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Postby Pontimax 01 » Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:57 am

I think it fit his character well. The whole movie he was doing funny things. From the beginning on the used car lot, when he pretty much makes sure Sam ends up with him, to him screwing around with Sam while Mikaela was in the car, to his lubrication of Simmons. Bumblebee just had that kind of personality, and it was pretty constant through the movie. Maybe that's why I have no issues with it.

And I love a good potty joke.
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Postby AUTOBOT STITH » Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:07 am

Exactley like when BB was dancing with the music he was playing when Ops(Optimus) interdused him.
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Postby Alex Kingdom » Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:48 am

You're not the only one, it was moronic, out of character and in very bad taste. I personally cringed and felt embarrassed to be watching on a number of occations during the movie but that scene almost had me out of my chair and off home.

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Postby Auto Bot » Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:00 am

A bucket of lubricant don't come cheap these days.
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Postby syphonn » Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:06 am

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In the beginning when they spoke of the 'Allspark' and how if it fell into the wrong hands it could change the fate of the universe etc. etc. and that they searched the every planet etc. trying to find it. I feel like that whole statement was negated by most of their actions on earth, there just wasn't a sense of urgency, and that peeing scene didn't help any. Its not about how funny it was or wasn't, it just had no place in this movie
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Postby Bigchin » Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:42 am

It shouldn't have been in the film, but it was at least in character for Bumblebee, he's a cheeky little chap. I liked his pose as he did it - sort of an innocent 'whaaaaat?' stance - but surely the effects budget spent on that gag could have been diverted into something more worthwhile.

I had a bigger problem with the dumbass scene where all the Autobots stomp unnoticed around the suburbs.
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Postby AUTOBOT STITH » Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:22 pm

No what I ment was I think it was pretty cool when BB was dancing.
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Postby Snowtron » Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:47 am

its kind of like seeing your dog peeing or something but because hes not a robot hes not actually peeing hes only doing what he sees.
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Postby LT.Zerge » Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:33 am

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I almost chuckled. But it was more of a 'did he just do that?!? urrrgh" kinda laugh. like when you pity someones state to a point were you chuckle a bit at what they got themselves into (maybe that's just me)
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Postby Autobot032 » Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:55 am

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I thought it was funny.
It didn't detract from the film and gave a sense of lightness to the whole thing. (I want to be entertained and have fun, not be paying for depression...)
Bumblebee isn't the same character as the G1 version, this Bumblebee kicks ass and happens to be cool, funny, and endearing at the same time.

It's a real shame that people focus on a few off kilter segments and let them ruin the entire experience for them. It's kinda sad actually.

And you're right that the movie was aimed at a target audience: EVERYONE.

It provided entertainment for:

Adults (in general)
Fans (there were enough fanwanks to please, people just aren't willing to be gracious and say "Ya know what? I give 'em credit.")
Geeks (oh yeah, geeks comin' out of the woodwork!)
Kids (Bumblebee protected the boy throughout the film, he was brave and a hero. Kids tend to gravitate towards a more human superhero, and Bumblebee was as human as the TransFormers can get.)

And you know what all of these different types of people enjoy? (even to a certain extent) gross out humor.

It was just the TF world version of gross out humor.

And how can anyone not enjoy house scene with the Autobots? It's absolutely hilarious because they really have no sense of their size compared to our world. It was a gutbuster to watch Prime lean against the house and they all hide out. Prime stepping on the fountain? I laughed my head off!

Was it a perfect film? No.
Was it entertaining and fun? Yes.

It was meant to be lighthearted (in spots), goofy in others, and wall to wall action in the rest. It covered all the bases, from coming of age to romance to adventure to action to good vs. evil to a triumphant ending.

It *IS* what movies are all about. Perhaps all the movies like Titanic actually damaged us, because we expect a little too much out of our entertainment sometimes. (To expect nothing is a ridiculous measure as well, you have to demand some quality over quantity...but not to the levels we're pushing it to.)

This was an adrenaline filled, popcorn munchin', big gulp drinking night of fun, and I, for one, was glad to have taken the ride. I'll do it again asap, and for sure will own the DVD.

Sometimes, you just gotta slow down, take some time to enjoy life, and have some fun. People who constantly live their life like a bunch of human machines just miss out on too much in the world around them.

Take a chance, have some fun, and enjoy yourselves people!
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Postby syphonn » Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:27 am

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Autobot032 wrote:I thought it was funny.
It didn't detract from the film and gave a sense of lightness to the whole thing. (I want to be entertained and have fun, not be paying for depression...)
Bumblebee isn't the same character as the G1 version, this Bumblebee kicks ass and happens to be cool, funny, and endearing at the same time.

It's a real shame that people focus on a few off kilter segments and let them ruin the entire experience for them. It's kinda sad actually.

And you're right that the movie was aimed at a target audience: EVERYONE.

