The Energon Pub

Oh no. That looks terrible. Maybe that (minimalist) art will appear better when in motion... I hope.

Good to see Picasso is getting some work again.

[quote="kelefeh"]reminds me of Samurai Jack, Dexter's Lab, Much Lucha etc etc... oh oh wait...The Justice Friends! hahahaha

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i was thinking it did look like geddy tartovski [sp] (samurai jack, sw clone wars)
it looks like a kids cartoon.
the same as the rest.

hasbro what da hell is wrong wit u

Boy,

Does this f#$@*ing suck!!!

And this is pretty much all I have to say about this.

New design =

I keep lookin', and it ain't gettin' better. I knew this was gonna be crap.

tv has no respect for adults any more.
I say we all petition cartoon network for a prime time spot for a real transformers cartoon designed by Don Figeroa and Story by Simon Furman.

Now i'm not impressed one bit by this new design, but I have to ask.

Omega Sentinel wrote:

Loki120 wrote:You really didn't think you were going to get an ADULT version of Transformers did you? Not one version has ever been adult.

I think this is exactly everyone's point.

Why don't they make a series for those of us that are over 12!!?? They have done it for other series, so why not this one?

Why should they?

These cartoons are really only made to push sales for the toys. Yeah we've had non-show lines as of late (and look at how many figures have been produced in them) but the primary lines have a show attached to them.

Now if Hasbro are going to spend money developing toys they're going to want to market them to younger kids, you know, the main focus group they've always gone after.

Remember, Hasbro's out to make money, not to cater to the whims of fanboys.

Burn wrote:Now i'm not impressed one bit by this new design, but I have to ask.

Omega Sentinel wrote:

Loki120 wrote:You really didn't think you were going to get an ADULT version of Transformers did you? Not one version has ever been adult.

I think this is exactly everyone's point.

Why don't they make a series for those of us that are over 12!!?? They have done it for other series, so why not this one?

Why should they?

These cartoons are really only made to push sales for the toys. Yeah we've had non-show lines as of late (and look at how many figures have been produced in them) but the primary lines have a show attached to them.

Now if Hasbro are going to spend money developing toys they're going to want to market them to younger kids, you know, the main focus group they've always gone after.

Remember, Hasbro's out to make money, not to cater to the whims of fanboys.

yeah but to really optimize their sales of a toy line, it would make much more sense to find a middle ground that kids, teens, and adults can follow along and join in the Merchandise.. that would be more logical then to just target one age bracket.. it means more mass appeal and more money for Hasbro on toy sales..

Honestly, George Lucas and Star Wars know that their Merchandise is not just for kids, thats why they released realistic toys of those hideous Clone wars cartoon characters, versus the anime line up.. they knew that there was a collector need for Dirge, and Asaji Ventrus..

Believe it or not, a large part of the toy market share is actually going out to collectors and fanboys trying to recapture toys from their youth..

I read on here that we should stop saying this sucks and that this is a show aimed for kids..... well the kids the are aiming for are guess what...more then likely G1 fans kids and usually the kids agree with Dad... hasbro and the ppl involved are making a mistake with this one I am inbetween I was born in 87 right after the g1 stuff was at its peak I thought I had it bad with TF shows but holy cow.......this is just bad design...it could have the greatest writng behind it and that wont change the fact that it is ugly to look at...and thats why ppl will not watch it ......its just human nature something the design team didnt even consider wow they are really off the mark..just to save a few buck on animation to...so sad

they're going fora very fluid style *LOL*
can't really sh!t on it till i've seen it in full motion..

Well here is our chance to show them we are not gonna get over it!! The critics out there, of the Fandom, believe that we will just blindly accept anything with transformers slapped on the box, or cartoon.. granted we are going slowly into the movie arena with an open mind.. but this is our chance to say, Hell NO!!!

if we keep bitching about this series and then suddenly accept it, all our credibility is gone.. they will forever look at our fandom as a joke, and will say this..."Transformers fans.. they are funny, we can design crap on a stick that transforms into toilet paper and they'll bitch for awhile.. they always bitch for awhile.. but they eventually take it!!"

I don't want some jerk executive at Hasbro or studio to ever think they have the right to say that about us.. so My advice... stop bitching, until the show comes out.. or keep this attitude after the show airs.. cause if we raise this much hell already.. and change our minds down the road..especially after the big stink we caused with the movie and its designs... all our credibilty is lost as a fandom!!!

