The Energon Pub

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I couldn't stand the Kazon the Klingon wanna be's

I hated how they ran into everybody with different foreheads but somehow everbody spoke english

Their universal translators had only Federation and its neighbors languages in its database How did it have alien races that no nothing of the Federation

I did like species 8472 though Finally true looking aliens

The universal translator works by sensing and compairing brain wavesfrequencies then selecting comparable concepts to use as a basis for translation.Not by storing knowen languages in its database.

Um yeah ok

I have no clue where and how you made that up

Most of it was explained in TOS episode "Metamorphosis" where we meet for the first time Zefram Cochrane and they use the universal translator for the first time.They go into more detail on how it works in the DS9 episode "Sanctuary"
You can also find out for your self reading the Star Trek Encyclopedia...and unlike the Ultimate guide that book only sites facts from the shows and dosnt try to rewrite anything.
If you like I can post a scan.

And I never make thing up.

Old News we straightend this out yesterday

I know I just read all the pages......but to let you know I only open my mouth when I know what I'm saying........I dont pretend to know every thing [Like some other people that shall remain nameless] but when I do enter a conversation my facts are almost always on point

[Wheeljack35]

Ok calm down i'm only messing witch ya

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Ok calm down i'm only messing witch ya

I'm fine thats why I put a on that post.......I try not to get upset while online

[OptimusN1701]

Your think about the wrong movie.........I was talking about how the Enterprise E was almost destroued under his command in ST Nemisus.

Ooops! We were talking about Fisrt Contact before so I thought you were referencing that one

With Nemesis he was outgunned and on a mission SFC sent him on. They should have sent at least another ship with him if possible, if not a couple of cloaked Vorchas as backup just in case. Even as a "gesture of peace" it's stupid to send your flagship to a possible enemy's homeworld without an escort. I would saw that he fought quite admirably given the odds, and saw raming the Scimitar as the last, best option to stop the ship.

There may very well be one or two of the top brass who would want to reprimand him and be pissed, but they and the rest of SFC must realize they would be dead without this man captaining a ship in the same regards Kirk was only demoted back to captain, which is what he wanted, and gave him a brand new ship when he got back in The Voyage Home

It wasnt a brand new ship.......It was the U.S.S. Yourtown refitted and renamed.And I see your point,I'm not saying that I thought he was a bad Captain......I thought Picard was great......I just thought it was weird that none of these events ever seemed to amount to a hill of beans ....were it on DS9 at least something would have been said that seemed like a repamand.

It's enclycolpedia time Sto_ if I remember correctly, it was a brand new ship intended to be the new Yorktown that the decided to slap the Enterprise's name on and give it to Kirk

Now time to go find that damned book

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Your think about the wrong movie.........I was talking about how the Enterprise E was almost destroued under his command in ST Nemisus.

Ooops! We were talking about Fisrt Contact before so I thought you were referencing that one

With Nemesis he was outgunned and on a mission SFC sent him on. They should have sent at least another ship with him if possible, if not a couple of cloaked Vorchas as backup just in case. Even as a "gesture of peace" it's stupid to send your flagship to a possible enemy's homeworld without an escort. I would saw that he fought quite admirably given the odds, and saw raming the Scimitar as the last, best option to stop the ship.

There may very well be one or two of the top brass who would want to reprimand him and be pissed, but they and the rest of SFC must realize they would be dead without this man captaining a ship in the same regards Kirk was only demoted back to captain, which is what he wanted, and gave him a brand new ship when he got back in The Voyage Home

It wasnt a brand new ship.......It was the U.S.S. Yourtown refitted and renamed.And I see your point,I'm not saying that I thought he was a bad Captain......I thought Picard was great......I just thought it was weird that none of these events ever seemed to amount to a hill of beans ....were it on DS9 at least something would have been said that seemed like a repamand.

It's enclycolpedia time Sto_ if I remember correctly, it was a brand new ship intended to be the new Yorktown that the decided to slap the Enterprise's name on and give it to Kirk

Now time to go find that damned book

Dont bother I have mine right here ......here are some scans



Now althou they suggest that there may have been a new ship under construction it doesnt make sence.....first there was already a Constitution class star ship with the name Yorktown in service so why build an other of the same class also why build any Constitution class star ship's in the first place......the design was over 75 years old,if they were building a New ship from scrach they would have made it an Excelsoor class,Constellation Class [already in service] or a Miranda class starships

[OptimusN1701]

