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And I wondered why there weren't more critisisms in this forum...

sekse two official warnings for you today..

One for each

suck my ballz

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Kalon and everyone else has the right to agree or disagree with ones artwork, story etc..
You should have just taken the criticism with a grain of salt and moved along.
The comments you made were completely unnecessary.

Oopsie, i am in trouble. Ok, I will try to keep my comebacks to a PG13 rating from now on. Although I still offer no apology to Kolon. If the guy wants to offer some criticism, fine, but bashing is just uncalled for.

sekse wrote:Oopsie, i am in trouble. Ok, I will try to keep my comebacks to a PG13 rating from now on. Although I still offer no apology to Kolon. If the guy wants to offer some criticism, fine, but bashing is just uncalled for.

Just ignore them. If you feel an unwarranted attack is being staged on you then simply pm a staff member and we will investigate.

I like the second Sideswipe better, he is more "beefier" then the first, and not so skinny. If you do go with the first "skinny" rendering, I recommend that you add some Tf "guts" as he looks a bit hollow..

I noticed in the listings that you had Alt modes and then the Originals. Are you going with the new ones or the originals? I would so love to see Starscream as an F-15 again...

Just to remind you: Every artist or developer will get criticized for their ideas. Not everybody can be pleased, and trying to please everybody will make you miserable, as not everybody likes the same things. People love to complain. Try not to let it get you down.

I wish I could help you with the renderings and modeling, but I don't have any of those tools for it. I would love to do that kind of thing, but the software is super expensive. How much did yours cost though? Maybe it might be in the price range for me. (I hope) It would be a dream come true. If Half-life 2 had a level editor program like Half-life 1 did, I would be in heaven. (Sadly it doesn't have one at all) Imagine Black Mesa but with Decepticons!

Well, I use 3DS Max, which is a VERY expensive program to buy, or free if you know where to download it illegally, but DO NOT ask me where to do that, I will not answer. Another program I use for initial modelling is freeware, a program called anim8or. Do a search for it and you will find a wealth of info about it. As for the alt. modes, I would like to make Starscream into an f-22 raptor, as in the movie, I think it deffinately fits him well. The F-15 is an outdated jet hardly used today, so I am going to try to avoid using it unless the fanbase throws a hissy fit about it. I don't know for sure though, I might end up using it anyways.

I wouldn't say it was out of date...
The U.S military has stated that the F-15 series will be active until 2030, (Wow, I'll be 50 then!) and after that I imagine they will either go entirely with the F-22 or something else. Or even go back to the F-15. Plus they are finding out that buying and repairing F-22s is more expensive then using the F-15. When I read that I was surprised, as I thought it would actually be cheaper. I read this stuff on Wiki while searching for pictures and articles on jets.

It is possible the military will either revamp the F-22, or its price tag will fall, or they will scrap it altogether. Sometimes what looks good at first is actually a pain in the butt in maintenance and repair. I'm only saying this because the F-22 is still quite new, and a lot of its 'quirks' are still unknown, and sometimes if a plane proves too "quirky' (difficult to maintain, expensive, whatever) the military will either revamp it or drop it.

You can still use the F-22 design, and I will applaud you if yours looks better then Bay's. (in fact that is my major complaint, Bay's Screamer doesn't look nice, its not really the jet model used)

Good luck on your project!

Edit: You having Screamer as an F-22 has inspired me to also try and see if it could work. I like a challenge, and mine will be a G1 Starscream, but having the F-22 alt mode and body kibble.

kool, if you come up with a good way to make an F-22 work and look G1, send me some images or models and I will see what i can do about putting it in the film if you want. I haven't gotten around to modelling starscream yet.

This is really starting to darken my day. Everyone with some CG talent refuses to help out unless they get paid. No loyalty anymore. As I said, if nobody is going to help i am going to have to resort to the whole exposed robot look to cut my modelling times down. If you all want to see everything look like the real G1, then get some friends with some 3D modelling no-how and help out, that or donate some cash to pay these capitalists, either way.

sekse wrote:This is really starting to darken my day. Everyone with some CG talent refuses to help out unless they get paid. No loyalty anymore. As I said, if nobody is going to help i am going to have to resort to the whole exposed robot look to cut my modelling times down. If you all want to see everything look like the real G1, then get some friends with some 3D modelling no-how and help out, that or donate some cash to pay these capitalists, either way.

