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OK I seem to have missuderstood what you wrote. I did some research through my dad and on the internet and found out alot of web sites DO in fact give the air date of The Cage as 1988. However this is not true.

Not everything on the internet is true.

The original pilot did actully air some time between 1964 and 1966 (he's a little fuzzy on the exact date) there's allso a 2 hour TV special on the original Star Trek series I remember watching that said the same thing. I'll post the video of that if I can find it.

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I dont get my Trek info from the net..........I have been a Trekie since 1976 and I have met Gene Roddenberry at my film class at New York University when he gave a class on T.V. show production.I have read his Biography more times then I can count and his first pilot for Star Trek never aired in the 1960's.It was rejected by the head on NBC because it didnt have enought action.Star Trek was the first show ever in TV history to get a 2nd pilot and was the first show to have a inter-racial kiss.A mostly black and white version of the episode was released ti videi in 1986 but a fuul color episode was never compleated untill 1988 and was aired.

Here is some info from THE STAR TREK ENCYCOPEDIA and some online info for you to check up on....pay close attention to the episode listing for The cage at startrek.com It has no air date because it was the only episode to go to vider before it was aired!








http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/l ... 68662.html

http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/R/htm ... nberry.htm

http://www.billpetro.com/HolidayHistory ... redux.html

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/The_Cage

As for the Borg on Enterprise your wecome to your opinon but there were many other times in Enterprise that continuity was effected but it also happened on Voyerger so what can you do........
by the was where are you getting your info on Star Trek besides your father.I dont mean to offened but he's mistaken about The Cage but the 2 hour special as you call it didnt air that way.......it was a 2 part story that aired sepreat not as a 2 hour special and it was called The Menagerie.It featured clips of Cap.Pike in his younger days.

Saber: your dad didn't see The Cage in the 60s. It was never broadcast then because it was crashingly dull. That's why a second pilot was commissioned. Your dad probably saw The Menagerie in the 60s, and in his memory got it confused with The Cage.

Sledge wrote:Saber: your dad didn't see The Cage in the 60s. It was never broadcast then because it was crashingly dull. That's why a second pilot was commissioned. Your dad probably saw The Menagerie in the 60s, and in his memory got it confused with The Cage.

Might you be a Trekie my good sir????????

I was a fairly lazy Trekkie until Voyager. Since then, it's all been pretty rubbish, so I've left it alone. But TOS, TNG and DS9 were all good.

Sledge wrote:I was a fairly lazy Trekkie until Voyager. Since then, it's all been pretty rubbish, so I've left it alone. But TOS, TNG and DS9 were all good.

DS9 was the best written of the Treks but your right it all went down hill with Voyager altho their were a good number of episodes I liked.

I did see a few decent Voyager episodes, but most of them were pretty bad, so I didn't watch regularly after about the second season. Enterprise seemed to go out of it's way to ignore or contradict established Trek history.

I just hope the new movie is a lot better.

Sledge wrote:I did see a few decent Voyager episodes, but most of them were pretty bad, so I didn't watch regularly after about the second season. Enterprise seemed to go out of it's way to ignore or contradict established Trek history.

I just hope the new movie is a lot better.

From what I hear we might not have to worry about ST history anymore.The script that has leeked [small parts anyway] The new film is about a Romulan plot to change federation history.They send someone into the past to kill Kirk [Like in DS9] but the older Spock follows and joins with his younger self to save Kirk. But history is changed a bit so it begins all over again.
I just hope that a BS script that was leeked.

That sounds like ass. Why not cover something like the Federation-Romulan war that TOS mentioned once or twice? Basis for a kickass film or three AND it wouldn't have to contradict everything that's gone before.

Sledge wrote:That sounds like ass. Why not cover something like the Federation-Romulan war that TOS mentioned once or twice? Basis for a kickass film or three AND it wouldn't have to contradict everything that's gone before.

They kinda tryed that with Enterprise and it didnt work.........I say leave the past alone and go foward....Do a ansomble film with guys from TNG Voyger and DS9.......have it start off on DS9 and the plot should center around the Mirror universe and the Return of Sisko.

Enterprise tried to make up some rubbish about a temporal cold war, and Archer actually being the first person to encounter the Borg, but he must've forgotten to mention it. There are loads of events that could be visited without having to make crap up that contradicts what went before. I never understood how people got so worked up about Phantom Menace, but were fine with Enterprise totally ignoring 40 years of backstory.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:As for the Borg on Enterprise your wecome to your opinon but there were many other times in Enterprise that continuity was effected but it also happened on Voyerger so what can you do........
by the was where are you getting your info on Star Trek besides your father.I dont mean to offened but he's mistaken about The Cage but the 2 hour special as you call it didnt air that way.......it was a 2 part story that aired sepreat not as a 2 hour special and it was called The Menagerie.It featured clips of Cap.Pike in his younger days.