It provided entertainment for:

Adults (in general)
Fans (there were enough fanwanks to please, people just aren't willing to be gracious and say "Ya know what? I give 'em credit.")
Geeks (oh yeah, geeks comin' out of the woodwork!)
Kids (Bumblebee protected the boy throughout the film, he was brave and a hero. Kids tend to gravitate towards a more human superhero, and Bumblebee was as human as the TransFormers can get.)

And you know what all of these different types of people enjoy? (even to a certain extent) gross out humor.

It was just the TF world version of gross out humor.

And how can anyone not enjoy house scene with the Autobots? It's absolutely hilarious because they really have no sense of their size compared to our world. It was a gutbuster to watch Prime lean against the house and they all hide out. Prime stepping on the fountain? I laughed my head off!

Was it a perfect film? No.
Was it entertaining and fun? Yes.

It was meant to be lighthearted (in spots), goofy in others, and wall to wall action in the rest. It covered all the bases, from coming of age to romance to adventure to action to good vs. evil to a triumphant ending.

It *IS* what movies are all about. Perhaps all the movies like Titanic actually damaged us, because we expect a little too much out of our entertainment sometimes. (To expect nothing is a ridiculous measure as well, you have to demand some quality over quantity...but not to the levels we're pushing it to.)

This was an adrenaline filled, popcorn munchin', big gulp drinking night of fun, and I, for one, was glad to have taken the ride. I'll do it again asap, and for sure will own the DVD.

Sometimes, you just gotta slow down, take some time to enjoy life, and have some fun. People who constantly live their life like a bunch of human machines just miss out on too much in the world around them.

Take a chance, have some fun, and enjoy yourselves people!


Why did they have to hide from his parents?
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Postby Sonray » Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:59 am

I dont see what the big deal is. You all too superior for a pee joke or something?

Didnt seem to be such a bad thing at the packed theatre i went to, as everyone laughed, including myself and my wife who isnt even a TF fan...until she saw the movie that is.
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Postby Unicron Singularity » Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:21 am

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syphonn wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:I thought it was funny.
It didn't detract from the film and gave a sense of lightness to the whole thing. (I want to be entertained and have fun, not be paying for depression...)
Bumblebee isn't the same character as the G1 version, this Bumblebee kicks ass and happens to be cool, funny, and endearing at the same time.

It's a real shame that people focus on a few off kilter segments and let them ruin the entire experience for them. It's kinda sad actually.

And you're right that the movie was aimed at a target audience: EVERYONE.

It provided entertainment for:

Adults (in general)
Fans (there were enough fanwanks to please, people just aren't willing to be gracious and say "Ya know what? I give 'em credit.")
Geeks (oh yeah, geeks comin' out of the woodwork!)
Kids (Bumblebee protected the boy throughout the film, he was brave and a hero. Kids tend to gravitate towards a more human superhero, and Bumblebee was as human as the TransFormers can get.)

And you know what all of these different types of people enjoy? (even to a certain extent) gross out humor.

It was just the TF world version of gross out humor.

And how can anyone not enjoy house scene with the Autobots? It's absolutely hilarious because they really have no sense of their size compared to our world. It was a gutbuster to watch Prime lean against the house and they all hide out. Prime stepping on the fountain? I laughed my head off!

Was it a perfect film? No.
Was it entertaining and fun? Yes.

It was meant to be lighthearted (in spots), goofy in others, and wall to wall action in the rest. It covered all the bases, from coming of age to romance to adventure to action to good vs. evil to a triumphant ending.

It *IS* what movies are all about. Perhaps all the movies like Titanic actually damaged us, because we expect a little too much out of our entertainment sometimes. (To expect nothing is a ridiculous measure as well, you have to demand some quality over quantity...but not to the levels we're pushing it to.)

This was an adrenaline filled, popcorn munchin', big gulp drinking night of fun, and I, for one, was glad to have taken the ride. I'll do it again asap, and for sure will own the DVD.

Sometimes, you just gotta slow down, take some time to enjoy life, and have some fun. People who constantly live their life like a bunch of human machines just miss out on too much in the world around them.

Take a chance, have some fun, and enjoy yourselves people!


Why did they have to hide from his parents?


well... not everyone would be happy over alien robots f**king up your garden. besides, Ironhide would maybe threaten the parents with blasting the crap out of them, as triggerhappy as he is :P sure as hell OP wouldn't be happy then. ;)
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Postby DavidT » Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:29 am

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I thought it was funny every time I saw it as well as the rest of the theater who were cracking up.

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Postby syphonn » Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:48 am

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The Unicron Singularity wrote:
syphonn wrote:
Autobot032 wrote:I thought it was funny.
It didn't detract from the film and gave a sense of lightness to the whole thing. (I want to be entertained and have fun, not be paying for depression...)
Bumblebee isn't the same character as the G1 version, this Bumblebee kicks ass and happens to be cool, funny, and endearing at the same time.

