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kaijuguy19 wrote:Even if they did come out with a reboot there's still going to be people who are going to complain and have problems with it one way or another even if they're better made. We'll still have people who'll gripe on about how they're not as blocky or G1,how they don't have alt modes that are accurate to G1 and in some instances we'd still have critics who'll still scoff at the idea of giant robots leading the movie I mean from what I've read it happened before in the 86 movie. Also keep in mind that the people behind the reboot may make it not any better then the current ones or else even worse. As much as Bay gets a lot of flak from the movie industry in America and the geek fandom in general there are FAR worse directors out there.
Besides the spin offs may not even happen for the current movies since the current series seems to be losing steam. Yeah China's move goers were able to help AOE but that doesn't mean it'll be the same for the fifth and sixth installments. If they do have plans to do a spin off series it would be best to save it for the reboot series.
ricemazter wrote:kaijuguy19 wrote:Even if they did come out with a reboot there's still going to be people who are going to complain and have problems with it one way or another even if they're better made. We'll still have people who'll gripe on about how they're not as blocky or G1,how they don't have alt modes that are accurate to G1 and in some instances we'd still have critics who'll still scoff at the idea of giant robots leading the movie I mean from what I've read it happened before in the 86 movie. Also keep in mind that the people behind the reboot may make it not any better then the current ones or else even worse. As much as Bay gets a lot of flak from the movie industry in America and the geek fandom in general there are FAR worse directors out there.
Besides the spin offs may not even happen for the current movies since the current series seems to be losing steam. Yeah China's move goers were able to help AOE but that doesn't mean it'll be the same for the fifth and sixth installments. If they do have plans to do a spin off series it would be best to save it for the reboot series.
Just because it might be worse or people will complain doesn't mean we can't hope for something better in the future. People complaining, as I'm doing now, is a universal constant, which doesn't mean they shouldn't try again. If we're going by that logic, why bother making any movies in the first place? They do have the power to control what it is people complain about, though. Me in particular I actually don't mind a lot of the robot designs, aside from mudflap and skids. My gripe is that the movies aren't actually about the transformers, and that we can't have a fight scene without cutting to Marky Mark.
Also, today's climate is a lot more accepting of this kind of thing than they used to be. Dubious source material is no excuse for poor quality, and we're getting a Marvel movie where a man in a robot suit, super patriot, green monster, purple robin hood, scarlette johansson, and sam jackson team up with a talking racoon, space wrestler, green lady, an ent, and chris pratt to fight over some magic rocks. If a talking raccoon can woo critics I have faith that a sentient robot can at least make them ambivalent.
Only because the retail stores order so much movie product and very little Generations by comparison that the Generations stuff sells out first because there's so little of it to keep on the shelves. Meanwhile, the movie stuff is constantly replenished on the shelves thanks to the stores having so much of it in stock. The stores wanna sell movie stuff more than Generations because they have a greater interest in the movie stuff than they do Generations.1984forever wrote:From what I'm hearing (correct me if I'm wrong), is that Generations sells out while Bayformers tends to shelfwarm.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
From what I have seen over the past 6 years is that the movie stuff is simply rearranged to keep it neat, not replenished. I remember seeing the same old leftover characters on the shelves. Certain Bayformers went down in fandom history as notorious shelfwarmers.Sabrblade wrote:Only because the retail stores order so much movie product and very little Generations by comparison that the Generations stuff sells out first because there's so little of it to keep on the shelves. Meanwhile, the movie stuff is constantly replenished on the shelves thanks to the stores having so much of it in stock. The stores wanna sell movie stuff more than Generations because they have a greater interest in the movie stuff than they do Generations.1984forever wrote:From what I'm hearing (correct me if I'm wrong), is that Generations sells out while Bayformers tends to shelfwarm.
Sabrblade wrote:They... They already have a cinematic universe, and which only works thanks to John Barber making everything that needs to fit together, well, fit together (since the movies themselves and alone couldn't bother to do that).
Hmm, well, to be perfectly fair, Simon Furman did some of the patch jobs too, like explaining what happened to Barricade when he vanished in the first movie, or how Bumblebee lost his voice again between Movie 1 and ROTF. Barber's patches, however, were more thorough.Nemesis Primal wrote:Is anyone else concerned about what an increase in movies might mean for the cartoons (and their toylines)?Sabrblade wrote:They... They already have a cinematic universe, and which only works thanks to John Barber making everything that needs to fit together, well, fit together (since the movies themselves and alone couldn't bother to do that).
