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Leonardo wrote:But you'd be laughing at the lubrication gag, correct?

Oh yeah I'd be PISSING myself.

Yours AK

The hide-and-seek bit at the house is better than the lubricating thingy.

All of the military material ans sector Seven stuff was necessary to the plot, You can't really get rid of it. First off, the military involvment is very true to what would happen if such a situation were to come about in real life. They wouldn't sit on the sidelines and let the Autobots do everything. They would look for a way to take out the bad guys themselves, and that is what Captain Lennox and Sgt Epps did. They were very important to the story. The hackers were as well. They were indispensible for discovering the Decepticons' plot, as well as the virus, and developing a way to circumvent it. And before you say that the whole Virus plot was unnecessary, It was necessary. From a strategic point of view, the first thing you want to do to an enemy is disrupt their lines of communication so that they cannot coordinate an effective counter-offensive. Divide and conquer. That is what the Decepticons did with the virus. Unfortunately for them, the hackers figured out how to get around that problem using old-fashioned radios and Morse Code.

Tramp wrote:All of the military material ans sector Seven stuff was necessary to the plot, You can't really get rid of it. First off, the military involvment is very true to what would happen if such a situation were to come about in real life. They wouldn't sit on the sidelines and let the Autobots do everything. They would look for a way to take out the bad guys themselves, and that is what Captain Lennox and Sgt Epps did. They were very important to the story. The hackers were as well. They were indispensible for discovering the Decepticons' plot, as well as the virus, and developing a way to circumvent it. And before you say that the whole Virus plot was unnecessary, It was necessary. From a strategic point of view, the first thing you want to do to an enemy is disrupt their lines of communication so that they cannot coordinate an effective counter-offensive. Divide and conquer. That is what the Decepticons did with the virus. Unfortunately for them, the hackers figured out how to get around that problem using old-fashioned radios and Morse Code.

Yup. Man...this is getting scary Tramp...more and more i find myself agreeing with you....

The S7 scenes can be made more serious, and greatly shortened.

Just like what they did with the scientist bit in Independence Day. Short, brief humor, straight to the point, tackle the main issue. Very relevant and keeps you glued to the story.

S7 scenes were too much of a slapstick and too dragging. Making it very boring. What's worse, is it occupies a great deal of screen time.

Military scene is relevant. I agree with that. The military action scenes, that is. But the too much chit-chat nonesense conversations, the spanish thing, the baby thing, all too much too dragging. It's like their trying to stretch the time. If they want the military to appear more human, or dramatic, just put in ONLY one of those insignificant scenes, NOT all of them.

Auto Bot wrote:The S7 scenes can be made more serious, and greatly shortened.

Just like what they did with the scientist bit in Independence Day. Short, brief humor, straight to the point, tackle the main issue. Very relevant and keeps you glued to the story.

S7 scenes were too much of a slapstick and too dragging. Making it very boring. What's worse, is it occupies a great deal of screen time.

Military scene is relevant. I agree with that. The military action scenes, that is. But the too much chit-chat nonesense conversations, the spanish thing, the baby thing, all too much too dragging. It's like their trying to stretch the time. If they want the military to appear more human, or dramatic, just put in ONLY one of those insignificant scenes, NOT all of them.

No, they were still pretty necessary. The first because it shows the comradery among the team, so that we feel the impact when most of them are wiped out by Skorponok, the second because it shosw us Captain Lennox's personal motivation for his actions—to protect his family and survive to see his infant daughter for the first time. So, yes, those are important for establishing the characters. That is also why you have the whole build-up with Sam and his family as well, and with Mikela, and even Maggie and the Secretary of State. You need to build up the characters, and these were all main characters to greater or lesser degrees.

The Sector Seven scenes weren't really slapstick. Was Sector Seven a characature of the "mysterious secret government orgianization" (ala "Men in Black")? Sure it was. No question about that. But it was still necessary. You need an organization like that in a story like this Because it gives the government plausible deniability.

Tramp wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:The S7 scenes can be made more serious, and greatly shortened.

Just like what they did with the scientist bit in Independence Day. Short, brief humor, straight to the point, tackle the main issue. Very relevant and keeps you glued to the story.

S7 scenes were too much of a slapstick and too dragging. Making it very boring. What's worse, is it occupies a great deal of screen time.