If you don't think we have that much of a voice, your wrong.. we had the director Micheal bay himself addressing on video, the Flames issue, and the distruction of our Childhood comments.. our fandom can get loud if it wants to be.. but we need to be uniform and not waiver on things we hate, otherwise.. we are the bitching fandom that eventually takes it in the rear, "the boy who cries wolf" and that opens the door for any kinda crap coming out with transformers labels on it in the future... just because they think they can get us to buy it...

I sense a disturbance in the Matrix. As if an entire board scream out in agony....

skywarp-2 wrote:yeah but to really optimize their sales of a toy line, it would make much more sense to find a middle ground that kids, teens, and adults can follow along and join in the Merchandise.. that would be more logical then to just target one age bracket.. it means more mass appeal and more money for Hasbro on toy sales..

But they probably look at the popularity of the DC cartoons they've produced and figure that the style is obviously popular)

Honestly, George Lucas and Star Wars know that their Merchandise is not just for kids, thats why they released realistic toys of those hideous Clone wars cartoon characters, versus the anime line up.. they knew that there was a collector need for Dirge, and Asaji Ventrus..

Yeah but the thing i've noticed with SW figures is that so many characters have so many different figures and the only difference is a minor variation, some anniversary, or it comes with an all new blaster pack or some other minor change.

Believe it or not, a large part of the toy market share is actually going out to collectors and fanboys trying to recapture toys from their youth..

So many people have said this for so many years, and i've yet to see any evidence that backs it up.

Why? Because Hasbro doesn't have those figures, no one does. So no offense intended, but what do you base your comments on?

Are they just trying to kill this line, or do you think they take bets on who can get the worst idea produced?

Eitherway, this was sadly what I was expecting.

First bugs....now this.....


When they gonna have a crossover with these ladies?

(Looks like the same art, so that won't be hard! Yuck!)

Burn wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:yeah but to really optimize their sales of a toy line, it would make much more sense to find a middle ground that kids, teens, and adults can follow along and join in the Merchandise.. that would be more logical then to just target one age bracket.. it means more mass appeal and more money for Hasbro on toy sales..

But they probably look at the popularity of the DC cartoons they've produced and figure that the style is obviously popular)

Honestly, George Lucas and Star Wars know that their Merchandise is not just for kids, thats why they released realistic toys of those hideous Clone wars cartoon characters, versus the anime line up.. they knew that there was a collector need for Dirge, and Asaji Ventrus..

Yeah but the thing i've noticed with SW figures is that so many characters have so many different figures and the only difference is a minor variation, some anniversary, or it comes with an all new blaster pack or some other minor change.

Believe it or not, a large part of the toy market share is actually going out to collectors and fanboys trying to recapture toys from their youth..

So many people have said this for so many years, and i've yet to see any evidence that backs it up.

Why? Because Hasbro doesn't have those figures, no one does. So no offense intended, but what do you base your comments on?

here is just one of many articles I have found and read on the subject..you want basis and source materials, then here you go..

http://directmag.com/mag/marketing_toy_collectors/

Normally i don't make it a habbit of talking from My rear.. i leave that to Jim Carey.. he's a professional and actually gets paid to talk out of his rear..

here is one related to just Hasbro:
http://chiefmarketer.com/cm_plus/gi_joe_grievous/

AAAAAaah!!! My eyes! They bleed!!!
Well, still better then Megatron Movie design....i was prepared for something like this, when they mentionned "Teen Titan"!
Ok, the design suck monkey balls but i won't jusdge until i see an episode. It might end up beign AT least decent.
Judging by the image...i think mass-shifting is back!

EDIT: And in hindsight I can't help but laugh in the general direction of all those folks who constantly glitched and moaned for a TF series made in a Western country because they couldn't stand the Japanese series'... Well, you guys got what you wanted. Happy now?

No im not, Windracer! You Tf-Anime purist where right after all...

still.....it's already better than a possible kissplay cartoon.

Nico wrote:AAAAAaah!!! My eyes! They bleed!!!
Well, still better then Megatron Movie design....i was prepared for something like this, when they mentionned "Teen Titan"!
Ok, the design suck monkey balls but i won't jusdge until i see an episode. It might end up beign AT least decent.
Judging by the image...i think mass-shifting is back!

