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[OptimusN1701]

You said Troy crashed the ship 3 times but I only remember 2.......where was the 3rd?????????

The episode Disaster.
Generations.
Nemesis.

Okay, I know the helm was offline in Generations, and she was ordered to ram the ship in Nemesis, but it's just a little running joke I like that Troi crashes the ship everytime she drives it.


As for the whole Enterprprise A thing, I always figured the A was one of the last Constitution class ships that were under construction and they decided to rename it the A in honour of Kirk and the amount of times the original Enterprise had saved the day. It was decomishioned after only seven years because the technology in it had become obsolete due to the new Excelsior class becomming commonplace now, and having the flagship as such an old thing was not a very good public image. Perhaps they always intended for the next Enterprise to be an Excelsior class, but as the Excelsior itself was in the final testing phases, they just gave Kirk the old design until the new one was ready.

As for the NX, I always thought it was a bit weird how the suposadly inferior ship in terms of tech looked more advanced than Kirks LEGO brick bridge. The buttons did look like LEGO bricks when viewed from a wide shot.

Yay! someone who agrees with me

Although the NX does look like an upside down Akira, it is heavily modified from that design, The secondary hull and saucer impulse engines are gone. the deflector dish is where the supposed forward shuttlebay on the akira was and theres more but i gotta get to work, so i'll be back in 8 1/2 hours

[Wheeljack35]

I think I had read in the Encyclopedia that the Enterprise "A" was a starship by the name of Ti Ho that was renamed

I just didn't understand why in Star Trek 3 they thought the Enterprise was too old after is had gone a major refit only a few years before

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

You said Troy crashed the ship 3 times but I only remember 2.......where was the 3rd?????????

The episode Disaster.
Generations.
Nemesis.

Okay, I know the helm was offline in Generations, and she was ordered to ram the ship in Nemesis, but it's just a little running joke I like that Troi crashes the ship everytime she drives it..

Its been a long time since I've seen that episode but I dont think she was driving, She want even in command at the time of the crash,She asumed command after because she was the highest ranking officer at the time.

As for the whole Enterprprise A thing, I always figured the A was one of the last Constitution class ships that were under construction and they decided to rename it the A in honour of Kirk and the amount of times the original Enterprise had saved the day. It was decomishioned after only seven years because the technology in it had become obsolete due to the new Excelsior class becomming commonplace now, and having the flagship as such an old thing was not a very good public image. Perhaps they always intended for the next Enterprise to be an Excelsior class, but as the Excelsior itself was in the final testing phases, they just gave Kirk the old design until the new one was ready..

But why would an other Constitution class ship named Yorktown be under construction when there was already one of the same class in service??????

As for the NX, I always thought it was a bit weird how the suposadly inferior ship in terms of tech looked more advanced than Kirks LEGO brick bridge. The buttons did look like LEGO bricks when viewed from a wide shot.

LEGO Star Trek b,kool

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I think I had read in the Encyclopedia that the Enterprise "A" was a starship by the name of Ti Ho that was renamed

I just didn't understand why in Star Trek 3 they thought the Enterprise was too old after is had gone a major refit only a few years before

I posted scans from the ST Encyclopedia earlyer....according to the book ,and if you can trust Gene Rodenberry,The Enterprise A was a rename of the Yorktown....wether or not it is the same Yorktown that was already in service is the real question.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Well I search my closet of Star Trek books for some thing to end the debate of weter or not the Enterprise A was a new ship or not and I found it.........that is if you are inclined to believe Paramont.The put out a series of Star Trek magazine's back in 1999 and as far as I'm conserned its offical.Here are some scans that I had to pease together because it didnt fit in my scanner.





Now it doesnt say witch ship it was but it says that it was already in service so that means its not a newly built ship.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

A closer look.

[OptimusN1701]

Hmm, then I guess the idea that it was just undergoing a massive repair jib makes the most sense to me now

Still though, the possibility of it being a new ship that was operational, but had not undergone a shakedown is possible. If I recall Kirk took her on a shakedown and had to limp it back to spacedock because there were major problems though

This would all be so much easier if we were given a timeframe for Kirks return, the trial, and him getting command of the A.

It all seems to take place in the course of a couple of weeks

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Hmm, then I guess the idea that it was just undergoing a massive repair jib makes the most sense to me now

Still though, the possibility of it being a new ship that was operational, but had not undergone a shakedown is possible. If I recall Kirk took her on a shakedown and had to limp it back to spacedock because there were major problems though

This would all be so much easier if we were given a timeframe for Kirks return, the trial, and him getting command of the A.

It all seems to take place in the course of a couple of weeks

According to the Encyclopedia Star Trek 4 was in the year 2286 and ST5 was in the year 2287 but it doesnt say in what months......so its hard to tell just how long it really was.