Let that sink in for a moment. John Barber, who has has no connection to the film production, is the one who was slapping band-aids on the continuity.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
UltraPrimal wrote:I'll kill myself if they do a Beast Wars movie. I'd rather die than see them mutilate BW the way they did G1. jk, sort of.
But seriously, I hope they don't do anything related to Beast Wars. The movies are already so far removed from anything resembling the Transformers brand, I've started to not recognize them as Transformers movies. They just cheap, bastardized Hollywood knock-offs. No more related to the actual Transformers franchise than "TransMorphers".
UltraPrimal wrote:I'll kill myself if they do a Beast Wars movie. I'd rather die than see them mutilate BW the way they did G1. jk, sort of.
But seriously, I hope they don't do anything related to Beast Wars. The movies are already so far removed from anything resembling the Transformers brand, I've started to not recognize them as Transformers movies. They just cheap, bastardized Hollywood knock-offs. No more related to the actual Transformers franchise than "TransMorphers".
You'd rather we did get a movie with Optimus Primal eating junk off his gorilla butt than to not see him so disgraced?MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:I would actually enjoy a BW movie... bad BW is better than no BW. Unless it's just a bunch of made up characters that resemble the RiD15 Decepticons, then it'd be trash (not knocking RiD, it just wouldn't be suitable for BW)
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
kaijuguy19 wrote:UltraPrimal wrote:I'll kill myself if they do a Beast Wars movie. I'd rather die than see them mutilate BW the way they did G1. jk, sort of.
But seriously, I hope they don't do anything related to Beast Wars. The movies are already so far removed from anything resembling the Transformers brand, I've started to not recognize them as Transformers movies. They just cheap, bastardized Hollywood knock-offs. No more related to the actual Transformers franchise than "TransMorphers".
I'm not seeing how the TF movies are so far removed from the TF brand anymore then how series like Beast Wars,Beast Machines and the planned Transtech series were like which were so drastically different from what G1 was. Aside from the more alien designs well most of them anyway since we do have more humanoid ones as well the movies do take a good amount of inspiration and elements from the franchise in terms of design,story elements and ideas while at the same time doing new takes on some of them. Not everything has to be strongly based in G1 which series like the RID anime,Unicron Trilogy and Prime and RID15 have shown. Even Animated which has strong G1 homages manages to do things that are drastically different at times too. Not saying every that the movies have done were well made but what they're doing isn't really that different from the other series that came after G1.
Sabrblade wrote:You'd rather we did get a movie with Optimus Primal eating junk off his gorilla butt than to not see him so disgraced?MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:I would actually enjoy a BW movie... bad BW is better than no BW. Unless it's just a bunch of made up characters that resemble the RiD15 Decepticons, then it'd be trash (not knocking RiD, it just wouldn't be suitable for BW)
ricemazter wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Noideaforaname wrote:So a franchise that totally ignores it's own continuity and needed to rely on China last time is trying to ape another studio that has the next decade planned out?
What could possibly go wrong?
When did it ignore its continuity?
The movies themselves have been ignoring continuity for a while now. For example, between the third and second movies, the specifics of whatever megatron's plans were which have been in the works for millions of years are all over the place. First he wants to use the allspark to make a transformer army, which he does by chasing the allspark into space. Then somehow we find out he's been in contact with an extra dimensional being all that time working on a different plan to consume the earth's sun to fuel the young transformer army he apparently already had. Then, on top of that he's been in league with the former autobot leader all this time to bring cybertron to earth and use humanity as slave labor. How he had all of these going on simultaneously makes no sense to me.
The most egregious example is AOE. All this time, IDW comics have generally been filling in the plot holes, but AOE tells us that instead of the transformer race being created by the dynasty of primes using the allspark to create the transformers in order to set up solar harvesters to continually fuel the cube and cybertron, they were instead made by a completely different race of aliens who used bombs to turn planet surfaces into the transformium metal, harvested said metal, and physically built them. Never mind all the stuff about the knights conflicting somewhat with the idea of the original primes. How the new information fits with the old, if at all, is completely up in the air at this point.
kaijuguy19 wrote:UltraPrimal wrote:I'll kill myself if they do a Beast Wars movie. I'd rather die than see them mutilate BW the way they did G1. jk, sort of.
But seriously, I hope they don't do anything related to Beast Wars. The movies are already so far removed from anything resembling the Transformers brand, I've started to not recognize them as Transformers movies. They just cheap, bastardized Hollywood knock-offs. No more related to the actual Transformers franchise than "TransMorphers".
