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Dragonslayer wrote:I dunno. I just go with the flow

If you really want to find that out, ask one of the senior members like crazyfists or EP.

Burn wrote:So now i'm curious.

If there's so much "internal dramas" ... why bother any more?

As someone said the other day, the more things change the more they stay the same ...

Sounds familiar

I think both, or all, the "sub-factions" should be done away with. Having gone through both of them myself and having seen both sides I feel it may be better to just focus on Autobt/Maximal vs Decepticon/Predacon.

Galvatron Prime wrote:...I think both, or all, the "sub-factions" should be done away with. Having gone through both of them myself and having seen both sides I feel it may be better to just focus on Autobt/Maximal vs Decepticon/Predacon.

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Tifereth wrote:

Dragonslayer wrote:I guess I'll be the one to speak up for the AWC, since nobody else is

The AWC was having some internal problems that were escalated when Traks defected to the Decepticons. This, in turn, resulted in a lot unnecessary drama that causes a few members to leave. After a little "Come to Jesus" meeting, we have decided that with the coming of V2, the time has come to start over with the AWC. We're gonna completely wipe the slate clean, even come up with a new name. At the moment it's still an idea hovering over our heads because we're waiting to see how V2 is going to work before we start any kind of reformatting.

So, to sum up: No, we're not dead, but we are planning for a new AWC.

Maybe u dont remember but it was much before than when Traks left that those problems were already there.

There is no point to say those problems here and bother ppl, but everyone who was there knows what happened and how the situation were.

Did i sound like an AWCer?, da!, bah, im not.

Well, I haven't bee around long enough to know what all caused the rift to happen. I just know that after said occurance things started to fall apart. Like I said, I really don't know what all went on, I just knew that some kind of change was necessary to help put the AWC back on track. And if that change happens to be a total reformat, then so be it. I only want two things: to play the game as it is supposed to be and to represent what the AWC is supposed to be: a united Autobot effort to kick aft.

Tifereth wrote:

Galvatron Prime wrote:...I think both, or all, the "sub-factions" should be done away with. Having gone through both of them myself and having seen both sides I feel it may be better to just focus on Autobt/Maximal vs Decepticon/Predacon.

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Well, it would certainly make things easier

Damn, I'm never usually this preachy in the morning. Something must be wrong.

I still see advantages to the RDD, such as superior configs and good hangout. and distinguishment from the rest of the decepticons. BTW I like yoru sig, Tifereth. Love wolf's rain.

RID_reborn wrote:I still see advantages to the RDD, such as superior configs and good hangout. and distinguishment from the rest of the decepticons. BTW I like yoru sig, Tifereth. Love wolf's rain.

Yeah but wouldn't that be more beneficial for ALL Decepticons and not just the few (goes for Bots too)

Dragonslayer wrote:If you really want to find that out, ask one of the senior members like crazyfists or EP.

Mate, i'd love to catch up with EP sometime, see how he's going and stuff.

RID_reborn wrote:I still see advantages to the RDD, such as superior configs and good hangout. and distinguishment from the rest of the decepticons.

Now I don't mean any offense by this but this statement sounds like elitism.

"Superior configs"? What, can't share them with all the Decepticons in the 'Con forum?

Distinguishment from the rest of the Decepticons? THIS is necessary?

The groups may have their advantages, provided they don't promote elitism.

Well crap. Burn and I are agreeing on something.

I think both the RDD and AWC had their place in the past but I think that maybe they should stay in the past, at least for the time being. Let 2.0 (or whatever it will be called) start from scratch and go from there. If they pop back up after a while, so be it. But if not leave them be.

Good luck trying to shut them down/out.

You've seen how loyal some of the members are. Mind you, they could show some of that loyallty to this site then maybe it would have won more than 1 award at BotCon!

*shakes fist at the AWC'ers and RDD'ers* You cost Ryan awards damn youuuuuuuuu

RID_reborn wrote:I still see advantages to the RDD, such as superior configs and good hangout. and distinguishment from the rest of the decepticons. BTW I like yoru sig, Tifereth. Love wolf's rain.

Well, ive kicked most of RDD members , what RDD and DSA have is communication and a good entourage among the members, something that lacks in other places.