Good, I couldn't find in in my crawl space, too afraid of spiders

Yes, the initial design was old, but that does not rule out it being a new ship, look at how long-lived the Miranda class is,

The way that the A is designed internally would suggest that a MAJOR overhaul would need to be done to make it the A. They would have had to recover the vessel, and then gut the hell out of it to make it the A. If you remember the bridge looked exactly like the 1701 refit and was probably refir entirely in this fasion
this does not seem probable given the apparent short amount of time that took place between Kirk's return and the A's launch.

older designs are highly reliable, so that is one reason to build a new Constitution class. Also at its time, the Excelsior class would not be practical to mass produce as it was still a prototype test ship until ST VI. The Miranda and Constellation could not serve the heavy cruiser roll that would be left vacant if the Constitution were to be done away with. therefore, the most combat effective ship to produce would have been the Constitution class. It also showcased many new technological advancements

The shittiness of the ship's systems in ST V could be viewed as either a rushed refit, but more likely the result of errors in the new design aspects of the ship

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Good, I couldn't find in in my crawl space, too afraid of spiders

Yes, the initial design was old, but that does not rule out it being a new ship, look at how long-lived the Miranda class is,

The way that the A is designed internally would suggest that a MAJOR overhaul would need to be done to make it the A. They would have had to recover the vessel, and then gut the hell out of it to make it the A. If you remember the bridge looked exactly like the 1701 refit and was probably refir entirely in this fasion
this does not seem probable given the apparent short amount of time that took place between Kirk's return and the A's launch.

older designs are highly reliable, so that is one reason to build a new Constitution class. Also at its time, the Excelsior class would not be practical to mass produce as it was still a prototype test ship until ST VI. The Miranda and Constellation could not serve the heavy cruiser roll that would be left vacant if the Constitution were to be done away with. therefore, the most combat effective ship to produce would have been the Constitution class. It also showcased many new technological advancements

The shittiness of the ship's systems in ST V could be viewed as either a rushed refit, but more likely the result of errors in the new design aspects of the ship

The Yorktown in service was already refited... all Constitution class starships in service were refitted by the time of the wrath of Kahn.........at least thats what Rodenberry said.And the Constellation class was a "heavy cruiser" it was the same class as the Stargazer.
And the Bridge was completly different by the next movie.Also if it was a newly built ship then why was it scheduled decommissioned by the time of "THE UNDDISCOVERED COUNTRY" if what you suggest is right ,the ship would have only been 7 years old.....that would have been a total wast of time and man power to decommission a new ship.

[OptimusN1701]

Good, I couldn't find in in my crawl space, too afraid of spiders

Yes, the initial design was old, but that does not rule out it being a new ship, look at how long-lived the Miranda class is,

The way that the A is designed internally would suggest that a MAJOR overhaul would need to be done to make it the A. They would have had to recover the vessel, and then gut the hell out of it to make it the A. If you remember the bridge looked exactly like the 1701 refit and was probably refir entirely in this fasion
this does not seem probable given the apparent short amount of time that took place between Kirk's return and the A's launch.

older designs are highly reliable, so that is one reason to build a new Constitution class. Also at its time, the Excelsior class would not be practical to mass produce as it was still a prototype test ship until ST VI. The Miranda and Constellation could not serve the heavy cruiser roll that would be left vacant if the Constitution were to be done away with. therefore, the most combat effective ship to produce would have been the Constitution class. It also showcased many new technological advancements

The shittiness of the ship's systems in ST V could be viewed as either a rushed refit, but more likely the result of errors in the new design aspects of the ship

The Yorktown in service was already refited... all Constitution class starships in service were refitted by the time of the wrath of Kahn.........at least thats what Rodenberry said.And the Constellation class was a "heavy cruiser" it was the same class as the Stargazer.
And the Bridge was completly different by the next movie.Also if it was a newly built ship then why was it scheduled decommissioned by the time of "THE UNDDISCOVERED COUNTRY" if what you suggest is right ,the ship would have only been 7 years old.....that would have been a total wast of time and man power to decommission a new ship.

One possible solution could be that the Excelsior class was started into mass production at the time.

I already knew that the Yorktown already was refitted, it was shown in ST 4 if I'm not mistaken Nevertheless, I dont think that they could have switched out bridges and redone the inside of the Yorktown as fast as to have it completely re-refitted in so short a time.

Where is the Constellation classified as a heavy cruiser, I've never come across that before.