Military scene is relevant. I agree with that. The military action scenes, that is. But the too much chit-chat nonesense conversations, the spanish thing, the baby thing, all too much too dragging. It's like their trying to stretch the time. If they want the military to appear more human, or dramatic, just put in ONLY one of those insignificant scenes, NOT all of them.

No, they were still pretty necessary. The first because it shows the comradery among the team, so that we feel the impact when most of them are wiped out by Skorponok, the second because it shosw us Captain Lennox's personal motivation for his actions—to protect his family and survive to see his infant daughter for the first time. So, yes, those are important for establishing the characters. That is also why you have the whole build-up with Sam and his family as well, and with Mikela, and even Maggie and the Secretary of State. You need to build up the characters, and these were all main characters to greater or lesser degrees.

The Sector Seven scenes weren't really slapstick. Was Sector Seven a characature of the "mysterious secret government orgianization" (ala "Men in Black")? Sure it was. No question about that. But it was still necessary. You need an organization like that in a story like this Because it gives the government plausible deniability.

I don't feel any impact for the military guys, when they were wiped out. Ooops, wait, they were not wiped out. They suffer only one single casualty, and he didn't even die.

Anyway, i feel nothing for the military guys. Their characterizations were not even necessary. There's too many humans in the movie that doesn't need to have an established character.

Besides, they don't need the baby thing, all the time-wasting nonsense chit-chat to develop their characters. The action, the battle itself gives them more characterization. Especially the battle scene in the city. That's the only time i started to feel something for them. Even after the battle scenes established their characters, i still feel the baby thing, etc... are all nonsense, and detached from the story, and the military guys themselves.

The S7 guys may be a necessity to the story, but their slapstick crap is totally a no-no. It makes the government as a whole look like a stupid joke. Whatever the military guys portrayed, as a serious necessary part of the government participation, all of this has been destroyed by the S7 slapstick.

Actually autobot, you are wrong.

The military guys did suffer a loss, the dude with the glasses got impaled by scorponok's tail and then dragged underground if i remember correctly.

Not to mention everyone else at the military base before the desert battle scene with scorpie.

There was no slapstick. There was characature and satire, but no slapstick. Charlie Chaplin is Slapstick. Bugs Buny is slapstick. Slapstick is physical pratfalls—Physical humor. There really was none of that. The closest we have is Bumblebee "lubricating" on Agent Simmons. No, what we had with Sector Seven is satire and characature of a shadow agency which takes itself way too seriously.

Sonray wrote:Actually autobot, you are wrong.

The military guys did suffer a loss, the dude with the glasses got impaled by scorponok's tail and then dragged underground if i remember correctly.

Not to mention everyone else at the military base before the desert battle scene with scorpie.

Yes, i did mention that. A single casualty, and he didn't die.

After Scorponok was defeated and barrowed underground, the military guys went back to check on mr. glasses. And he survived. Was brought to the rescue helicopter.

And yeah, during Blackout's attack, surprisingly, no one died.

At least you can't see a single body lying around, even in the background.

There may be a few guys pinned and crushed under the flying tanks. But Bay made sure it be vague. And to show no dead body at all. Probably for rating purposes.

Sonray wrote:Actually autobot, you are wrong.

The military guys did suffer a loss, the dude with the glasses got impaled by scorponok's tail and then dragged underground if i remember correctly.

Not to mention everyone else at the military base before the desert battle scene with scorpie.

On top of that, Lennox and Epps are the only ones to survive the assualt by Skorponok without injury. They took one other member on the evac, and he was gravely injured. From what I have heard from thise who read the novelization, that injured comread died on the way, leaving Lennox and epps as the sole survivors of their team. The others were all wiped out during the fight in the town.

Auto Bot wrote:

Sonray wrote:Actually autobot, you are wrong.

The military guys did suffer a loss, the dude with the glasses got impaled by scorponok's tail and then dragged underground if i remember correctly.

Not to mention everyone else at the military base before the desert battle scene with scorpie.

Yes, i did mention that. A single casualty, and he didn't die.

After Scorponok was defeated and barrowed underground, the military guys went back to check on mr. glasses. And he survived. Was brought to the rescue helicopter.

No that isnt the same guy. The one you are talking about got blown away by one of scorponoks shots while he was taking cover. The guy with the glasses (i think it was him, if not it was someone else) got impaled in the chest, and dragged underground.