Its a bit much to go around expecting people who have the skills that they could earn money out of to just go around and put in hours and hours of hard labour for free.

I know i certainly wouldnt, and why should anyone?

You have to understand that people need to live in this day and age, and to do so everything requires money and so one needs to be paid for their labours. I certainly wouldnt build a house for someone and not ask to be paid for the job afterwards, would you? If you would, you are a mug.

Its a bit of an insult to people who have the skills to assume that they will just help you with this hard work all for nothing and at the drop of a hat.

Its not a matter of loyalty, its a matter of what real life is all about, and surviving in this real world isnt an easy task.

Its a shame, but thats life: it sucks.

True, but then again I am not asking them to build a house. I am asking them to spend a few hours at a computer or even just help out with models they have already created for the sake of seeing their favorite cartoon made into a movie. But like I said, if nobody wants to help, I will just go back to the original look.

sekse wrote:True, but then again I am not asking them to build a house. I am asking them to spend a few hours at a computer or even just help out with models they have already created for the sake of seeing their favorite cartoon made into a movie. But like I said, if nobody wants to help, I will just go back to the original look.

The building a house thing was an example. Basically what i was trying to say is you cant expect people who can sell their skills to just use said skills for free when they could earn a living off of them.

You ever had a job? Would you do any of those jobs for free?

Not denying your point, you are right. But some of us like to do this stuff as a hobby. Fans post videos on Youtube all the time, if these people would just devote the amount of energy they used to make that youtube video into making this movie, between all of them we would be getting somewhere.

Ok, how about this, until some 3D modellers decide to volunteer, this is what they're going to look like, hope you guys like it. If not, help me make some transformers!

sekse wrote:Ok, how about this, until some 3D modellers decide to volunteer, this is what they're going to look like, hope you guys like it. If not, help me make some transformers!

Why you think that this tactic will get people to help you is... confusing. It is basically a threat, whether you intend it as one or not. No one has to help you. No one has to do anything for free. You want good, working models? Turbosquid.com has lots of them.

yes, turbosquid has models. But i don't need cars and such, I need people to help make the actual robots. As for threatening people if they don't help me, that is not my intention. I am just saying, everybody wants to complain about me trying to cut corners to actually get this movie done, but they don't want to help me make it the way they want it unless I pay them. If I was getting paid, so would everybody helping. Not a threat, just the fact that without help, I have no choice. The way I look at it, if nobody wants to help, I don't think they have the right to complain about me cutting corners to make sure that only one man can make an entire movie in just 1 year. I would love to make it all G1, but the fact remains if I do it alone I would be looking at 2010 for a release year.

sekse wrote:Ok, how about this, until some 3D modellers decide to volunteer, this is what they're going to look like, hope you guys like it. If not, help me make some transformers!

I kinda like it, but then again i am a fan of the movie designs so that probably explains it.

However, it seems these designs have more stuff on show than a blocky g1 character would. Wouldnt it save more time and effort to just go with the traditional boxy, undetailed and uncomplicated G1 designs rather than these more complicated open moving parts looking designs?

That is the thing, it looks like it would be harder to model, but the advantage is the robot underneath the body panels can be used for all transformers, leaving the only thing needed just to cut up a 3d modelled car and paste the panels where they go rather than completely model each transformer from the ground up. With this design I can make a complete transformer in about 2 days, as opposed to about a month or so if I make them all G1 style. So believe it or not, making them more complicated will take less time.

sekse wrote:yes, turbosquid has models. But i don't need cars and such, I need people to help make the actual robots.

They have Transformers, that transform...

Geez... do some research before you type please.

Kalon wrote:

sekse wrote:yes, turbosquid has models. But i don't need cars and such, I need people to help make the actual robots.

