The Energon Pub

I really liked seeing this new video. I wonder if it'll be on the 'extras' of the new Tf DVD?

Flashback wrote:I am a huge G1 fan.
I hated all of the preliminary designs, I hated the leaked scripts, I dreaded the movie.
Saw it yesterday, loved it. It was fun. It was exciting. It was Transformers.

This only gives you away as easy to impress. "oooh, big screen ! Ooooh, flashy effects ! Ooooh, loud noise !"
You know what ? Forget about the designs. They're secondary. Tertiary, even. What really matters is the story. And this movie really has none. The only genre where that could be tolerated would be comedy. Is that what Transformers is to you ? A big joke ? Why even waste time on a joke ?

Flashback wrote:The difference between you and I is that you seem hell bent on spilling your bile everywhere, you're so completely invested in your own opinion that you would never ALLOW yourself to enjoy the movie. Seriously, 'abhorrent'? 'Disgusted'? Where's your achievement beyond attacking people who enjoy themselves? You're sanctimonius, a flamer, and a waste of space.

Achievement ? I didn't know that this was supposed to be a contest. What's yours ?

And you are clearly not understanding me. There is nothing to be enjoyed here. Am I supposed to abandon what I know to be true just because it would be easier to be silent ? Am I supposed to stop fighting just because I can't win ? Should I start lying to myself just so I fit the marketing ?

Creature SH wrote:This only gives you away as easy to impress. "oooh, big screen ! Ooooh, flashy effects ! Ooooh, loud noise !"
You know what ? Forget about the designs. They're secondary. Tertiary, even. What really matters is the story. And this movie really has none. The only genre where that could be tolerated would be comedy. Is that what Transformers is to you ? A big joke ? Why even waste time on a joke ?

Well, jokes are fun, so that's all you really need in a movie about giant robots fighting. Creature SH, seriously, just pull the stick out of your ass and lighten up. Stop bashing people just because they have different expectations from this movie than you do. Seriously, saying Flashback is "easy to impress" because he enjoyed the movie? I think you need to come down of your pedestal a little bit, and while you're at it, take Transformers off the high one you've set it on, as well. This is Transformers, man, not the freaking Ark of the Covenant.

Apex Convoy wrote:Well, jokes are fun, so that's all you really need in a movie about giant robots fighting.

So that's all there is to it, eh ?
For all these years, for all these fans, for all the time invested, the stories written, the art, the work... It's all to be summed up in three words. "Giant robots fighting". I guess Transformers is not worth a second thought, then. It's empty, it's soulless, it's flat, it's cheap, it's crap.

This website is pointless. It should just be a gallery of pictures of giant robots fighting. Silly Seibertron.

I don't recall ever using the word fanboy. My goal certainly isn't to belittle anyone, either. I just find all this praise of a very bad thing revolting and unbelievable.

And I certainly won't break my boycott just so I can find out what I know already.

Stalinglad wrote:Cool. Well at least calling people blind. Which is kind of what fanboys are. I'm no fan of fanboys either.

Blind ? When one gives me reason to think so. "Look at the green sky" situations.

Stalinglad wrote: Would you review the movie of To Kill a Mockingbird based on pictures of Gregory Peck and reading the novel?

No. But if I had the script and a few sources to confirm that the movie sticks to it, I could form an opinion about whether or not there is enough potential to make it worth seeing.

So what's the problem again ?

Creature SH wrote:

Apex Convoy wrote:Well, jokes are fun, so that's all you really need in a movie about giant robots fighting.

So that's all there is to it, eh ?
For all these years, for all these fans, for all the time invested, the stories written, the art, the work... It's all to be summed up in three words. "Giant robots fighting". I guess Transformers is not worth a second thought, then. It's empty, it's soulless, it's flat, it's cheap, it's crap.

This website is pointless. It should just be a gallery of pictures of giant robots fighting. Silly Seibertron.

For a franchise's introductory movie for the masses, yes, all you really need is the basics of Transformers. Sentient robots fighting each other. Sequels are for fleshing out the mythos.

Stalinglad wrote:(...) Otherwise you're just repeating yourself.

I know... do you have any idea how sick I am of it ? It's not like it was fun to argue about this everyday.

But nobody seems to get my point (That this movie is bad for Transformers as a whole, that it will do more damage than good and that it will bury the past and thus all potential for the future), so I keep re-iterating over and over and over and over...

I can't just stop now. That would make me nothing but a traitor who doesn't even try to fight.

Creature SH wrote:
This only gives you away as easy to impress. "oooh, big screen ! Ooooh, flashy effects ! Ooooh, loud noise !"
You know what ? Forget about the designs. They're secondary. Tertiary, even. What really matters is the story. And this movie really has none. The only genre where that could be tolerated would be comedy. Is that what Transformers is to you ? A big joke ? Why even waste time on a joke ?

What? Story not important in Comedy? WHAT?! I don't.. you don't... what?? Ohhh... I get it... 'All this shows is that you don't have a sense of humour'. seriously. sorry to provoke you, you can go back to analysing Transformers as a cutting commentary of the times or whatever the hell you think it is beyond a commercial for toys that every now and again a talented writer drifts into and we get a good story (Beast Wars, Superlink etc).

Story is VERY important in comedy. Easily more important than in an action movie. And the idea that this movie, that appeals to nontransformers fans and deposits a lovely little pile of cash in the laps of those responsible for developing and distributing Transformers products, will hurt the franchise is dense. The shallow plot in this movie will not send the plots of all future transformers series into a backwards motion, any more than Micron densetsu 'ruined' superlink.

I should've said "depth" when I said "story". Granted.

And to think that Hasbro won't go and change things about Transformers until it's exactly like the movie is foolish. It's standard practice in pop culture properties.

A live-action movie should've unleashed the full potential of the franchise. Instead, it drags it down to the realm of piss jokes framed with t&a. I just don't understand how you can tolerate that.

Creature SH wrote: this movie is bad for Transformers as a whole, that it will do more damage than good and that it will bury the past and thus all potential for the future

Making all kinds of money and bringing world wide attention is bad? Last I checked it's a good thing. Your opinion and argument are fine, it's your logic I don't get. Again, just cuz a few fans don't like what's going on, doesn't mean it'll kill the franchise. The more money it makes, liking what's going on or not, is gonna guarantee that it's gonna be around for a very long time.

The bad part is that Bay's boomsplosionpoopyboobsmwaha approach is going to replace any semblance of character and depth.

Creature SH wrote:The bad part is that Bay's boomsplosionpoopyboobsmwaha approach is going to replace any semblance of character and depth.

Dude. Have you actually watched G1 lately? The show had almost no character and/or depth. All characterization is done in the first damn episode and everything after that was just a bunch of episodes with laserbeams and bad plot devices....So at the very least, I'd say the movie is on par with what G1/RID/Armada/Energon/Cybertron set up.

"G1" was more than the TV show.

Creature SH wrote:"G1" was more than the TV show.

To some. But to most who didn't even know there was a comic it wasn't.

Bay's determined to take all the credit, so I'll gladly let him have all the blame, too.

But you can view the name as a collective term. It's just easier to write.