If you could post an image of the Fed starship size chart that would be great

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Good, I couldn't find in in my crawl space, too afraid of spiders

Yes, the initial design was old, but that does not rule out it being a new ship, look at how long-lived the Miranda class is,

The way that the A is designed internally would suggest that a MAJOR overhaul would need to be done to make it the A. They would have had to recover the vessel, and then gut the hell out of it to make it the A. If you remember the bridge looked exactly like the 1701 refit and was probably refir entirely in this fasion
this does not seem probable given the apparent short amount of time that took place between Kirk's return and the A's launch.

older designs are highly reliable, so that is one reason to build a new Constitution class. Also at its time, the Excelsior class would not be practical to mass produce as it was still a prototype test ship until ST VI. The Miranda and Constellation could not serve the heavy cruiser roll that would be left vacant if the Constitution were to be done away with. therefore, the most combat effective ship to produce would have been the Constitution class. It also showcased many new technological advancements

The shittiness of the ship's systems in ST V could be viewed as either a rushed refit, but more likely the result of errors in the new design aspects of the ship

The Yorktown in service was already refited... all Constitution class starships in service were refitted by the time of the wrath of Kahn.........at least thats what Rodenberry said.And the Constellation class was a "heavy cruiser" it was the same class as the Stargazer.
And the Bridge was completly different by the next movie.Also if it was a newly built ship then why was it scheduled decommissioned by the time of "THE UNDDISCOVERED COUNTRY" if what you suggest is right ,the ship would have only been 7 years old.....that would have been a total wast of time and man power to decommission a new ship.

One possible solution could be that the Excelsior class was started into mass production at the time.

I already knew that the Yorktown already was refitted, it was shown in ST 4 if I'm not mistaken Nevertheless, I dont think that they could have switched out bridges and redone the inside of the Yorktown as fast as to have it completely re-refitted in so short a time.

Where is the Constellation classified as a heavy cruiser, I've never come across that before.

If you could post an image of the Fed starship size chart that would be great

I'll post that chart up in a little while.....The bridge modual is a seprate pease and can be lifted up and replased very eazly.At least thats what the Encyclopedia says.

[OptimusN1701]

But they would also have to replace all of the internal access panels on the ship

Its article on Memory Alpha states that other systems and areas were changed as well http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/USS_Ent ... -1701-A%29

scratch the statement about the bridge module

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

But they would also have to replace all of the internal access panels on the ship

Its article on Memory Alpha states that other systems and areas were changed as well http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/USS_Ent ... -1701-A%29

scratch the statement about the bridge module

Are you telling me to scrach it or are you referring to your self

Anyway here are some scans and even thou it doesnt say heavy cruiser on the entry it doesnt say it for the enterprise ether but from my understand the term is aplyed to ships of simular size and armerment.Sorry bout the scans but the book it pretty large.

[OptimusN1701]

I meant to scratch my comment
If you look at the size chart there, its smaller than the Constitution, closer to the Miranda, which was mulit-purpose and later delegated to escort duty. it does say it was used for patrols though, which for some reason I see a light to medium type ship doing, but thats just me.

Anyway, doesnt replacing all of the computer terminals and basically rebuilding the torp bay, if indeed true, seem like a fair amount of work, and this is not counting the seemingly massive repairs that may have been needed to the ship as a result of the probe since the encyclopedia says that they had to construct a solar sail to come under their own power again. the power systems though could have been the extent of it though

To me though it seems more plausible that it was a blank vessel that was just made the Enterprise. ST V made it seem like the ship was still partially unfinished

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I meant to scratch my comment
If you look at the size chart there, its smaller than the Constitution, closer to the Miranda, which was mulit-purpose and later delegated to escort duty. it does say it was used for patrols though, which for some reason I see a light to medium type ship doing, but thats just me.

Anyway, doesnt replacing all of the computer terminals and basically rebuilding the torp bay, if indeed true, seem like a fair amount of work, and this is not counting the seemingly massive repairs that may have been needed to the ship as a result of the probe since the encyclopedia says that they had to construct a solar sail to come under their own power again. the power systems though could have been the extent of it though

To me though it seems more plausible that it was a blank vessel that was just made the Enterprise. ST V made it seem like the ship was still partially unfinished

Its smaller then the Constitution class but, bigger then Miranda class and if you look at the blue prints [witch I cant find now] its much closer to the Constitution just like the entree says.........and the Constitution was also used for patrols for the most part.....thats what they were there for.The Constellation and the Constitution were suited for the same work.
Even if it was a "blank ship" I stil dont think it was a new ship....like I said before,why would they decommishion a 7 year old ship...most likely it was a older ship renamed.
By the way I just remembered and confirmed by DVD that the Yorktown seen in ST4 was a Miranda class ship witch makes this debate more mixed up.