[OptimusN1701]

The Encyclopedia entry you posted said that Scotty was performing shakedown tests and installing systems for an indeterminate amount of time within that year

To me it doesnt make sense to put it through shakedowns and install additional equipment(Which could have been a retrofit I'll admit) on an existing vessel. The ship seemed fairly operational at the end of ST 4, and suffering major malfunctions seems more likely of a new untested shipb

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

The Encyclopedia entry you posted said that Scotty was performing shakedown tests and installing systems for an indeterminate amount of time within that year

To me it doesnt make sense to put it through shakedowns and install additional equipment(Which could have been a retrofit I'll admit) on an existing vessel. The ship seemed fairly operational at the end of ST 4, and suffering major malfunctions seems more likely of a new untested shipb

Remember the Yorktown was heavly damaged by the probe......the ships engineir had to gut all systems to make a solor sail just to keep them alive.....even the Kligons LOST a few ships from the probe.And we dont know how much time past after the returned from 1986 and the renaming of the ship.But I would guess it was no longer then 2 or 3 weeks,due to the fact that they wanted to put an end to the Klingon Ambasssador bikering and wanted to thank Kirk and his crew prometly.
I doubt that with all of earths power systems down,and every ship and station that the probe passed by disabled that Star Fleet had the time or the manpower to comit to a full repair job on the Yorktown.
And the script for ST5 claims that just after the Enterprise A entered warp at the end of ST4 the ship started to malfunction.

[OptimusN1701]

The Encyclopedia entry you posted said that Scotty was performing shakedown tests and installing systems for an indeterminate amount of time within that year

To me it doesnt make sense to put it through shakedowns and install additional equipment(Which could have been a retrofit I'll admit) on an existing vessel. The ship seemed fairly operational at the end of ST 4, and suffering major malfunctions seems more likely of a new untested shipb

Remember the Yorktown was heavly damaged by the probe......the ships engineir had to gut all systems to make a solor sail just to keep them alive.....even the Kligons LOST a few ships from the probe.And we dont know how much time past after the returned from 1986 and the renaming of the ship.But I would guess it was no longer then 2 or 3 weeks,due to the fact that they wanted to put an end to the Klingon Ambasssador bikering and wanted to thank Kirk and his crew prometly.
I doubt that with all of earths power systems down,and every ship and station that the probe passed by disabled that Star Fleet had the time or the manpower to comit to a full repair job on the Yorktown.
And the script for ST5 claims that just after the Enterprise A entered warp at the end of ST4 the ship started to malfunction.

And I wondered why the Klingons referred to the first Enterprise as garbage in TOS

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

The Encyclopedia entry you posted said that Scotty was performing shakedown tests and installing systems for an indeterminate amount of time within that year

To me it doesnt make sense to put it through shakedowns and install additional equipment(Which could have been a retrofit I'll admit) on an existing vessel. The ship seemed fairly operational at the end of ST 4, and suffering major malfunctions seems more likely of a new untested shipb

Remember the Yorktown was heavly damaged by the probe......the ships engineir had to gut all systems to make a solor sail just to keep them alive.....even the Kligons LOST a few ships from the probe.And we dont know how much time past after the returned from 1986 and the renaming of the ship.But I would guess it was no longer then 2 or 3 weeks,due to the fact that they wanted to put an end to the Klingon Ambasssador bikering and wanted to thank Kirk and his crew prometly.
I doubt that with all of earths power systems down,and every ship and station that the probe passed by disabled that Star Fleet had the time or the manpower to comit to a full repair job on the Yorktown.
And the script for ST5 claims that just after the Enterprise A entered warp at the end of ST4 the ship started to malfunction.

And I wondered why the Klingons referred to the first Enterprise as garbage in TOS

HAHA

An other reason to believe that it was an older ship that was malfunctioning was that the A had all touch-interfaces in St5. The problems could be linked to the fact that the ships systems were not designed to work with all touch-interfaces.
By ST6 some of the consoles on the bridge were fitted with physical dials and gauges.

[OptimusN1701]

The Encyclopedia entry you posted said that Scotty was performing shakedown tests and installing systems for an indeterminate amount of time within that year

To me it doesnt make sense to put it through shakedowns and install additional equipment(Which could have been a retrofit I'll admit) on an existing vessel. The ship seemed fairly operational at the end of ST 4, and suffering major malfunctions seems more likely of a new untested shipb

Remember the Yorktown was heavly damaged by the probe......the ships engineir had to gut all systems to make a solor sail just to keep them alive.....even the Kligons LOST a few ships from the probe.And we dont know how much time past after the returned from 1986 and the renaming of the ship.But I would guess it was no longer then 2 or 3 weeks,due to the fact that they wanted to put an end to the Klingon Ambasssador bikering and wanted to thank Kirk and his crew prometly.
I doubt that with all of earths power systems down,and every ship and station that the probe passed by disabled that Star Fleet had the time or the manpower to comit to a full repair job on the Yorktown.
And the script for ST5 claims that just after the Enterprise A entered warp at the end of ST4 the ship started to malfunction.

And I wondered why the Klingons referred to the first Enterprise as garbage in TOS

HAHA

An other reason to believe that it was an older ship that was malfunctioning was that the A had all touch-interfaces in St5. The problems could be linked to the fact that the ships systems were not designed to work with all touch-interfaces.
By ST6 some of the consoles on the bridge were fitted with physical dials and gauges.

On Memory Alpha it says that this was done because that's just what the director wanted, but it makes a good explanation.