Auto Bot wrote:

Sonray wrote:Actually autobot, you are wrong.

The military guys did suffer a loss, the dude with the glasses got impaled by scorponok's tail and then dragged underground if i remember correctly.

Not to mention everyone else at the military base before the desert battle scene with scorpie.

Yes, i did mention that. A single casualty, and he didn't die.

After Scorponok was defeated and barrowed underground, the military guys went back to check on mr. glasses. And he survived. Was brought to the rescue helicopter.

The guy with the glases died. He was impaled through the back and out the chest. The rest of the team was killed in the town battle, and the hispanic was seriously wounded. The apparently the novelization says he died on the way home.

Tramp wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:

Sonray wrote:Actually autobot, you are wrong.

The military guys did suffer a loss, the dude with the glasses got impaled by scorponok's tail and then dragged underground if i remember correctly.

Not to mention everyone else at the military base before the desert battle scene with scorpie.

Yes, i did mention that. A single casualty, and he didn't die.

After Scorponok was defeated and barrowed underground, the military guys went back to check on mr. glasses. And he survived. Was brought to the rescue helicopter.

The guy with the glases died. He was impaled through the back and out the chest. The rest of the team was killed in the town battle, and the hispanic was seriously wounded. The apparently the novelization says he died on the way home.

He DIDN'T die. If he died along the way to the hospital or on board the chopper, i can't argue with that.

But on the ground, after the battle, he was clearly alive. Even when the rescue chopper arrived, he was still alive.

Sonray wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:

Sonray wrote:Actually autobot, you are wrong.

The military guys did suffer a loss, the dude with the glasses got impaled by scorponok's tail and then dragged underground if i remember correctly.

Not to mention everyone else at the military base before the desert battle scene with scorpie.

Yes, i did mention that. A single casualty, and he didn't die.

After Scorponok was defeated and barrowed underground, the military guys went back to check on mr. glasses. And he survived. Was brought to the rescue helicopter.

No that isnt the same guy. The one you are talking about got blown away by one of scorponoks shots while he was taking cover. The guy with the glasses (i think it was him, if not it was someone else) got impaled in the chest, and dragged underground.

I didn't see anybody dragged underground. Mr. glasses was impaled and then released.

Remember, Scorpy's tail was severed just before he went underground. If ever any guy was stucked on that tail, would have been left behind.

Nobody was dragged underground.

Tramp wrote:

Sonray wrote:Actually autobot, you are wrong.

The military guys did suffer a loss, the dude with the glasses got impaled by scorponok's tail and then dragged underground if i remember correctly.

Not to mention everyone else at the military base before the desert battle scene with scorpie.

On top of that, Lennox and Epps are the only ones to survive the assualt by Skorponok without injury. They took one other member on the evac, and he was gravely injured. From what I have heard from thise who read the novelization, that injured comread died on the way, leaving Lennox and epps as the sole survivors of their team. The others were all wiped out during the fight in the town.

Everybody survived the assault. The guy on the evac, the gravely injured guy, was exactly mr. glasses who was impaled by Scorpy.

I can point out these facts based on the movie only.

If the novelization took a different route, i don't have the chance to read it. Haven't seen it.

I found it stupid, he was obviously DRAINING on him!

lubricating, yeesh

Auto Bot wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Sonray wrote:Actually autobot, you are wrong.

The military guys did suffer a loss, the dude with the glasses got impaled by scorponok's tail and then dragged underground if i remember correctly.

Not to mention everyone else at the military base before the desert battle scene with scorpie.

On top of that, Lennox and Epps are the only ones to survive the assualt by Skorponok without injury. They took one other member on the evac, and he was gravely injured. From what I have heard from thise who read the novelization, that injured comread died on the way, leaving Lennox and epps as the sole survivors of their team. The others were all wiped out during the fight in the town.

Everybody survived the assault. The guy on the evac, the gravely injured guy, was exactly mr. glasses who was impaled by Scorpy.

I can point out these facts based on the movie only.

If the novelization took a different route, i don't have the chance to read it. Haven't seen it.

No, Autobot, it wasn't. The guy with the glasses died instantly. He was not the guy taken on the evac. I've seen the movie twice. All of the team except for Epps and Lennox were killed. Most of them in the town. The injured team member taken on the evac was the hispanic guy, not the guy with classes.

Tramp wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Sonray wrote:Actually autobot, you are wrong.