[OptimusN1701]

Miranda Class Yorktown?

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Miranda Class Yorktown?

Sorry I got two diffrent ships mixed up the Miranda Class ship was the Saratoga.I was watching it in skip mode.

[OptimusN1701]

Miranda Class Yorktown?

Sorry I got two diffrent ships mixed up the Miranda Class ship was the Saratoga.I was watching it in skip mode.

Do you know what the funny thing is? My next post was gonna be that they mothballed the original Yorktown, made the Miranda one, re-refitted the old one, and then that one became the A

Now I go back to it being a new ship

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Miranda Class Yorktown?

Sorry I got two diffrent ships mixed up the Miranda Class ship was the Saratoga.I was watching it in skip mode.

Do you know what the funny thing is? My next post was gonna be that they mothballed the original Yorktown, made the Miranda one, re-refitted the old one, and then that one became the A

Now I go back to it being a new ship

Like I said why would they decommishion a new ship???If it was new it was only 7 years old and the encyclopedia says that the Yorktown from TOS registry number was NCC-1717 and the one from ST4 was NCC-1717 now if it was a different ship its registry number would have been completly different.Only the Enterprise has kept the same registry number and added any leters at the end.

[OptimusN1701]

Miranda Class Yorktown?

Sorry I got two diffrent ships mixed up the Miranda Class ship was the Saratoga.I was watching it in skip mode.

Do you know what the funny thing is? My next post was gonna be that they mothballed the original Yorktown, made the Miranda one, re-refitted the old one, and then that one became the A

Now I go back to it being a new ship

Like I said why would they decommishion a new ship???If it was new it was only 7 years old and the encyclopedia says that the Yorktown from TOS registry number was NCC-1717 and the one from ST4 was NCC-1717 now if it was a different ship its registry number would have been completly different.Only the Enterprise has kept the same registry number and added any leters at the end.

There are rare instances of ships having the same name but different registry numbers

Anywho, if it was a new ship, like I said before, The Excelsior was out of test phase and probably in mass production, since the B was launched in a year or 2 or 3 after ST VI. This would make the Constitution obsolete as it would no longer be the capital ship, and lesser duties like research and support could be delegated to the Miranda and Constellation classes, which were newer, and smaller and more economical.

This is really the only explanation that I can think of, because I agree with you that 7 years is very short for a starship's lifetime. The only other explanation that I can come up with is Paramount's doing with ending the TOS movies

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

There are rare instances of ships having the same name but different registry numbers

Every ship we ever saw on all the series that had the same name had different numbers except for the Enterprise's....even when they were in the same class....

U.S.S. Saratoga NCC-1937 Miranda class ST4
U.S.S. Saratoga NCC 31911 Miranda class from the 1st episode of DS9 it was at the fight of wolf 359

No other ship in Star Trek history with the same name has ever had the same registry numbers.....go ahead and trow me a name and I'll give you the numbers.
The only other one you could considered might be the 3rd Defiant and that was only done to save on the cost of filming new shots and changing the model for the finel episode and even then they were carfull enough to add in dialog that they got special premision to rename the Sonpolo.

[OptimusN1701]

There are rare instances of ships having the same name but different registry numbers

Every ship we ever saw on all the series that had the same name had different numbers except for the Enterprise's....even when they were in the same class....

U.S.S. Saratoga NCC-1937 Miranda class ST4
U.S.S. Saratoga NCC 31911 Miranda class from the 1st episode of DS9 it was at the fight of wolf 359

No other ship in Star Trek history with the same name has ever had the same registry numbers.....go ahead and trow me a name and I'll give you the numbers.
The only other one you could considered might be the 3rd Defiant and that was only done to save on the cost of filming new shots and changing the model for the finel episode and even then they were carfull enough to add in dialog that they got special premision to rename the Sonpolo.

I misread your post man I thought you were saying the opposite thing.
I was trying to cover my ass because you obviously have the Encyclopedia there with you and I dont. I remember several cases of different registry numbers w/ the same name, I thought you are saying there werent, and you have the book right there

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

There are rare instances of ships having the same name but different registry numbers

Every ship we ever saw on all the series that had the same name had different numbers except for the Enterprise's....even when they were in the same class....

