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Oh my ... Prime looks like Superman o0 ...

Loki120 wrote:I look and I laugh. I read these comments and I laugh. Guys, it's just a cartoon...aimed at kids!!! You really didn't think you were going to get an ADULT version of Transformers did you? Not one version has ever been adult. Look at some of the early episodes of Beast Wars, a vast majority of them were aimed at kids. It was only towards the tail end of the first season and the following seasons that the more intricate plots were introduced and some adult humor thrown in, once they realized that "Hey, we've been noticed by an actual community of fans!". Get real guys, if you want "realistic" Transformers aimed towards adults, stick to the comics.

loki, a VERY good point. I saw armada, energon, cybertron toys as not as 'clever' as gen 1 (ie the diaclone and microman toys) perhaps but wht i did see were cool chunky toys for kids, esp the superlink energon figures, and again just maybe this line will lead to some super toys for kids. oN the subject im not sure that the movie toys are great for kids, they are rather dull, well the 'core' toys, the cyber slammers could be fun and the real gears are cool. Hopefully the new line will at least have character, something missing totally from the movie toys (save the real gear bots which are fun for kids and adults).

WHAT THE F*CK IS THAT

Kranix-76 wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:I have a problem with your number 2, it statesa quite clearly in this new article that the series will not have fluidity and that each episode will be different.. so what chances do we have to see a leader grow if the episodes dfon't link together and there is no progreession of story, just mindless good guy vs bad guy battles, one right after another..??

Firstly, I admit, I saw that tidbit about the new leader leak from TFormers and can't seem to find it. But secondly, the old G1 cartoon didn't have fluidity, either, but some people still maintain that the greatest characters came from that era. How is this accomplished? I'm not quite sure myself, but there are fans that'll swear by it.

Actually G-1 did have a progression.. and though some stories didn't coincide.. thats forgiven due to the fact that it was the first time ever, transformers was aired as a cartoon...And yes the greatest characters came from G-1.. thats why there are several versions of Optimus Prime, Megatron, Starscream, and anyone else that bears a name or resemblence to those first characters in any other series!!!

Kranix-76 wrote:My greater point is that right now, everyone is leaping off the damn deep end over nothing, which, granted, it's the Internet. I'm already fightin' a battle I'll lose by default. But when Beast Wars first came-up, the fandom went insane because "Transformers are vehicles, not @$%@!*$# animals!", and looked what happened there. We have no freggin' clue about this show other than a picture and a pitch to possible sponsors. Yet, the length of this thread is just astounding.

Actually to this day there are still G-1 Fans who absolutely detest and hate Beast Wars..and will never bring themselves to see it, buy it, or even read about it.. I know this because up to about 1 year ago, I was such a transfan... But I have grown to love and admire Beast Wars..Yet still not everyone has accepted it..

As far as a clue about this show.. the initial designs, who is producing it, and story content we have heard so far is just enough to convince me that this show is nothing more then a Cartoon network, animation type thing that lends itself to being just like Ben 10, Danny Phantom, and Teen Titans.. and will suck royally!!!

those kids in the future will look back at their transformers tv show, not in awe.. but in adulation that one gets from Watching the Flintstones!!! this will end Transformers for those generations.. there will be no 20th anniversary figures made of Transformers "animated"... this show is crap, reminds me of that stupid clone wars cartoon, which has now had to go to CGI, because of the lameness art style after the whole cool clone trooper thing wore off!!

I see this as a big failure in terms of Sales for Hasbro..

In the words of the Emperor Palpatine.. "I have forseen this!"

they will really see where their core market is.. and its with young boys 10 to 14, and adults or teens..up to 30 years old.. if all the transfans older then 10 don't buiy any of this merchandise.. then they will know for sure.. uhhhhh this series isn't just for kids.. and maybe Americans have just become a little more like the Japanese in terms of them liking Mecha and giant robots!!!

Well, if this scan is any indication of the toys, I might be done with collecting TF's for a bit. Passing on the movie line, and I might pass on this if the toys look similar. At least I'll be saving some money for the next year or so.

Absolutely the farthest they could go away from what every TF fan really wants, which is a return to a REALISTICALLY illustrated G1 cartoon style.

I am one of the few it seems to really enjoy the alien look of the movie designs but this...

I am at a loss, I will be getting off the merchandise wagon for this one. TF is a strong brand, and will last past this nonsense but I certainly am not happy about it. I can see many TF fans not collecting until the movie sequel given how horrible this americanime style looks on the TF brand.

