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News Credits: 56 · by **o.supreme** » Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:43 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:The only way I could see that working is if it acted like a preview of sorts for the next season.

Yes I guess it would have to be. Although everything else from wave 1 and 2 was specific to Siege. (well now I guess an Earthmode Soundwave would be the other exception as well) I figure Netflix Earthrise will have repaints from ER (and a couple new surprises perhaps), and same for Kingdom. The packaging I imagine would stay the same, just muted black/white versions of the line they are duplicating.

So basically "Earthrise" Bumblebee and Soundwave got hijacked by Walmart for use in their Siege Line to Promote Siege Netflix, :HEADHURTS:

. My other thought could have been that Elita-1 was going to be a Selects perhaps, but fortuitously just happened to work in the series favor.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:46 pm

It should be noted that the Netflix line does not actually say "Siege" anywhere on its packaging.

News Credits: 56 · by **o.supreme** » Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:52 pm

A picture is worth a thousand words

News Credits: 17 · by **AcademyofDrX** » Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:51 pm

o.supreme wrote:I just wonder if not for the Netflix show if BB and Elita-1 would have been regular Earthrise or Siege releases...??

Add to that the rumors that ER will end after three retail waves, plus the rumors of Inferno and other G1 vehicles, and it definitely seems like the release schedule was scrambled for one reason or another. Of course, WfC has had a less explicit conceptual division between it's lines compared to, say, Combiner Wars versus Titans Return.

News Credits: 1642 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:15 pm

84everfan wrote:Red alerts siren axe is Badass. That is all.

Fixed that for you

News Credits: 17 · by **AcademyofDrX** » Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:27 pm

o.supreme wrote:Yeah the Spoiler Box #2 is puzzling. I think a Black Galaxy Prime is the best guess I've seen. But then again, that character never appeared in the series so...

The product information text says the transformation takes 34 steps. Galaxy Prime takes 44, while Earthrise Prime takes 35. A Nemesis Prime based on the ER mold is more likely.

News Credits: 56 · by **o.supreme** » Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:34 pm

AcademyofDrX wrote:
o.supreme wrote:Yeah the Spoiler Box #2 is puzzling. I think a Black Galaxy Prime is the best guess I've seen. But then again, that character never appeared in the series so...

The product information text says the transformation takes 34 steps. Galaxy Prime takes 44, while Earthrise Prime takes 35. A Nemesis Prime based on the ER mold is more likely.

It's possible, but would be a huge waste IMHO. ER Prime mold has already been reused for the Amazon Exclusive "AU" Prime, and the cab portion is being released as a Voyager in that same Netflix wave 2. Galaxy Prime, Astrotrain, and Doubledealer are the leaders that haven't been reused yet. The Giza clue certainly strongly implies that this will be a Nemesis Prime of some sort, but it would be way better if they made a nemesis version of Galaxy Prime over using ER Prime yet again. Just my thoughts though.

News Credits: 17 · by **AcademyofDrX** » Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:44 pm

I'm not weighing in on what they should do but what it looks like they're doing. The Netflix WFC Prime would be the same mold but a different character, and that's normal for a Transformers line.

News Credits: 4838 · by **william-james88** » Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:07 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:It was quite interesting, the way it first seemed was the Netflix line was nothing but redecos, the odd new character (Scrap Face) but wave 2 gave us the first two retools (also the only pair to have no battle damage on them) then there's this new leader that we don't know much about.

We have 3 retools in wave 2: BB, Elita and Soundwave.

MyFigureCollection.net collection · by **Emerje** » Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:57 pm

AcademyofDrX wrote:
o.supreme wrote:Yeah the Spoiler Box #2 is puzzling. I think a Black Galaxy Prime is the best guess I've seen. But then again, that character never appeared in the series so...

The product information text says the transformation takes 34 steps. Galaxy Prime takes 44, while Earthrise Prime takes 35. A Nemesis Prime based on the ER mold is more likely.

Actually There is a way to convert GU Prime to truck in 34 steps and it's right on the box. The first spoiler set says "This Ultra Magnus toy converts to armored truck mode in 26 steps" yet there is no 26 on the back of the standard UM box, to get 26 you have to take bot to truck (12 steps) and then add the trailer (14 steps) to get 26.

But you can't use the same trick to get to the advertised 44 steps for GU Prime meaning the number is wrong.

However, the new Spoiler box simply says "converts to vehicle mode in 34 steps", it doesn't say which vehicle mode and you CAN do that many steps on the back of GU Prime's box using their method for UM if you go from armored robot to basic robot (21 steps) to truck cab (13 steps equaling 34) without the trailer.

Plus it makes more sense to give this figure its second use ever instead of using the ER mold a second time in the same Netflix wave.

Emerje

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:25 am

william-james88 wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:It was quite interesting, the way it first seemed was the Netflix line was nothing but redecos, the odd new character (Scrap Face) but wave 2 gave us the first two retools (also the only pair to have no battle damage on them) then there's this new leader that we don't know much about.

We have 3 retools in wave 2: BB, Elita and Soundwave.

Sorry, I meant to say Deluxe class specifically :oops:

News Credits: 17 · by **AcademyofDrX** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:46 am

Emerje wrote:
AcademyofDrX wrote:
o.supreme wrote:Yeah the Spoiler Box #2 is puzzling. I think a Black Galaxy Prime is the best guess I've seen. But then again, that character never appeared in the series so...

The product information text says the transformation takes 34 steps. Galaxy Prime takes 44, while Earthrise Prime takes 35. A Nemesis Prime based on the ER mold is more likely.