They have Transformers, that transform...

Geez... do some research before you type please.

Calm down dude the guy needs support not constant negative comments. How would you like it if you had a dream youd love to make a reality but everyone was putting you down about it every five minutes.

I know i did at first but now i respect the guy for trying to make this movie all by his self, so shut up or be nice. And your sig sucks.

Yes, KOLON, they have transformers that transform, I thought i covered that, but obviously not clear enough for the kiddies. The transformers they have either A: totally suck, or B: are not free. Remember, this film has a budget of 0, I can not afford to pay hundreds of dollars apiece for the 2 dozen models I plan to use in the movie.

Here's what I am thinking. I think I should make the robots look more modern, like the Dreamworks movie, to appeal to the movie fans who either A: don't know anything about G1, or B: are sick of hearing us G1 fans whine about the movie not being G1. Then the storyline and characters closely reflect G1 to bring it back to the new transformers fans, giving them a taste of what we grew up with.

Also, Sonray was absolutely right, you can NOT make a G1 robot look real because the only way to model them is after the toys, not the cartoons, because the cartoons shrunk and morphed the body panels to make everything to the right proportions, like bumblebee's front end shrunk when it became his feet or he would look like Bozo the f***ing clown. And ratchets legs being a whole back half of an ambulance, those things would be HUGE!

As I said, making them after the toys, they're gonna look like toys, and I may as well just be doing a fan art Robot Chicken episode. I want to show off a little and make a high quality movie everyone will want to watch, not just a handful of nostalgic fans. But being a G1 fan, I want it close to G1. Bottom line, if dreamworks used the same names, same faces, same alt. modes, same story line, just different robot modes, you all would be happy, so why can't you guys be happy with someone else doing it?

Whoa whoa 2 dozen characters?

That's a little bit overkill isn't it?

With that many characters there would be little to no character development.

Shouldn't it focus on two small groups?

Autobots:
Optimus Prime
Prowl
Bumblebee
Cliffjumper
Skyfire
Wheeljack
Ratchet

Decepticons:
Megatron
Starscream
Soundwave
Thundercracker
Skywarp
Constructicons

Any groups bigger then that would just be leave the movie cluttered and left without no character development

There will be character development. 9 of the characters will be built within the movie (these being the constructicons and combaticons) Aside from those 2 groups, just the initial transformers from the first episode of the cartoon will be present.

EDIT:
Correction, 32 anticipated characters. 23 at start, and these are the basic ones. Prime, Ratchet, ironhide, wheeljack, bumblebee, jazz, cliffjumper, hound, trailbreaker, mirage, sunstreaker, sideswipe, prowl and maybe bluestreak, with megatron, soundwave and his 3 cassettes, and the jets being the initial cast. It took 3 15 minute episodes to develop all of those characters in the cartoon, so I am sure I can do it just as well here. Trust me, I got it covered The main thing I hated about the movie was the lack of the originals, so that is one thing I plan to correct in this movie.

I think if you want people to take you seriously, you should stop comparing it to the Michael Bay movie.

When you do that it looks like you are doing this out of bitterness.

I like this project and will support it, but I stick by my statement that having that many characters leaves the characters with no development, there will just be no time in the movie unless you have a 12 hour movie

Venomous Prime wrote:Whoa whoa 2 dozen characters?

That's a little bit overkill isn't it?

With that many characters there would be little to no character development.

Shouldn't it focus on two small groups?

Autobots:
Optimus Prime
Prowl
Bumblebee
Cliffjumper
Skyfire
Wheeljack
Ratchet

Decepticons:
Megatron
Starscream
Soundwave
Thundercracker
Skywarp
Constructicons

Any groups bigger then that would just be leave the movie cluttered and left without no character development

Erm...who needs character development? We ALL know how these characters act and what their backstory is and what their attitudes are like etc etc. Trying to have character development for characters that people have known about for nigh on 30 years is a bit uneccesary isnt it? Just get right into the action and get those bots tearing each other apart while leaving a wake of destruction. That is all we want isnt it?