Why does TF have to conform to everyother cartoon on North American television?? This style works for some concepts BUT NOT TRANSFORMERS.

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I see this as a big failure in terms of Sales for Hasbro.. they will really see where their core market is.. and its with young boys 10 to 14, and adults or teens..up to 30 years old.. quote]

upto 30, I WISH, theres plenty TF fans older than that. As a teenager i saw gen 1 toys and though 'cool' rather like my old 1970's micronauts (ex takara microman) and little did i know gen 1 TF were indeed partly ex microman toys themselves. I must have been appreciative of good design but just too old to play with them, damn!

oki, while Oppie here looks more traditional, you just can't deny that he looks even worse than the movie design. at least the movie design had proper joints.

Well - I think you need to look at this from a marketing perspective...

First of all - the market for Transformers has become radically divirsified over the last few years; and that's been reflected in the toys where you always had the "main line" cartoons, the "reissues" for the older die-hard fans, and things like Alternators/Binaltech for those who insisted on realistic but modern toys using engineering to the max...

So where does the new toon fit in?

If you look at the majority of shows for kids these days on CN, that IS the prefered aesthetic style.

When Armada came out; it was pokemon mimicing...

Now this is mimicing a certain style which is popular with kids - it's a more cartoony style that is not shy about saying "yes, we're animated!"

In fact - given what's written, it looks like the stories will even be more comic (not as in comic book but as in slap stick comedy)...

I think we'll see a FUNNY TF cartoon that will be sarcastic and off the wall and have us rolling on the floor laughing... it'll be like Cow and Chicken, only with Megatron and Optimus Prime...

Now - if this was the ONLY thing TF wise we were getting; then I'd be dissapointed, but since this is one of MANY things we're getting...

I don't understand the complaining.

And I'll be interested in seeing how they do the toys for these - my guess is that the transformations will be silly as well...

Just hope the price of the toys isn't silly.

I'll be getting these - if they're reasonably cheap.

Skids

It took me 2 hours to get used to the movie designs.
Now I've been looking for a loooooooooooooooooooooooong time at this and well it's still crap.

I think this looks awesome, but I'm a huge fan of BTAS, JLU and Clone Wars. If there is anything the movie has taught me, it's to wait and see what these look like in action. If there is an awesome story with good dialogue, it will rule.

-And personaly, I'm sick of CGI.

Raymon wrote:omg, we should kill the ppl responsible for this crap.

Its joining the 'kid-friendly' lineup at CN...ah hell wasnt I a kid back in the 80s..yes I was and I enjoyed my bots a lot!

This country has gone security,Political correctness, and censorship Wacko!!!!


When i was a kid in the 80s we had great cartoons, and toylines.. ones with Giant F-ing robots kicking each others tail all over North and south America..Terrorists organizations that worshipped snakes and glamorized the profession, Guys wearing Masks to change their vehicles, Half naked men and Women running around with swords and Magic/Black magic, Strange familial relationships, and even yes...rocks that transform!!!

Come on..our generation turned out all right...its not like any of us kids from the 80s took up terrorism from a darn cartoon.. that actually was left up to religion.. which I find so hilarious.. especially with all the glamour attached to Gi Joe and Cobra!! Come on, Baroness in sexy Leather...

Anyhoo.. this series and kid friendly thing is merely a mask worn buy the cartoon industry, because of their lack of talent and pure and simple laziness, and the fact that these cartoons are way cheaper to produce then going through mainframe, and such..Transfgormers isn't meant to be a comedy and cartoony like Teen titans..

I also bet those dumbass animators who draw Danny Phantom, Ben 10, and such are excited and have wanted to apply their stupid art style to the Transformers for like years!! what a freaking joke!! thanks guys.. you really make the Transfans hate your art style even more.. and thats because our kids watch your crap!!!

I have half a mind to buy DVD cartoons and cut off my cable so my kids can watch quality cartoons that i think they will enjoy..but then i'd be just as bad as the networks, and the movie studios, cramming my opinion of whats cool down their throat..

So I'm above that..I will not watch but the first episode of this cartoon.. after that I will quit Transformers for awhile...atleast until the movie sequel..

Is it the common practice with the franchise nowadays to make Transformers look like gorillias?

I really wish I could be more positive about this, but if that's a finalized image... it's really not for me. Maybe the show will be spectacular, but that doesn't mean I'll find the character designs to be well done.

Disappointing.

Autobot032 wrote:

Senor Hugo wrote:I was thinking about it. And any cartoon that us adult fans get, that we actually end up liking, ends up getting canceled, lets look at CN's track record.

