darkqueen01 wrote:Dark Zarak wrote:darkqueen01 wrote::BOT:"Yes and no. If there are no distinct genders then, yes, in transformers lore there are no females but then that also means that there are no males in Transformers culture. Due to this lack of distinction then that means that individual transformers can look and act in distinctive manners without being labeled as a male or female because this concept does not exist in transformers culture.
Yes, except that every "male" TF is referred to as He, and it is accepted and not only considered normal, but expected. Prime, Megatron, Bumblebee, Starscream, they're all guys. They act like guys without even trying. They downloaded guy personalities from the world wide web. They actually are dudes.
Actually, I would argue this point. You identify them as males because
you are still trying to compare them to humans, which in this case doesn't work because we have two separate concepts: a species with two genders vs. a species with no distinct gender.
I get that this is a hard idea to grasp so allow me to try and break it down a bit. Let me stress that these are just
my random ideas and not necessary any sort of truth about transformers lore.
A-hem.
In our world, gender is reflected in EVERYTHING because [almost] all biological species on this planet have two genders: humans, animals, even plants. These distinctions are reflected in our culture and, most importantly,
in our language.
For us, since there is a BIG NEED to differentiate between males and females we try to identify everything as being male and female. In english: he/she, him/her. This is also seen in other languages, such as spanish: chico/chica, nino/nina.
We even do this with people that have both male and female reproductive organs. In once sense they are a genderless being at birth, at which point you would call on a DNA test to prove genetically if that baby is male or female. Then again you get men who think they are women and vice versa. (That quite frankly is an issue I wish to avoid at this point. This is complicated enough.) In any even you have people that are choosing to be either male or female because that is how our culture operates. You must be one or the other in some shape or form.
With transformers there is no such thing because you need one group to counter another group. With Transformers, if you accept this idea, there is one group, which is a genderless group. As humans we have no concept of this and nothing to go by.
Instead we try to make comparisons so that we can understand a concept that we don't understand. (Example: The eye is like the lens of a camera)
With transformers, since our language reflects that we have no concept of a one gender/lack of gender species, we then attempt to make comparisons. We
want to label these characters as male characters because
we are comparing them to our own culture. Basically, what most people do is think: This transformer has a deep voice and is very strong, he must be a guy.
However, with transformers, if you buy the one gender idea, they do not distinguish themselves into two gender because they don't have two genders.
Hell, there isn't even one gender! To them, they are all just cybertronians. More to the point, there is NO WORD for it in their language because,again, in their culture
they would have no concept of this idea. Since they would not differentiate themselves as being male or female then their language would also represent this.
In other words, in the cybertronian language they would not say "He said this," or "She did that." They might just use their names: "Arcee said this" or "Bonecrusher did that". Or maybe they would replace he and she with what we would consider to be gender neutral terms. It would be like how we humans called a group of guys and girls just "guys" because, with most human languages, we tend to make everything masculine because that goes back into history where women were seen as inferior to men, etc, etc.
All I am trying to say is that there can be no A group if a B group isn't present. They would all just be C, because there is no way to distinguish them.
That's all I got. I HAVE to get to bed now. I look forward to more posts or even flammers, tho I will probably just talk them down to nothingness, as is my way of things.
And besides, IT'S JUST A CARTOON!! *L*
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