The military guys did suffer a loss, the dude with the glasses got impaled by scorponok's tail and then dragged underground if i remember correctly.

Not to mention everyone else at the military base before the desert battle scene with scorpie.

On top of that, Lennox and Epps are the only ones to survive the assualt by Skorponok without injury. They took one other member on the evac, and he was gravely injured. From what I have heard from thise who read the novelization, that injured comread died on the way, leaving Lennox and epps as the sole survivors of their team. The others were all wiped out during the fight in the town.

Everybody survived the assault. The guy on the evac, the gravely injured guy, was exactly mr. glasses who was impaled by Scorpy.

I can point out these facts based on the movie only.

If the novelization took a different route, i don't have the chance to read it. Haven't seen it.

No, Autobot, it wasn't. The guy with the glases died. He was not the guy taken on the evac. I've seen the movie twice. All of the team except for Epps and Lennox were killed. Most of them in the town.

I clearly remembered mr. glasses very much alive when they came back for him.

I was actually expecting him to be dead, or disemboweled.

I was pretty much surprised when he moved, and they tell him to hang on or something.

I almost laughed out at how ridiculous he could have survived that!

Anyway, only the DVD can clear up this issue.

the hispanic guy was the one that was evaced.
the guy with the glasses died (or at least is crippled) sice nobody really survives getting impaled through the chest

No, that was the hispanic who was evaced. The guy with glasses was impaled and thrown a good fifty feet or more by Skorponok. If the impalement hadn't killed him, the flight did.

Yeah, i think mr glasses could have died. Along the way or something.

I just didn't see him with his last breath.

Tramp wrote:No, that was the hispanic who was evaced. The guy with glasses was impaled and thrown a good fifty feet or more by Skorponok. If the impalement hadn't killed him, the flight did.

I agree he SHOULD have died. No way can anyone survived that.

But i just didn't see him die. They all came back to the location where he was impaled, and he was still alive.

Maybe i could have missed a scene after that. He could have died shortly afterwards or on the evac chopper.

If i may add, it's possible the short scene when he actually died, could have been cut out of the film in our place. Our cinemas usually do that. Cut out the gory part or any insignificant part, to shorten the film, and fit into the screening schedules.

Auto Bot wrote:

Tramp wrote:No, that was the hispanic who was evaced. The guy with glasses was impaled and thrown a good fifty feet or more by Skorponok. If the impalement hadn't killed him, the flight did.

I agree he SHOULD have died. No way can anyone survived that.

But i just didn't see him die. They all came back to the location where he was impaled, and he was still alive.

Maybe i could have missed a scene after that. He could have died shortly afterwards or on the evac chopper.

If i may add, it's possible the short scene when he actually died, could have been cut out of the film in our place. Our cinemas usually do that. Cut out the gory part or any insignificant part, to shorten the film, and fit into the screening schedules.

No, he wasn't, and no, they never went back. They were running for their lives and went directly to the town where the rest of the battle took place, and the rest of them except for Epps and Lennoix were killed. The hispanic is the only other one to "survive" and he was gravely wounded. He was the one Epps and Lennox took with them on the evac. He died on the way back.

Auto Bot wrote:

Tramp wrote:No, that was the hispanic who was evaced. The guy with glasses was impaled and thrown a good fifty feet or more by Skorponok. If the impalement hadn't killed him, the flight did.

I agree he SHOULD have died. No way can anyone survived that.

But i just didn't see him die. They all came back to the location where he was impaled, and he was still alive.

Maybe i could have missed a scene after that. He could have died shortly afterwards or on the evac chopper.

If i may add, it's possible the short scene when he actually died, could have been cut out of the film in our place. Our cinemas usually do that. Cut out the gory part or any insignificant part, to shorten the film, and fit into the screening schedules.

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen O_o You don't see all the people on the bus or in the cars when Bonecrusher is broadsiding them die, but it's understood that the people on the bus are probably all dead. Just because you don't see a bloody mass that is Glasses-Guy doesn't mean he's not dead underground somewhere O_o

The guy they carted off to the chopper was the Hispanic guy. After seeing it four times, I'm definitely certain of this. Glasses-Guy was blonde, dude they took to the chopper was a brunette.

And I think we're diverting from the point again...

This is a MOVIE...about a CARTOON...that was about ROBOTS who turn into CARS...that was based on a line of TOYS.