Wolf's Rain rulz!

RID_reborn wrote:I still see advantages to the RDD, such as superior configs

ROFL!

Galvatron Prime wrote:

Burn wrote:So now i'm curious.

If there's so much "internal dramas" ... why bother any more?

As someone said the other day, the more things change the more they stay the same ...

Sounds familiar

I think both, or all, the "sub-factions" should be done away with. Having gone through both of them myself and having seen both sides I feel it may be better to just focus on Autobt/Maximal vs Decepticon/Predacon.

I agree with this statement 100%

I do post my config info in the Decepticon forum. And I PM it to lvl 0-1 cons, too, when I see that they're active and deserve help. However, it's still fun to go to the RDD and spam up its shoutbox, something we can't do that much of here. And we RDD members, especially the higher levels that you're afraid to pick on, Tif, do beat you.

Frankly, from what I've heard about the new way HMW will work and better communication needed to 'win the war' I have a feeling sub-factions and groups like the RDD and AWC will only get stronger, or at minimum change and proliferate. Think about it, we will need good communication, strategy, planning and the like. So have groups like that pop up are only natural; they exist in other games like WoW and Everquest. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if we see more tags start appearing after the reset.

That's just my two cents.

Whisper wrote:

RID_reborn wrote:I still see advantages to the RDD, such as superior configs

ROFL!

We got Tammuz! And you can't have him! Nyah nyah nyah nyah!
On a more serious note, a lot of the RDD have seen the ebb and flow of the game and have sussed out optimal configurations. I guess it's as much to do with our tendancy towards pooling experience as much as any real insight and genius. But isn't that the real insight? In this world gone mad, aren't we the honest ones?

Jesus Prime wrote:

Whisper wrote:

RID_reborn wrote:I still see advantages to the RDD, such as superior configs

ROFL!

We got Tammuz! And you can't have him! Nyah nyah nyah nyah!
On a more serious note, a lot of the RDD have seen the ebb and flow of the game and have sussed out optimal configurations. I guess it's as much to do with our tendancy towards pooling experience as much as any real insight and genius. But isn't that the real insight? In this world gone mad, aren't we the honest ones?

JP spouting philosophy? Oooh, my head hurts.

*paddy-whacks JP* That's for stealing my joke!

Thunderscream wrote:

Jesus Prime wrote:

Whisper wrote:

RID_reborn wrote:I still see advantages to the RDD, such as superior configs

ROFL!

We got Tammuz! And you can't have him! Nyah nyah nyah nyah!
On a more serious note, a lot of the RDD have seen the ebb and flow of the game and have sussed out optimal configurations. I guess it's as much to do with our tendancy towards pooling experience as much as any real insight and genius. But isn't that the real insight? In this world gone mad, aren't we the honest ones?

JP spouting philosophy? Oooh, my head hurts.

*paddy-whacks JP* That's for stealing my joke!

What'd I steal? Why'd my head hurt? WHERE'S ME BEER!?

Snoball wrote:

Galvatron Prime wrote:

Burn wrote:So now i'm curious.

If there's so much "internal dramas" ... why bother any more?

As someone said the other day, the more things change the more they stay the same ...

Sounds familiar

I think both, or all, the "sub-factions" should be done away with. Having gone through both of them myself and having seen both sides I feel it may be better to just focus on Autobt/Maximal vs Decepticon/Predacon.

I agree with this statement 100%

I honestly have to agree to. It is about time we did things as Autobots/maximals vs Decepticon/predacon as a whole and not have subgroups.

The game forces it to be about Decepticons versus Autobots, and nothing any subfaction does takes that away. It's a vast stretch to say that at any point it's been more about RDD versus AWC that it has been about Decepticons and Autobots.

Here's a question regarding factions.

When Glyph was still the programmer, he mentioned that, along with :MAX: and RED: ; :BOT2: :CON2: and would also be included. Are we still going to see those along with the others, especially since they are "official" in the Hasbro continutiy, or have they been dropped by the wayside?

Thunderscream wrote:Here's a question regarding factions.