Actually There is a way to convert GU Prime to truck in 34 steps and it's right on the box. The first spoiler set says "This Ultra Magnus toy converts to armored truck mode in 26 steps" yet there is no 26 on the back of the standard UM box, to get 26 you have to take bot to truck (12 steps) and then add the trailer (14 steps) to get 26.

But you can't use the same trick to get to the advertised 44 steps for GU Prime meaning the number is wrong.

However, the new Spoiler box simply says "converts to vehicle mode in 34 steps", it doesn't say which vehicle mode and you CAN do that many steps on the back of GU Prime's box using their method for UM if you go from armored robot to basic robot (21 steps) to truck cab (13 steps equaling 34) without the trailer.

Plus it makes more sense to give this figure its second use ever instead of using the ER mold a second time in the same Netflix wave.

Emerje

I'm using Hasbro's own numbering systems from their own promotional product descriptions, which has been consistent across all of their products. Why wouldn't they include the trailer as part of the transformation? What you're saying doesn't make any kind of sense.

You can want the figure to be GU Prime, but that's wishful thinking. It's not impossible, there's just no good evidence for it.

News Credits: 1642 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:52 am

I actually thought Emerje's logic made sense, and I would definitely prefer a Galaxy Prime to a 3rd Earthrise Prime. And to reiterate a point from earlier, I don't see them, in the same way, releasing 2 versions of the Earthrise Prime

News Credits: 17 · by **AcademyofDrX** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:19 am

Hope springs eternal! I'm a pessimist, I always try to prepare for not getting what I want so I'm pleasantly surprised instead of disappointed. Anyway, I'll concede, it could happen.

by **cruizerdave** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:20 am

It's 2020 and we're parts forming Bumblebee. :lol:

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:27 am

A Nemesis Prime from the ER mold would be that mold's second time in black and fourth use overall (ER, AU, Netflix, Netflix spoiler box).

A Nemesis Prime from the Siege GU mold would be that version of the mold's second use and would be a unique deco for that design since the original Cybertron Optimus never got colored anything other than red (outside of Lucky Draws, but which only came in gold, silver, or a one-of-a-kind green). There was never a "Black Galaxy Convoy"/"Galaxy Scourge" toy.

News Credits: 17 · by **AcademyofDrX** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:48 am

The Siege mold was used three times, including an alternate Prime deco and for Nemesis Prime. This debate basically boils down to this question: do you think Hasbro will continue to do what it has before (use the same transformation steps numbering convention, release a new Optimus semi mold as Nemesis) or something different (use a new numbering scheme for no good reason, resurrect an old Siege mold for the post-ER WFC line). I don't have a crystal ball, I just think in the absence of other evidence, things happen like they have before.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:53 am

AcademyofDrX wrote:resurrect an old Siege mold for the post-ER WFC line)

Wave 2 hasn't given up on Siege molds since it has Impactor, Red Alert, a retooled Soundwave, and three Siege Battle Masters.

News Credits: 17 · by **AcademyofDrX** » Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:32 am

Fair enough. We'll find out in October if not sooner.

MyFigureCollection.net collection · by **Emerje** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:52 am

AcademyofDrX wrote:
Emerje wrote:
AcademyofDrX wrote:
o.supreme wrote:Yeah the Spoiler Box #2 is puzzling. I think a Black Galaxy Prime is the best guess I've seen. But then again, that character never appeared in the series so...

The product information text says the transformation takes 34 steps. Galaxy Prime takes 44, while Earthrise Prime takes 35. A Nemesis Prime based on the ER mold is more likely.

Actually There is a way to convert GU Prime to truck in 34 steps and it's right on the box. The first spoiler set says "This Ultra Magnus toy converts to armored truck mode in 26 steps" yet there is no 26 on the back of the standard UM box, to get 26 you have to take bot to truck (12 steps) and then add the trailer (14 steps) to get 26.

But you can't use the same trick to get to the advertised 44 steps for GU Prime meaning the number is wrong.

However, the new Spoiler box simply says "converts to vehicle mode in 34 steps", it doesn't say which vehicle mode and you CAN do that many steps on the back of GU Prime's box using their method for UM if you go from armored robot to basic robot (21 steps) to truck cab (13 steps equaling 34) without the trailer.

Plus it makes more sense to give this figure its second use ever instead of using the ER mold a second time in the same Netflix wave.

Emerje

I'm using Hasbro's own numbering systems from their own promotional product descriptions, which has been consistent across all of their products. Why wouldn't they include the trailer as part of the transformation? What you're saying doesn't make any kind of sense.

You can want the figure to be GU Prime, but that's wishful thinking. It's not impossible, there's just no good evidence for it.

I feel like you never actually read what I wrote and just assumed it was wrong. You can go by the official Hasbro numbers, but that 44 doesn't exist in any combination at all on GU Prime's box. At all. 34 does. You are right, it doesn't make sense not to include the trailer, but it also doesn't make sense to originally say Sky Lynx comes with an Astroscope figure (and STILL have stores include it in their listings) or show the wrong figure mold CG on Bluestreak's box. Hasbro isn't infallible, they make dumb little mistakes like this all the time. I wouldn't base all my speculation just on that one number.

Emerje

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:51 am

I completely forgot the Astroscope mishap

News Credits: 100 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:16 am

I'd be down for a Nemesis Galaxy Convoy.

I had no reason to get the original Siege because I have the Galaxy Force Convoy. But a Nemesis one with battle damage, smoke, and whatnot would be totally bad-ass.