Justice League - Canceled
Teen Titans - Canceled(just when it was starting to get good)
Megas XLR - Canceled
He-man - Canceled
Dexter's Lab - Canceled
Samurai Jack - Canceled
PPG - Canceled
Reboot - Canceled
Duck Dodgers - Canceled

I know theres more, but now lets check out the crap they show now.

Ed Edd & Eddy - Still on
Code Lyoko
Storm Hawks - Didn't they already make this show, only they were racing on Dragons?
Squirrel Boy
Class of 3000

The only show on CN anymore is Billy & Mandy, and I got a feeling thats on the way out.

But apparently the CN motto is "if it's worth watching, we'll cancel it."

Wait...Cartoon Network is owned by Fox?!

...seems like it, doesn't it?

Oh and its not just CN(although its more of them then anyone else)WB has thrown away shows like Static Shock(although I think something else had a say in it) and X-men: Evolution! Those were two good shows thrown away! This country is so cencership oriented that that all the good shows r going down tubes! The TF's image is gonna take big hit after this show comes on! Bring back Armada!

So what good deeds do they speak of?? helping a little old lady across the street?? Finding a Homeless guy some food, clean clothes and a job??

I can't stand this style of cartoon. Why on earth would anyone want to watch the completely-out-of-proportial-everything-is-made-of-angles-and-primitive-shapes garbage?

Thank god I had a chance to grow up in the 80's, and consume some proper, well constructed entertainment.

You're designs look f'ng ridiculous on Transformers/robots - DOES. NOT. WORK.

Autobot Skids wrote:Well - I think you need to look at this from a marketing perspective...

First of all - the market for Transformers has become radically divirsified over the last few years; and that's been reflected in the toys where you always had the "main line" cartoons, the "reissues" for the older die-hard fans, and things like Alternators/Binaltech for those who insisted on realistic but modern toys using engineering to the max...

So where does the new toon fit in?

If you look at the majority of shows for kids these days on CN, that IS the prefered aesthetic style.

...

And I'll be interested in seeing how they do the toys for these - my guess is that the transformations will be silly as well...

And this is an interesting point. CN has that whole "bulky up top, skinny down below" style, how well do toys based on cartoons animated like that sell?

And how well is a toy based on that Prime going to look? Or any other character bukly up top/skinny down below, how are they going to look in alt mode?

Look at the movie characters. Given the complicated look in the movie the toys are not exact representations of how they look in the movie, but they come close.

So are the toys based on this series going to go the same path? Be different just to make the transformation work, or worse, simply not transform because the bot mode wouldn't work?

Good luck to Hasbro designing these toys, but frankly they might be better off reissuing the Machine Wars line.

Loki120 wrote:You really didn't think you were going to get an ADULT version of Transformers did you? Not one version has ever been adult.

I think this is exactly everyone's point.

Why don't they make a series for those of us that are over 12!!?? They have done it for other series, so why not this one?

I don't think anyone would give this new series a second thought if there was a decent show on for the teen and up crowd....We haven't seen a decent television series since Beast Machines and then get stuck with a Michael Bay movie.

Absolute Crap.

we shall stand;
they must fall

Brilliant! Something new and fresh to round out the endless line of spinoffs obsessed with Unicron and reused and replayed transformation sequences. Similarly to how I feel everytime I see a maquette of animated Star Wars or Lord of the Rings characters, I'm excited that the norm has been tweaked. And for all of us who bolted at the changes made to Optimus Prime for next month's movie, well - at least he has a faceplate. And a double windowed windshield, semi truck grill, absense of flames and an accurate color scheme, I might add. And the line about everyday heroes in real life situations - it's about bloody time.

reminds me of Samurai Jack, Dexter's Lab, Much Lucha etc etc... oh oh wait...The Justice Friends! hahahaha

Lets see...Megs acting like Mojo Jojo or Aku...hrmm..


Would be pretty comedic, no? heh...

Anyway, I don't want to be too quick to judge though, wouldn't be too fair on them folks who've worked so hard to do what they wanted.

We'll see that on TV first, then we can go congratulate or condemn them. Muahahahahaha!!!

but am not too sure if they'll be airing in Malaysia/Singapore...any news on that?

I think I just threw up inside my mouth.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Why is this such a hard thing to understand.

You have robots that transform into REALISTIC vehicles. "Duh, lets pick a caricature style for the animations!" There is a bit, a shade of G2 marvel comic feel in there and I hope the animation and story redeem this image. As it stands now, brutal.