When Glyph was still the programmer, he mentioned that, along with :MAX: and RED: ; :BOT2: :CON2: and would also be included. Are we still going to see those along with the others, especially since they are "official" in the Hasbro continutiy, or have they been dropped by the wayside?

Maximals and Predacons will appear, but the distinction will be aesthetic. Other ideas have been suggested, but that's still where it stands right now AFAIK.

Now, on a more constructive note, let me ask you guys this: what positive actions could be taken here to reduce the necessity of the fan led subfactions, or to reduce the friction between the staff/nonsubfaction players and the fan led subfactions?

More officially sanctioned/run tournaments is one, I know. Although the problem is that the majority of the overall players don't care about the tournaments, so the only way to make the tournament a decent battle of wits/tactics/communication instead of a weight-of-numbers war is to reduce it to small numbers of dedicated players - hence the relative success of some AWC/RDD tournaments. So any suggestions there?

And how about ways to liven up the faction subforums? So far they seem to be going relatively unused.

Caelus wrote:And how about wives to liven up the faction subforums? So far they seem to be going relatively unused.

I think a link to those forums from the HMW page might help bring more people into those. So far, the only way to access them is through the Energon Pub main page (they don't even appear on the drop-down menus), so some players may not be aware they exist. More exposure might help bring their attention to it.

Caelus wrote:
Now, on a more constructive note, let me ask you guys this: what positive actions could be taken here to reduce the necessity of the fan led subfactions, or to reduce the friction between the staff/nonsubfaction players and the fan led subfactions?

well stop threatening to ban us would be a start... you know, it's very hard to be all warm and cosy when anytime we raise an opinion not held by the staff we get told to shush or be banned and lose the thing we love HMW for those who don't know

It's hard to love when you live in fear.

and maybe actually talk to us about stuff regarding us, rather than just locking threads and issuing "YOU ARE NOT WELCOME" statments, that pisses us off, and becuase we feel we're not welcome we can't talk to the staff and resolve the problem, so we retreat further. there is no dialogue between the staff and the clans(or at least my clan)

ignoring the issues does make them go away.

Caelus wrote:More officially sanctioned/run tournaments is one, I know. Although the problem is that the majority of the overall players don't care about the tournaments, so the only way to make the tournament a decent battle of wits/tactics/communication instead of a weight-of-numbers war is to reduce it to small numbers of dedicated players - hence the relative success of some AWC/RDD tournaments. So any suggestions there?

there has only been one(1) OFFICIAL AWC vs RDD tournie in the past year or so, the rest have been done regardless of clan or non-clan and did not contain the "must have X numbers of clanners for the mission to count rule", granted the majority of Tournies/alt/scavenger hunts have been run by RDD/AWC members but i fail to see how this reflects negatively on being part of a clan.

why does it matter so much to those who aren't clanners that others are?

It doesn't happen often, but I agree with Tammuz. The way the rev.2 is sounding, clans will be MORE a necessity than anything. And basically being told to shut it when we have an opinion that MAY include clans, or heck just anything, isn't very welcoming, so we retreat to our own boards and discuss there, and on rare occasions even throw ideas 'over the wall' to the other side (ie AWC to RDD and back).

I say if you want better control, then the staff may need to release a bit of control, bring the subfactions back into the fold and then go from there.

The groundwork is already being laid with the separate Autobot and Decepticon faction subboards, but when the majority of the ppl who talk on those boards already talk on their OWN boards without the majority of the restrictions here, whats the point? So, I say a lil give and take...it shouldn't be an 'us and them' attitude b/w staff and 'clanners', but clans are kinda inevitable in a game like this. If the staff wants our board traffic, than give us more freedom to talk here...

Tammuz wrote:and maybe actually talk to us about stuff regarding us, rather than just locking threads and issuing "YOU ARE NOT WELCOME" statments, that pisses us off, and becuase we feel we're not welcome we can't talk to the staff and resolve the problem, so we retreat further. there is no dialogue between the staff and the clans(or at least my clan)

Fair point. And with that in mind I'll go out on a limb and tell you that the staff is currently reexamining their position on the issue - taking opinions, discussing, etc.

So this is definately a good time to 'talk to the staff' and ameliorate things.

But hey, that's what we're doing right now isn't it?