EDIT: And in hindsight I can't help but laugh in the general direction of all those folks who constantly glitched and moaned for a TF series made in a Western country because they couldn't stand the Japanese series'... Well, you guys got what you wanted. Happy now?

No im not, Windracer! You Tf-Anime purist where right after all...[/quote]

CanadIa would have been a great choice.. yes i spelled it Can-a-dia..LOL...

Mainframe Baby!! yeah!!!

Sun Runner wrote:still.....it's already better than a possible kissplay cartoon.

Agreed....then again

skywarp-2 wrote:

Nico wrote:AAAAAaah!!! My eyes! They bleed!!!
Well, still better then Megatron Movie design....i was prepared for something like this, when they mentionned "Teen Titan"!
Ok, the design suck monkey balls but i won't jusdge until i see an episode. It might end up beign AT least decent.
Judging by the image...i think mass-shifting is back!

EDIT: And in hindsight I can't help but laugh in the general direction of all those folks who constantly glitched and moaned for a TF series made in a Western country because they couldn't stand the Japanese series'... Well, you guys got what you wanted. Happy now?

No im not, Windracer! You Tf-Anime purist where right after all...

CanadIa would have been a great choice.. yes i spelled it Can-a-dia..LOL...

Mainframe Baby!! yeah!!![/quote]

Beast Wars, THAT is what i call a good serie whit awesome design. For its time...

This serie had everything...the story, the action, the comedy and even caracter who had depth.

skywarp-2 wrote:here is just one of many articles I have found and read on the subject..you want basis and source materials, then here you go..

http://directmag.com/mag/marketing_toy_collectors/

Normally i don't make it a habbit of talking from My rear.. i leave that to Jim Carey.. he's a professional and actually gets paid to talk out of his rear..

See, i've been asking for people to show me something like this for years and no one's been able to until now! Thank you!

Now the problems with it.

• It's 8 years old.
• They call the collectors market a secondary market, meaning collectors aren't buying in the shops but rather from specialty collector shops (though I will concede that has probably changed in 8 years)

About 6 million adults-mostly men-spend $1.7 billion annually to collect miniature die-cast cars, trucks and farm machinery. They spend an average of $30 per replica.

Of course that's for all brands, not Transformers only. So i'm still not convinced the collector/fan base is a big figure in Hasbro's eyes.

Burn wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:here is just one of many articles I have found and read on the subject..you want basis and source materials, then here you go..

http://directmag.com/mag/marketing_toy_collectors/

Normally i don't make it a habbit of talking from My rear.. i leave that to Jim Carey.. he's a professional and actually gets paid to talk out of his rear..

See, i've been asking for people to show me something like this for years and no one's been able to until now! Thank you!

Now the problems with it.

• It's 8 years old.
• They call the collectors market a secondary market, meaning collectors aren't buying in the shops but rather from specialty collector shops (though I will concede that has probably changed in 8 years)

About 6 million adults-mostly men-spend $1.7 billion annually to collect miniature die-cast cars, trucks and farm machinery. They spend an average of $30 per replica.

Of course that's for all brands, not Transformers only. So i'm still not convinced the collector/fan base is a big figure in Hasbro's eyes.

well it is like i said just one of the articles I have links to.. i'll track down something special for you later.. for now though i have to go to work..I'm the owner.. so I never get any time off...

Burn wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:here is just one of many articles I have found and read on the subject..you want basis and source materials, then here you go..

http://directmag.com/mag/marketing_toy_collectors/

Normally i don't make it a habbit of talking from My rear.. i leave that to Jim Carey.. he's a professional and actually gets paid to talk out of his rear..

See, i've been asking for people to show me something like this for years and no one's been able to until now! Thank you!

Now the problems with it.

• It's 8 years old.
• They call the collectors market a secondary market, meaning collectors aren't buying in the shops but rather from specialty collector shops (though I will concede that has probably changed in 8 years)

About 6 million adults-mostly men-spend $1.7 billion annually to collect miniature die-cast cars, trucks and farm machinery. They spend an average of $30 per replica.

Of course that's for all brands, not Transformers only. So i'm still not convinced the collector/fan base is a big figure in Hasbro's eyes.

Also i added a link back on that post to a article about Hasbro targeting collectors..