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Postby Burn » Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:19 pm

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Well there's not much more of a connection between TF and Spider-Man is there?


Only one tiny comic book issue
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And also the current New Avengers/Transformers cross-over, but I think most people want to forget that.

So if people are going to be coming forward with custom faction symbols, why not make them awarded?

Leave the canon symbols as core selectable and if a person wants to use their custom symbols then they should get them through earning them either via tournament awards or achieving certain criteria (kills etc).
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Postby Chaoslock » Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:24 pm

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I also need to find the insignias for the Helic Republic, Guylos Empire, and Zenevas/Neo-Zenevas Empires


The google dropped this out:
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Postby craggy » Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:25 pm

love the CobraCon symbol!
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Postby Tammuz » Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:28 pm

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Thar's my Eisen Dragoon symbol! Definately a must have for me! :grin:
I keep telling them it's EISEN dragoons!

and yes i want the zoid faction ones too. but i'm lazy so only did the zenebas one;

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Postby Chaoslock » Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:28 pm

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Burn wrote:
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Well there's not much more of a connection between TF and Spider-Man is there?


Only one tiny comic book issue
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And also the current New Avengers/Transformers cross-over, but I think most people want to forget that.

So if people are going to be coming forward with custom faction symbols, why not make them awarded?

Leave the canon symbols as core selectable and if a person wants to use their custom symbols then they should get them through earning them either via tournament awards or achieving certain criteria (kills etc).


On second tought, not a bad idea... Now where did I put my Rexcon sign?
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Postby Archanubis » Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:33 pm

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Chaoslock wrote:
Burn wrote:Leave the canon symbols as core selectable and if a person wants to use their custom symbols then they should get them through earning them either via tournament awards or achieving certain criteria (kills etc).


On second tought, not a bad idea... Now where did I put my Rexcon sign?

I like the kills idea.
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Postby Phasewing » Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:00 pm

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(I know Mkall made one, i'm just putting up the one I made...)

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Postby Kryptikore » Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:03 pm

Well I was holding on to this design for my new signature until V2, but I figured why not early presentation if it makes it in the game. So I ask if one of you could make this up for me, and mind you yes I'm turning con! Been planning it since april! I just got photoshop CS2 like a week ago, but haven't figured out everything yet. So you can also PM me on how to do one. The design was also going to play on a story I'm working on for the side switch for V2. So it could be the "Slayers of the Decepticons", But I think "Decepticon Maniacs" would suit me fine :grin: Or as a specific group called "The Krygon"
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Postby Burn » Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:40 pm

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oooo I like that. Has a bit of a battle helmet feel to it.
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Postby Symbiote Spiderman14 » Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:48 pm

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Postby Dr. Caelus » Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:51 pm

Burn wrote:Leave the canon symbols as core selectable and if a person wants to use their custom symbols then they should get them through earning them either via tournament awards or achieving certain criteria (kills etc).


In other words, you want to use a custom symbol for your team, but you don't want to have to share it with everyone else.

I can't say that I can fault you for that, but I think if people are okay with their custom insignia being widely available, they should be fair game. Certainly the Reprolabels emblems should be.

I know its supposed to be a competitive game etc. but I don't see a great need to turn everything into a competition, or an opportunity for the small group of the best players to show off their superiority (valid though it may be) in seven different ways.
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Postby Burn » Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:09 pm

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Caelus wrote:In other words, you want to use a custom symbol for your team, but you don't want to have to share it with everyone else.


The way I said it it may have come across like that. But it's not quite how I intended it.

I just feel that all custom faction symbols should be a "reward" of sorts.

On one hand I don't think it's fair that someone goes to the effort of coming up with an idea for a faction symbol, having it made up, and then being made available to all. Kinda loses the prestige a bit.

But on the other hand, I see it as people being dedicated to the game and having that dedication shown.

And if you make the custom faction logos as rewards then people can "wear" them and display them with pride and stand out from the rest of their faction.

I mean we have certain alts that are rewards so why not faction symbols?

And I can't see there being much animosity amongst members if Player A creates the faction symbol and Player B uses it. Player B would obviously choose to use it because they like it, so they would obviously have something in common with Player A so they should get along.

Besides, Player A shouldn't really get upset, if they give permission to the powers-that-be then they give them the right to use it any way they see fit. Of course if it's used in a derogatory manner then Player A can get upset, but if they don't like a certain person using it then they need to accept that they gave permission for it to essentially be public domain.

Look at the CATalyst alt, it was based on my character and my kitbash, the alt mode icon was created by (I think, apologies to anyone else if i'm wrong here) Mkall. I liked it, I pushed for it's inclusion and it was included. I didn't like Mkall's categorisation of it and said so and Mkall took that on board and changed it. But if someone's using it that I don't like then I can't jump up and down and say "I want that alt mode removed because so-and-so is using it and I hate their guts and want them to die!" because I wanted it included in the game for all to use.

So yeah, all that babbling aside, people submitting custom faction symbols need to accept that however they're implemented (preferably as rewards to mark achievements) that they're in the game for anyone to gain access to.