It's a real shame that people focus on a few off kilter segments and let them ruin the entire experience for them. It's kinda sad actually.

And you're right that the movie was aimed at a target audience: EVERYONE.

It provided entertainment for:

Adults (in general)
Fans (there were enough fanwanks to please, people just aren't willing to be gracious and say "Ya know what? I give 'em credit.")
Geeks (oh yeah, geeks comin' out of the woodwork!)
Kids (Bumblebee protected the boy throughout the film, he was brave and a hero. Kids tend to gravitate towards a more human superhero, and Bumblebee was as human as the TransFormers can get.)

And you know what all of these different types of people enjoy? (even to a certain extent) gross out humor.

It was just the TF world version of gross out humor.

And how can anyone not enjoy house scene with the Autobots? It's absolutely hilarious because they really have no sense of their size compared to our world. It was a gutbuster to watch Prime lean against the house and they all hide out. Prime stepping on the fountain? I laughed my head off!

Was it a perfect film? No.
Was it entertaining and fun? Yes.

It was meant to be lighthearted (in spots), goofy in others, and wall to wall action in the rest. It covered all the bases, from coming of age to romance to adventure to action to good vs. evil to a triumphant ending.

It *IS* what movies are all about. Perhaps all the movies like Titanic actually damaged us, because we expect a little too much out of our entertainment sometimes. (To expect nothing is a ridiculous measure as well, you have to demand some quality over quantity...but not to the levels we're pushing it to.)

This was an adrenaline filled, popcorn munchin', big gulp drinking night of fun, and I, for one, was glad to have taken the ride. I'll do it again asap, and for sure will own the DVD.

Sometimes, you just gotta slow down, take some time to enjoy life, and have some fun. People who constantly live their life like a bunch of human machines just miss out on too much in the world around them.

Take a chance, have some fun, and enjoy yourselves people!


Why did they have to hide from his parents?


well... not everyone would be happy over alien robots f**king up your garden. besides, Ironhide would maybe threaten the parents with blasting the crap out of them, as triggerhappy as he is :P sure as hell OP wouldn't be happy then. ;)


considering how important the item they were there to recover is, i think his parents reaction would be the least of their worries.
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Postby Sonray » Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:55 am

The idea of being a "robot in disguise" is to hide your true identity. To just go around in public as a robot and not hide your true form would A: Make being a TRANSFORMER pointless and B: Attract alot of unwanted attention.

Of course they are gonna try and freaking hide!
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Postby Shadowman » Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:48 pm

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Sonray wrote:I dont see what the big deal is. You all too superior for a pee joke or something?

Didnt seem to be such a bad thing at the packed theatre i went to, as everyone laughed, including myself and my wife who isnt even a TF fan...until she saw the movie that is.


Even my dad was cracking up, and he hates that kind of humor.
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Postby Ericus Prime » Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:13 pm

I thought it was pretty funny, granted it may seem low, but everyone has thier own different sense of humor. One guy was actually clapping during the scene.
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Postby featofstrength » Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:36 pm

no...the dog peeing on Ironhide was kindof funny if not cute, but Bumblepee?! That was one piss joke too many.
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Postby Pontimax 01 » Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:16 pm

featofstrength wrote:no...the dog peeing on Ironhide was kindof funny if not cute, but Bumblepee?! That was one piss joke too many.


You know, that begs the question did Bumblebee get the idea to piss on Simmons from the dog pissing on Ironhide? It obviously bothered Ironhide at the moment, so maybe that's where he got the idea.
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Postby Tramp » Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:18 pm

Pontimax 01 wrote:
featofstrength wrote:no...the dog peeing on Ironhide was kindof funny if not cute, but Bumblepee?! That was one piss joke too many.


You know, that begs the question did Bumblebee get the idea to piss on Simmons from the dog pissing on Ironhide? It obviously bothered Ironhide at the moment, so maybe that's where he got the idea.
I would have to say, yes. It do believe he did get the idea from the dog. That's one opf the reasons why it was so funny.
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Postby ultra tron » Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:50 pm

I think BB did it cause he didn't like him, the S7 was refusing to talk and, well Pi$$ on him!
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Postby Snowtron » Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:34 pm

ultra tron wrote:I think BB did it cause he didn't like him, the S7 was refusing to talk and, well Pi$$ on him!


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Postby Sonray » Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:46 am

Besides, what else could a 20 foot tall super strong robot do to a human without hurting them? Anything physical would more than likely hurt the guy and to do that would go against everything the autobots stand for.
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Postby autobot commander » Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:08 pm

Sonray wrote:Besides, what else could a 20 foot tall super strong robot do to a human without hurting them? Anything physical would more than likely hurt the guy and to do that would go against everything the autobots stand for.


bb could just scold him
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