I wasn't taking about the Menagerie or any episode of Star Trek. I was talking about a TV special (hench the use of the words TV Special) showing the history of how the series started and interviews with the cast. I belive it was filmed after DeForest Kelly (the actor who played Bones) died and was shown as sort of a tribute to him and the show's original creator.

There's been some other deaths in the original cast sence then but seems like the Doctor named Bones was the first to go.

Sledge wrote:Enterprise tried to make up some rubbish about a temporal cold war, and Archer actually being the first person to encounter the Borg, but he must've forgotten to mention it. There are loads of events that could be visited without having to make crap up that contradicts what went before. I never understood how people got so worked up about Phantom Menace, but were fine with Enterprise totally ignoring 40 years of backstory.

Phantom Menace buged the hell out of me. Not because of continuaty but because the kid playing Anikin was way too damn young.

Then in episode 2 they get a different actor for Anikin and the same girl plays Padme and it just looks completly wrong. First Padme is supose to be 14 in episode one and yea she could pass for 14 there. Anikin on the other hand I don't know how old he's supose to b but he looks about 9. They're at least 5 years apart and there's NOTHING romantic happening between them. Then in episode 2 she doesn't age at all and he's all the sudden gone from 9 to 16. Now they're closer togeather and all the sudden there's a love story that just comes out of nowhere.

Episode 3 is just overall the worst Star Wars ever. That's a perfect example of what happens when a movie is rushed ad you need alot to happen in a short amount of time. I wish they would have killed the Jedi in Episode 2 durring the battle area sceen that way...

1. The Jedi who are supose to die can go down fighting.

2. They don't have to waist footage showing the worst montage of deaths in history.

I can not belive the Jedi could be killed so easily as to just be shot in the back by a freaking Clone Trooper when they're not looking.

Mace Windu was the only Jedi in that movie who actully had a decent death sceen. He got to go down fighting not just shot in the back like all the others.

Agreeed! Mace could have kicked Palpatine's ass if not for Anikin. I always felt that turning a good character evil is such a bad move unless you do it the right way over a long period of time. Which wasn't done in Starwars.

Night Striker wrote:Agreeed! Mace could have kicked Palpatine's ass if not for Anikin. I always felt that turning a good character evil is such a bad move unless you do it the right way over a long period of time. Which wasn't done in Starwars.

Well there have been moments of him turning evil but not quite being there yet. It's just that finnal moment of "OK no I'm evil" that kinda sucked.

I mean yeah he felt Obi-wan was holding him back and preventing him from reaching his full potential but he allso thought of Obi-wan as a father figure so there's not alot there for him to really go all evil and start attacking his mentor.

And then the irony part of it all, he joins the dark side with the promis that he can learn to stop people from dieing, he wants to save the ones he loves, and then he ends up being the one who kills everyone he loves.

Spider-man does a good job of turning characters from good to evil. At least with Harry Osborn. He turns evil for revenge because he belives Spider-man killed his father. Now that right there is a perfectly understandable reason to start attacking your best friend.

The Spider-man movies are overuseing the "Good guy goes insaine and turns evil" plot though especially in the case of Doc Oc who was never ment to be good in the first place.

Saber Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:As for the Borg on Enterprise your wecome to your opinon but there were many other times in Enterprise that continuity was effected but it also happened on Voyerger so what can you do........
by the was where are you getting your info on Star Trek besides your father.I dont mean to offened but he's mistaken about The Cage but the 2 hour special as you call it didnt air that way.......it was a 2 part story that aired sepreat not as a 2 hour special and it was called The Menagerie.It featured clips of Cap.Pike in his younger days.

I wasn't taking about the Menagerie or any episode of Star Trek. I was talking about a TV special (hench the use of the words TV Special) showing the history of how the series started and interviews with the cast. I belive it was filmed after DeForest Kelly (the actor who played Bones) died and was shown as sort of a tribute to him and the show's original creator.

There's been some other deaths in the original cast sence then but seems like the Doctor named Bones was the first to go.

That special was back in 1988 and was the first time that the episode the Cage[ first pilot ] ever aired.
Gene Roddenberry was the first to pass on in Oct. 24th 1991
DeForest Kelley was next on June 11 1999 [Bones]
James Doohan died on July 20 2005 [Scotty]

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:As for the Borg on Enterprise your wecome to your opinon but there were many other times in Enterprise that continuity was effected but it also happened on Voyerger so what can you do........
by the was where are you getting your info on Star Trek besides your father.I dont mean to offened but he's mistaken about The Cage but the 2 hour special as you call it didnt air that way.......it was a 2 part story that aired sepreat not as a 2 hour special and it was called The Menagerie.It featured clips of Cap.Pike in his younger days.