And I really don't see why people who make the effort to play the game and to achieve things shouldn't be entitled to "show off". If that's the case then all those plans for a rankings system should be abandoned (if it hasn't been already)
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Postby Mogwai Prime » Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:28 pm

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I think the Icons are an awesome Idea even the custom ones...

Maybe a team could have a "Trophy Case" of the Icons he's scored a kill on. Would kind of give a "Badge of Honor/Dishonor" feel to it. Give players a way to see who they've taken down maybe even put a multiplier number under the Icon to say how many times you've taken out someone from that team. Just throwin in my 2 cents.

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Postby Raphael Prime » Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:29 pm

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Postby Phasewing » Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:59 pm

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Postby Waylander » Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:06 am

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didn't have alot of time tonight,but could someone help me out with this idea,a spade with a con sign in it,it's a twist on a old military unit i was in.
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you could also make a
bot one with a hart=good guys
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if you think they fit, TY

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Postby Dr. Caelus » Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:24 am

Burn wrote:And I really don't see why people who make the effort to play the game and to achieve things shouldn't be entitled to "show off". If that's the case then all those plans for a rankings system should be abandoned (if it hasn't been already)


Okay, general observation here: Almost every time a new idea is suggested for something cool, that everyone would like to enjoy, someone says (and I paraphrase) 'hey, it should be an award for pwning everyone else'. So, basically, the list of things that 'should be awards' only granted to the most dedicated players keeps growing, and they're all geared towards comorbid conditions (I think we can all agree that there is a high correlation amongst mission wins, kills, and tournament victories).

So what you wind up with is a game in which the 10% smartest and most dedicated players get noncanon subfaction icons, triplechangers, custom weapons, custom altmodes, special minicons, extra character slots... etc. And the rest of us just get the core package.

So, in short, you want to pimp the fact that your troops rock? That's good for you - taking pride in good work and all that - but I think their place on the Highscores table should do that. Or their medals/rankings. Or their custom/prize alternate modes. Or their custom weapons. Or their triplechanger configuration. I think their badassness is well established without them having to monopolize the subfaction emblems, or whatever the next cool/sexy/useful gimmick that comes up is.

Every cool thing that comes up doesn't need to be an award.
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Postby steve2275 » Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:31 am

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Symbiote Spiderman14 wrote:how about something like this
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I can't make these things



If we can get that then how bout this too..
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lol :grin:


And what connection is there between Transformers and TMNT?

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Postby Knives » Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:39 am

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Caelus wrote:
Burn wrote:And I really don't see why people who make the effort to play the game and to achieve things shouldn't be entitled to "show off". If that's the case then all those plans for a rankings system should be abandoned (if it hasn't been already)


Okay, general observation here: Almost every time a new idea is suggested for something cool, that everyone would like to enjoy, someone says (and I paraphrase) 'hey, it should be an award for pwning everyone else'. So, basically, the list of things that 'should be awards' only granted to the most dedicated players keeps growing, and they're all geared towards comorbid conditions (I think we can all agree that there is a high correlation amongst mission wins, kills, and tournament victories).

So what you wind up with is a game in which the 10% smartest and most dedicated players get noncanon subfaction icons, triplechangers, custom weapons, custom altmodes, special minicons, extra character slots... etc. And the rest of us just get the core package.

So, in short, you want to pimp the fact that your troops rock? That's good for you - taking pride in good work and all that - but I think their place on the Highscores table should do that. Or their medals/rankings. Or their custom/prize alternate modes. Or their custom weapons. Or their triplechanger configuration. I think their badassness is well established without them having to monopolize the subfaction emblems, or whatever the next cool/sexy/useful gimmick that comes up is.

Every cool thing that comes up doesn't need to be an award.


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Postby Burn » Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:41 am

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Okay, so you don't like the idea of them being "badges of honour" so to speak.

We all create our own teams, is it so much to ask that we be allowed to display our own (sub-)faction symbols to signify we are our own fan created individual teams?

So try this.

The ability for a person to submit their own faction symbol for their own use.

Have a list of canon faction symbols a person can use, but if they have their own give them the ability to submit it so that they and only they can use it.

Submissions would have to meet certain guidelines and obviously not contain any offensive material.

How does that sound?
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Postby Kryptikore » Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:45 am

Phasewing wrote:Would've posted this sooner but I had to log off real fast earlier.

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Postby Spiritimus Prime » Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:17 am

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Since I don't know how to make a symbol of my own, can some make this for my Dragonbots. Just needs the Maximal symbol in the middle.

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Postby Kaijubot » Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:04 am

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Postby Phasewing » Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:36 am

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Spiritimus Prime wrote:Since I don't know how to make a symbol of my own, can some make this for my Dragonbots. Just needs the Maximal symbol in the middle.

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Uhm, wow... awfully detailed image there, dontcha think? Well, I tried to have a go at it, hope it's something to your liking, Spirit?

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Postby Mulla » Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:20 am

Still trying to get this one into the Emoticon list, but if it can be incorporated into HMW, just as good. :grin:

Mkall made it:

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