I'm not seeing how the TF movies are so far removed from the TF brand anymore then how series like Beast Wars,Beast Machines and the planned Transtech series were like which were so drastically different from what G1 was. Aside from the more alien designs well most of them anyway since we do have more humanoid ones as well the movies do take a good amount of inspiration and elements from the franchise in terms of design,story elements and ideas while at the same time doing new takes on some of them. Not everything has to be strongly based in G1 which series like the RID anime,Unicron Trilogy and Prime and RID15 have shown. Even Animated which has strong G1 homages manages to do things that are drastically different at times too. Not saying every that the movies have done were well made but what they're doing isn't really that different from the other series that came after G1.
BlueBefore wrote:Films on Cybertron and even Beast Wars films being live action makes no sense from an economic standpoint and Akiva has written some fairly competent films like Batman Forever and Cinderella Man.
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MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:BlueBefore wrote:Films on Cybertron and even Beast Wars films being live action makes no sense from an economic standpoint and Akiva has written some fairly competent films like Batman Forever and Cinderella Man.
Okay, I'm not even going to read the rest of the thread. You think Batman Forever was competent? I have to believe you are trolling with this one. Seriously, you just null and voided your own opinions.
Wow, somebody has an opposing opinion from yours... let's be demeaning!
Ironhidensh wrote:BlueBefore wrote:Films on Cybertron and even Beast Wars films being live action makes no sense from an economic standpoint and Akiva has written some fairly competent films like Batman Forever and Cinderella Man.
Okay, I'm not even going to read the rest of the thread. You think Batman Forever was competent? I have to believe you are trolling with this one. Seriously, you just null and voided your own opinions.
UltraPrimal wrote:kaijuguy19 wrote:UltraPrimal wrote:I'll kill myself if they do a Beast Wars movie. I'd rather die than see them mutilate BW the way they did G1. jk, sort of.
But seriously, I hope they don't do anything related to Beast Wars. The movies are already so far removed from anything resembling the Transformers brand, I've started to not recognize them as Transformers movies. They just cheap, bastardized Hollywood knock-offs. No more related to the actual Transformers franchise than "TransMorphers".
I'm not seeing how the TF movies are so far removed from the TF brand anymore then how series like Beast Wars,Beast Machines and the planned Transtech series were like which were so drastically different from what G1 was. Aside from the more alien designs well most of them anyway since we do have more humanoid ones as well the movies do take a good amount of inspiration and elements from the franchise in terms of design,story elements and ideas while at the same time doing new takes on some of them. Not everything has to be strongly based in G1 which series like the RID anime,Unicron Trilogy and Prime and RID15 have shown. Even Animated which has strong G1 homages manages to do things that are drastically different at times too. Not saying every that the movies have done were well made but what they're doing isn't really that different from the other series that came after G1.
I just look at how they've mishandled every character they've put in the movies. Exponentially so with every sequel. Take movie "Optimus" as a prime example. First movie: OK. Fairly faithful representation of the character. Now, flash forward to Dark of the Moon. Optimus MURDERS his father AND his brother after they tried to restore their home planet. Yeah, they were probably going to wreck Earth to do it, but if we were in the same situation, we'd do the exact same thing. And he didn't have to kill them. They were beaten. They could have gotten NEST to use some freeze guns on them or something and imprison them. As we've seen, Transformers are susceptible to cold in the movie universe.(Although they have no problem flying through space?) Megatron even said he wanted peace.
Every other Optimus from G1 to BW to Armada to Animated would all have given Megatron a chance. At least in the first movie when he kills Megatron he says, "You left me no choice, brother." Because in that movie it was very cut and dry. Autobots are the good guys and Decepticons are the bad guys. Optimus is good. He has regret. When he kills Megatron in DOTM, he says nothing. Why? Because he's a psychotic murdering nutbag who just killed the people try to save his world.
And in the first movie, doesn't Optimus say something about how they don't harm humans? In AOE he just straight up blasts Kelsey Grammar. Yeah, it was to save Marky Mark. But jeez! I mean, he couldn't do anything else to help him? His gun doesn't have stun setting? No, of course it doesn't. This is a Michael Bay movie after all. It only fires burning-hot, fiery explosions.
I shutter to think what they'd do to Optimus Primal. "Oh, he's a gorilla? Well, the only gorillas I've seen are the ones in the movie Congo. So let's make him a crazy murderous gorilla like that... What? The original character was a peaceful explorer? Enjoyed studying plants and reading books? That must be a mistake. That's probably the bio for our villain." But I know the worst thing I can think of will probably pale in comparison to whatever they actually come up with.
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