I wasn't taking about the Menagerie or any episode of Star Trek. I was talking about a TV special (hench the use of the words TV Special) showing the history of how the series started and interviews with the cast. I belive it was filmed after DeForest Kelly (the actor who played Bones) died and was shown as sort of a tribute to him and the show's original creator.

There's been some other deaths in the original cast sence then but seems like the Doctor named Bones was the first to go.

That special was back in 1988 and was the first time that the episode the Cage[ first pilot ] ever aired.
Gene Roddenberry was the first to pass on in Oct. 24th 1991
DeForest Kelley was next on June 11 1999 [Bones]
James Doohan died on July 20 2005 [Scotty]

I did say DeForest was the first in the cast to to die. Gene wasn't a member of the cast, he's the shows creator.

Allso I heard someone elce died just this year you didn't list. Not sure who but I think it was the woman who played Ohera (Spelling? Woman with thingy in her ear.)

Allso James only has 1 thumb. (He's a Veatnam Veteran, lost the other thumb in the war) Someone elce played the part of Scotty's hands when they did close up shots of him working the transporter. This was mentioned on the same TV special and allso I saw his hand prints in front of the Chinese Theater in L.A.

Last time I was there unfortunatly I had just missed the addition of the kids from Harry Potter by about 2 days. Got a picture of the new addition but I have yet to actully witness new hand prints being added.

Saber Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:As for the Borg on Enterprise your wecome to your opinon but there were many other times in Enterprise that continuity was effected but it also happened on Voyerger so what can you do........
by the was where are you getting your info on Star Trek besides your father.I dont mean to offened but he's mistaken about The Cage but the 2 hour special as you call it didnt air that way.......it was a 2 part story that aired sepreat not as a 2 hour special and it was called The Menagerie.It featured clips of Cap.Pike in his younger days.

I wasn't taking about the Menagerie or any episode of Star Trek. I was talking about a TV special (hench the use of the words TV Special) showing the history of how the series started and interviews with the cast. I belive it was filmed after DeForest Kelly (the actor who played Bones) died and was shown as sort of a tribute to him and the show's original creator.

There's been some other deaths in the original cast sence then but seems like the Doctor named Bones was the first to go.

That special was back in 1988 and was the first time that the episode the Cage[ first pilot ] ever aired.
Gene Roddenberry was the first to pass on in Oct. 24th 1991
DeForest Kelley was next on June 11 1999 [Bones]
James Doohan died on July 20 2005 [Scotty]

I did say DeForest was the first in the cast to to die. Gene wasn't a member of the cast, he's the shows creator.

Allso I heard someone elce died just this year you didn't list. Not sure who but I think it was the woman who played Ohera (Spelling? Woman with thingy in her ear.)

Allso James only has 1 thumb. (He's a Veatnam Veteran, lost the other thumb in the war) Someone elce played the part of Scotty's hands when they did close up shots of him working the transporter. This was mentioned on the same TV special and allso I saw his hand prints in front of the Chinese Theater in L.A.

Last time I was there unfortunatly I had just missed the addition of the kids from Harry Potter by about 2 days. Got a picture of the new addition but I have yet to actully witness new hand prints being added.

No she's still alive unless she died this past weekend.....she's been casted to to a recuring roll on the upcoming season of Hero's.
And James Doohan was not a Veatnam Veteran nor did he lose his thumb!!!!!!!
James Doohan at 19 years of age left home to join the Canadian Forces, and fought alonge side the Allies forces in World War II. After outscoring his fellow soldiers on an officer's exam, he became Captain in the Royal Canadian Artillery. While leading his men to high ground on D-Day, Doohan was shot six times ,For in the legs ,1 in the chest and 1 on his right hand middle finger[ not his thumb] and eventually lost that finger. leagen has it [as James tells the story] that the bullet to his chest was stoped by a cigrarette case that he carried.[but who knows if that true]


Are you posting bad info to try to trick me or are you just misinformed?????????

Night Striker wrote:Agreeed! Mace could have kicked Palpatine's ass if not for Anikin. I always felt that turning a good character evil is such a bad move unless you do it the right way over a long period of time. Which wasn't done in Starwars.

It may not have been a long time fore us but for the Anikin it was about 10 or 12 years for him to turn evil.And to be 100% honest I thiught the problem was not in turning him evel so quickly but in the fact that they made him so nice and love able in TPM episode 1. Remember the first time we see Anikin is as the evil DARTH VADOR not the other way around.When ep.1 started I felt cheated because I was hopping that young Anikin would at least have a smart mouth and not be so cute and nice a little kid.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Night Striker wrote:Agreeed! Mace could have kicked Palpatine's ass if not for Anikin. I always felt that turning a good character evil is such a bad move unless you do it the right way over a long period of time. Which wasn't done in Starwars.