U.S.S. Saratoga NCC-1937 Miranda class ST4
U.S.S. Saratoga NCC 31911 Miranda class from the 1st episode of DS9 it was at the fight of wolf 359

No other ship in Star Trek history with the same name has ever had the same registry numbers.....go ahead and trow me a name and I'll give you the numbers.
The only other one you could considered might be the 3rd Defiant and that was only done to save on the cost of filming new shots and changing the model for the finel episode and even then they were carfull enough to add in dialog that they got special premision to rename the Sonpolo.

I misread your post man I thought you were saying the opposite thing.
I was trying to cover my ass because you obviously have the Encyclopedia there with you and I dont. I remember several cases of different registry numbers w/ the same name, I thought you are saying there werent, and you have the book right there

Thats ok.....I've made mistakes myself.Now tell me why do you think that they didnt give the show Enterprise a new ship design for the crew????????

[OptimusN1701]

There are rare instances of ships having the same name but different registry numbers

Every ship we ever saw on all the series that had the same name had different numbers except for the Enterprise's....even when they were in the same class....

U.S.S. Saratoga NCC-1937 Miranda class ST4
U.S.S. Saratoga NCC 31911 Miranda class from the 1st episode of DS9 it was at the fight of wolf 359

No other ship in Star Trek history with the same name has ever had the same registry numbers.....go ahead and trow me a name and I'll give you the numbers.
The only other one you could considered might be the 3rd Defiant and that was only done to save on the cost of filming new shots and changing the model for the finel episode and even then they were carfull enough to add in dialog that they got special premision to rename the Sonpolo.

I misread your post man I thought you were saying the opposite thing.
I was trying to cover my ass because you obviously have the Encyclopedia there with you and I dont. I remember several cases of different registry numbers w/ the same name, I thought you are saying there werent, and you have the book right there

Thats ok.....I've made mistakes myself.Now tell me why do you think that they didnt give the show Enterprise a new ship design for the crew????????

i've heard u go on about that for a while what ship did they rip off exactly. When I first day the top-down view I thought that they had ripped off an Akira, one of my most favorite classes, and I was confused by it

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

There are rare instances of ships having the same name but different registry numbers

Every ship we ever saw on all the series that had the same name had different numbers except for the Enterprise's....even when they were in the same class....

U.S.S. Saratoga NCC-1937 Miranda class ST4
U.S.S. Saratoga NCC 31911 Miranda class from the 1st episode of DS9 it was at the fight of wolf 359

No other ship in Star Trek history with the same name has ever had the same registry numbers.....go ahead and trow me a name and I'll give you the numbers.
The only other one you could considered might be the 3rd Defiant and that was only done to save on the cost of filming new shots and changing the model for the finel episode and even then they were carfull enough to add in dialog that they got special premision to rename the Sonpolo.

I misread your post man I thought you were saying the opposite thing.
I was trying to cover my ass because you obviously have the Encyclopedia there with you and I dont. I remember several cases of different registry numbers w/ the same name, I thought you are saying there werent, and you have the book right there

Thats ok.....I've made mistakes myself.Now tell me why do you think that they didnt give the show Enterprise a new ship design for the crew????????

i've heard u go on about that for a while what ship did they rip off exactly. When I first day the top-down view I thought that they had ripped off an Akira, one of my most favorite classes, and I was confused by it

You were right......It was an upside down Akira class with a few mods to make it look older.......but why did they do it.I know the ship design was popular but thats cause it was a bad a$$ ship from DS9 time frame....on Enterprise it was a pretty week ship.

[Insurgent]

You said Troy crashed the ship 3 times but I only remember 2.......where was the 3rd?????????

The episode Disaster.
Generations.
Nemesis.

Okay, I know the helm was offline in Generations, and she was ordered to ram the ship in Nemesis, but it's just a little running joke I like that Troi crashes the ship everytime she drives it.


As for the whole Enterprprise A thing, I always figured the A was one of the last Constitution class ships that were under construction and they decided to rename it the A in honour of Kirk and the amount of times the original Enterprise had saved the day. It was decomishioned after only seven years because the technology in it had become obsolete due to the new Excelsior class becomming commonplace now, and having the flagship as such an old thing was not a very good public image. Perhaps they always intended for the next Enterprise to be an Excelsior class, but as the Excelsior itself was in the final testing phases, they just gave Kirk the old design until the new one was ready.

As for the NX, I always thought it was a bit weird how the suposadly inferior ship in terms of tech looked more advanced than Kirks LEGO brick bridge. The buttons did look like LEGO bricks when viewed from a wide shot.

[Moonbase2]

This stuff is over my head--time to catch up on my trekkiness. I need that encyclopedia.