A very good explanation indeed.

I think we should just agree that she was a great ship

[Moonbase2]

I've been squeezed out of the thread because I don't know squat about the ships!

Perhaps I can BS my way thru....eh, maybe not.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

The Encyclopedia entry you posted said that Scotty was performing shakedown tests and installing systems for an indeterminate amount of time within that year

To me it doesnt make sense to put it through shakedowns and install additional equipment(Which could have been a retrofit I'll admit) on an existing vessel. The ship seemed fairly operational at the end of ST 4, and suffering major malfunctions seems more likely of a new untested shipb

Remember the Yorktown was heavly damaged by the probe......the ships engineir had to gut all systems to make a solor sail just to keep them alive.....even the Kligons LOST a few ships from the probe.And we dont know how much time past after the returned from 1986 and the renaming of the ship.But I would guess it was no longer then 2 or 3 weeks,due to the fact that they wanted to put an end to the Klingon Ambasssador bikering and wanted to thank Kirk and his crew prometly.
I doubt that with all of earths power systems down,and every ship and station that the probe passed by disabled that Star Fleet had the time or the manpower to comit to a full repair job on the Yorktown.
And the script for ST5 claims that just after the Enterprise A entered warp at the end of ST4 the ship started to malfunction.

And I wondered why the Klingons referred to the first Enterprise as garbage in TOS

HAHA

An other reason to believe that it was an older ship that was malfunctioning was that the A had all touch-interfaces in St5. The problems could be linked to the fact that the ships systems were not designed to work with all touch-interfaces.
By ST6 some of the consoles on the bridge were fitted with physical dials and gauges.

On Memory Alpha it says that this was done because that's just what the director wanted, but it makes a good explanation.

A very good explanation indeed.

I think we should just agree that she was a great ship

Thats fine......I was just having fun talking Trek with someone who knows what I'm talking about.

[OptimusN1701]

It's pretty much over
I see Sto_'s point

Now lets talk about the weapons

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I've been squeezed out of the thread because I don't know squat about the ships!

Perhaps I can BS my way thru....eh, maybe not.

You can squeezee your self in anytime babe

[OptimusN1701]

The Encyclopedia entry you posted said that Scotty was performing shakedown tests and installing systems for an indeterminate amount of time within that year

To me it doesnt make sense to put it through shakedowns and install additional equipment(Which could have been a retrofit I'll admit) on an existing vessel. The ship seemed fairly operational at the end of ST 4, and suffering major malfunctions seems more likely of a new untested shipb

Remember the Yorktown was heavly damaged by the probe......the ships engineir had to gut all systems to make a solor sail just to keep them alive.....even the Kligons LOST a few ships from the probe.And we dont know how much time past after the returned from 1986 and the renaming of the ship.But I would guess it was no longer then 2 or 3 weeks,due to the fact that they wanted to put an end to the Klingon Ambasssador bikering and wanted to thank Kirk and his crew prometly.
I doubt that with all of earths power systems down,and every ship and station that the probe passed by disabled that Star Fleet had the time or the manpower to comit to a full repair job on the Yorktown.
And the script for ST5 claims that just after the Enterprise A entered warp at the end of ST4 the ship started to malfunction.

And I wondered why the Klingons referred to the first Enterprise as garbage in TOS

HAHA

An other reason to believe that it was an older ship that was malfunctioning was that the A had all touch-interfaces in St5. The problems could be linked to the fact that the ships systems were not designed to work with all touch-interfaces.
By ST6 some of the consoles on the bridge were fitted with physical dials and gauges.

On Memory Alpha it says that this was done because that's just what the director wanted, but it makes a good explanation.

A very good explanation indeed.

I think we should just agree that she was a great ship

Thats fine......I was just having fun talking Trek with someone who knows what I'm talking about.

Fear not, for there is always more to talk about where Trek is concerned

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

It's pretty much over
I see Sto_'s point

Now lets talk about the weapons

Like???????????

[OptimusN1701]

It's pretty much over
I see Sto_'s point

Now lets talk about the weapons

Like???????????

Ur favorite Phaser design? idk i just kinda threw it out there

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

It's pretty much over
I see Sto_'s point

Now lets talk about the weapons

Like???????????

Ur favorite Phaser design? idk i just kinda threw it out there

If your talking about hand held weapons I always was rather fond of TOS type 2 phaser and the Kligon disruptor from TNG and on.

[OptimusN1701]

yea, handhelds

Mine are the ST 5-6 Type 2 and the Type 3 rifle from First Contact

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

yea, handhelds

Mine are the ST 5-6 Type 2 and the Type 3 rifle from First Contact

Those were a throw back design to TOS

[OptimusN1701]

yea, handhelds

Mine are the ST 5-6 Type 2 and the Type 3 rifle from First Contact

Those were a throw back design to TOS

The ones from search for spock and voyage home were

These ones were black and looked more gun-like

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

yea, handhelds

Mine are the ST 5-6 Type 2 and the Type 3 rifle from First Contact

Those were a throw back design to TOS

The ones from search for spock and voyage home were

These ones were black and looked more gun-like

They all looked like guns but I see your point ....here's a scan for you.......