series 5 or 6, intent on getting revenge on Picard for the death of his family, friends and crew. That could have been a really powerful and emotional episode that could explore just how responsible people are for their actions.

That would have been nice but it leads into what I was saying about the inpact it should have made to his career.......imagine it was someone with higher rank instead of an other Captain.Such a person could have ruin his career or reasigned him to some far away outpost.Maybe not a great story but a believeable one.

And he did get his anger and edge in the other episodes when the Borg reapeared. What about bluntly calling for their mass execution with that virus in I Borg?

That was nothing compaired to his obsession with their destruction in First Contact, witch was much more believeable then then his actions in I Borg.It was like he grew a pair in First Contact......he was almost a pu$$y in I Borg.......thats why I say the writters learned from DS9.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

DS9 was good I was just having fun with Sto_vo_kor

But it was Voyager that made my interest in Trek wane

Shame on you

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I couldn't stand the Kazon the Klingon wanna be's

I hated how they ran into everybody with different foreheads but somehow everbody spoke english

Their universal translators had only Federation and its neighbors languages in its database How did it have alien races that no nothing of the Federation

I did like species 8472 though Finally true looking aliens

The universal translator works by sensing and compairing brain wavesfrequencies then selecting comparable concepts to use as a basis for translation.Not by storing knowen languages in its database.

[Insurgent]

I think they could give him that extra mourderous rage in First Contact because it was a film, instead of a Prime Time tv show. They were allowed to go into darker territory. As for the loss of those ships, you raise a valid point. You would think someone would be asking if they really trusted Picard with a new one.

Although you would also think they would stop letting Troi drive. 3 times she was in command/at the helm, and each time the Enterprise crashed into something. The lass needs driving lessons.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I think they could give him that extra mourderous rage in First Contact because it was a film, instead of a Prime Time tv show. They were allowed to go into darker territory. As for the loss of those ships, you raise a valid point. You would think someone would be asking if they really trusted Picard with a new one.

Although you would also think they would stop letting Troi drive. 3 times she was in command/at the helm, and each time the Enterprise crashed into something. The lass needs driving lessons.

Maybe so but such "darker territory" stories were already in play on DS9 not to mention some of the other hints First Contact took from DS9, such as falling panels and smoke and fire on the bridge when ubder attack, Worf showing anger twards Picard and pretty much treating to kill him....leads me to believe that the writters were influance by DS9.

You said Troy crashed the ship 3 times but I only remember 2.......where was the 3rd?????????

[OptimusN1701]

I don't see how getting assimilated would impact his career, other than what they did in First Contact and try to keep him away from the Borg. He was kidnapped and turned into one of them afterall.

My point being that just like what they did in First Contact, There should have been at least 1 Admiral at starfleet harbing some grudge against Picard....It cant be that the only Person that had any bad feelings twards Picard was benith him in Rank.There must have been someone in power that felt the same was as Sisko [as seen in First Contact sort of] that could have inpacted his career just a little.An other thing that should have made an inpact on his career was the lose of 2 ships onder his comand and the near destruction of a 3rd.It should have at least led to some questions to his competentancy.

I personally think that his accomplishments have outshown things like these. Besides the incident with the Stargazer was a battle he won against a much larger vessel.

Riker was commanding the 1701-D when it was lost and that was only because the the Duras sisters had the shield codes through Geordi's visor

He was not at fault even if the 1701-E was to be destroyed because he took the E back through the temporal vortex to save the Earth

In this last case it was Starfleet's fault that it came to that as Picard's involvement was what turned the tide of the battle and saved the planet. And it could be argued that the Borg would have been stopped earlier if Picard was allowed to bring the E in from the beginning

His violating orders has saved the day more than once

[Wheeljack35]

I couldn't stand the Kazon the Klingon wanna be's

I hated how they ran into everybody with different foreheads but somehow everbody spoke english

Their universal translators had only Federation and its neighbors languages in its database How did it have alien races that no nothing of the Federation

I did like species 8472 though Finally true looking aliens

The universal translator works by sensing and compairing brain wavesfrequencies then selecting comparable concepts to use as a basis for translation.Not by storing knowen languages in its database.

Um yeah ok

I have no clue where and how you made that up

[Moonbase2]

In the episode "Metamorphosis" in TOS, Kirk and Spock build a universal translater to communicate with an entity made of pure energy. Kirk said it would pick up on the being's thoughts and translate the basic ideas into the proper grammar, etc. That's how they work.

[OptimusN1701]

I wish I had one of those things. It would make my life a helluva lot easier

[Wheeljack35]

In the episode "Metamorphosis" in TOS, Kirk and Spock build a universal translater to communicate with an entity made of pure energy. Kirk said it would pick up on the being's thoughts and translate the basic ideas into the proper grammar, etc. That's how they work.

I believe her

[Moonbase2]

In the episode "Metamorphosis" in TOS, Kirk and Spock build a universal translater to communicate with an entity made of pure energy. Kirk said it would pick up on the being's thoughts and translate the basic ideas into the proper grammar, etc. That's how they work.

I believe her

Well you should. I dipped into my well of knowledge to bring you that information.