It may not have been a long time fore us but for the Anikin it was about 10 or 12 years for him to turn evil.And to be 100% honest I thiught the problem was not in turning him evel so quickly but in the fact that they made him so nice and love able in TPM episode 1. Remember the first time we see Anikin is as the evil DARTH VADOR not the other way around.When ep.1 started I felt cheated because I was hopping that young Anikin would at least have a smart mouth and not be so cute and nice a little kid.

I think there was not much change in his attitude and loyalty for that 10 or 12 years. The change was rather abrupt. It's a bit quizzical.

I'm not so sure Mace could have defeated Palpatine. Did he win the fight, or did Palpatine throw it, knowing Anakin was about to arrive and wanting to stage the scene? After Anakin attacked Mace, he was further along the path to the dark side than he would have been had he arrived to find Palapatine had killed all four Jedi.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:As for the Borg on Enterprise your wecome to your opinon but there were many other times in Enterprise that continuity was effected but it also happened on Voyerger so what can you do........
by the was where are you getting your info on Star Trek besides your father.I dont mean to offened but he's mistaken about The Cage but the 2 hour special as you call it didnt air that way.......it was a 2 part story that aired sepreat not as a 2 hour special and it was called The Menagerie.It featured clips of Cap.Pike in his younger days.

I wasn't taking about the Menagerie or any episode of Star Trek. I was talking about a TV special (hench the use of the words TV Special) showing the history of how the series started and interviews with the cast. I belive it was filmed after DeForest Kelly (the actor who played Bones) died and was shown as sort of a tribute to him and the show's original creator.

There's been some other deaths in the original cast sence then but seems like the Doctor named Bones was the first to go.

That special was back in 1988 and was the first time that the episode the Cage[ first pilot ] ever aired.
Gene Roddenberry was the first to pass on in Oct. 24th 1991
DeForest Kelley was next on June 11 1999 [Bones]
James Doohan died on July 20 2005 [Scotty]

I did say DeForest was the first in the cast to to die. Gene wasn't a member of the cast, he's the shows creator.

Allso I heard someone elce died just this year you didn't list. Not sure who but I think it was the woman who played Ohera (Spelling? Woman with thingy in her ear.)

Allso James only has 1 thumb. (He's a Veatnam Veteran, lost the other thumb in the war) Someone elce played the part of Scotty's hands when they did close up shots of him working the transporter. This was mentioned on the same TV special and allso I saw his hand prints in front of the Chinese Theater in L.A.

Last time I was there unfortunatly I had just missed the addition of the kids from Harry Potter by about 2 days. Got a picture of the new addition but I have yet to actully witness new hand prints being added.

No she's still alive unless she died this past weekend.....she's been casted to to a recuring roll on the upcoming season of Hero's.
And James Doohan was not a Veatnam Veteran nor did he lose his thumb!!!!!!!
James Doohan at 19 years of age left home to join the Canadian Forces, and fought alonge side the Allies forces in World War II. After outscoring his fellow soldiers on an officer's exam, he became Captain in the Royal Canadian Artillery. While leading his men to high ground on D-Day, Doohan was shot six times ,For in the legs ,1 in the chest and 1 on his right hand middle finger[ not his thumb] and eventually lost that finger. leagen has it [as James tells the story] that the bullet to his chest was stoped by a cigrarette case that he carried.[but who knows if that true]


Are you posting bad info to try to trick me or are you just misinformed?????????

Dude I've seen his HAND PRINTS in front of Graman's Chinese Theater. You know that place in L.A. where all the Stars put there hand prints. He has no thumb. He does have a middle finger.

Actully my dad has the picture somewhere of the hand prints I can post them but not right now because he's still asleep.

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Saber Prime wrote:

Night Striker wrote:Agreeed! Mace could have kicked Palpatine's ass if not for Anikin. I always felt that turning a good character evil is such a bad move unless you do it the right way over a long period of time. Which wasn't done in Starwars.

Well there have been moments of him turning evil but not quite being there yet. It's just that finnal moment of "OK no I'm evil" that kinda sucked.

I mean yeah he felt Obi-wan was holding him back and preventing him from reaching his full potential but he allso thought of Obi-wan as a father figure so there's not alot there for him to really go all evil and start attacking his mentor.

And then the irony part of it all, he joins the dark side with the promis that he can learn to stop people from dieing, he wants to save the ones he loves, and then he ends up being the one who kills everyone he loves.

Spider-man does a good job of turning characters from good to evil. At least with Harry Osborn. He turns evil for revenge because he belives Spider-man killed his father. Now that right there is a perfectly understandable reason to start attacking your best friend.

The Spider-man movies are overuseing the "Good guy goes insaine and turns evil" plot though especially in the case of Doc Oc who was never ment to be good in the first place.

Yeah. It was like 'Anikan! Become evil.' 'No.' 'Come on!' 'Well, ok.'

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