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knightedfeline wrote:You're the one that asked for proof, common knowledge is proof, but I will give you that it may not be as common as I thought. You never asked for documentation, besides burden of proof lies with you, not with me. If you prove me wrong, I'll admit I'm wrong. Can you do the same? (Remember that documentation means fully sighting your sources)![]()
knightedfeline wrote:You want more, you find it.
knightedfeline wrote:Also, what are you doing? You looking for a fight or just trying to run a douche test?
Either way for the record, I'm an @$$hole not a douche.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Yeah, I can see where you say that.Shadowman wrote:I thought it was obvious I was asking for documentation. Because what you call "common knowledge" I call "generalizations."
Oooh wow. You just disproved the entire justice system. Burden of proof lies with the one who calls other person a liar.Shadowman wrote:No. You made a point, back it up. Burden of proof doesn't fall with me, it falls with the one who makes the claim. In fact, the fallacy itself is about making a claim, then having your opponent find a way to disprove it while refusing to back it up yourself.
knightedfeline wrote:Also, what are you doing? You looking for a fight or just trying to run a douche test?
Either way for the record, I'm an @$$hole not a douche.
Shadowman wrote:Oh, I already knew that.
Shadowman wrote:then I have nothing to gain by enduring you any longer.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
godzillabot wrote:Well...I would like to see a really powerful female Transformer, or a Prime
or better yet, an all female combiner team!
SlyTF1 wrote:There is a female Prime. And ROTF Arcee and her sisters where designed to combine.
knightedfeline wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:There is a female Prime. And ROTF Arcee and her sisters where designed to combine.
Has the female Prime ever had a toy made of her or been a regular part of a popular series like TF Prime? Also sisters never combined and their combined form wasn't the best.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:knightedfeline wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:There is a female Prime. And ROTF Arcee and her sisters where designed to combine.
Has the female Prime ever had a toy made of her or been a regular part of a popular series like TF Prime? Also sisters never combined and their combined form wasn't the best.
Solus Prime hasn't been in anything yet, (She was only named recently) but chances are she'll appear in TF Prime. They revealed she was one of the Original 13 around the same time they were heavily implying the Original 13 would play a part in TF Prime.
SlyTF1 wrote:Shadowman wrote:knightedfeline wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:There is a female Prime. And ROTF Arcee and her sisters where designed to combine.
Has the female Prime ever had a toy made of her or been a regular part of a popular series like TF Prime? Also sisters never combined and their combined form wasn't the best.
Solus Prime hasn't been in anything yet, (She was only named recently) but chances are she'll appear in TF Prime. They revealed she was one of the Original 13 around the same time they were heavily implying the Original 13 would play a part in TF Prime.
Woah, the first 13 are going to be in Prime? Hell yeah! That's my favorite TF mythology! Hooray!
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Shadowman wrote:knightedfeline wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:There is a female Prime. And ROTF Arcee and her sisters where designed to combine.
Has the female Prime ever had a toy made of her or been a regular part of a popular series like TF Prime? Also sisters never combined and their combined form wasn't the best.
Solus Prime hasn't been in anything yet, (She was only named recently) but chances are she'll appear in TF Prime. They revealed she was one of the Original 13 around the same time they were heavily implying the Original 13 would play a part in TF Prime.
Woah, the first 13 are going to be in Prime? Hell yeah! That's my favorite TF mythology! Hooray!
Supposedly. I can't find the exact quote, but it was heavily implied. In any case, Solus Prime, Vector Prime, and Nexus Prime are all going to appear in Exiles, the sequel to Exodus.
Shadowman wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Shadowman wrote:knightedfeline wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:There is a female Prime. And ROTF Arcee and her sisters where designed to combine.
Has the female Prime ever had a toy made of her or been a regular part of a popular series like TF Prime? Also sisters never combined and their combined form wasn't the best.
Solus Prime hasn't been in anything yet, (She was only named recently) but chances are she'll appear in TF Prime. They revealed she was one of the Original 13 around the same time they were heavily implying the Original 13 would play a part in TF Prime.
Woah, the first 13 are going to be in Prime? Hell yeah! That's my favorite TF mythology! Hooray!
Supposedly. I can't find the exact quote, but it was heavily implied. In any case, Solus Prime, Vector Prime, and Nexus Prime are all going to appear in Exiles, the sequel to Exodus.
Shadowman wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Shadowman wrote:knightedfeline wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:There is a female Prime. And ROTF Arcee and her sisters where designed to combine.
Has the female Prime ever had a toy made of her or been a regular part of a popular series like TF Prime? Also sisters never combined and their combined form wasn't the best.
Solus Prime hasn't been in anything yet, (She was only named recently) but chances are she'll appear in TF Prime. They revealed she was one of the Original 13 around the same time they were heavily implying the Original 13 would play a part in TF Prime.
Woah, the first 13 are going to be in Prime? Hell yeah! That's my favorite TF mythology! Hooray!
Supposedly. I can't find the exact quote, but it was heavily implied. In any case, Solus Prime, Vector Prime, and Nexus Prime are all going to appear in Exiles, the sequel to Exodus.
Stormer wrote:I've got notebooks full of female Transformers who have embarked on all kinds of awesome adventures I wrote when I was younger. I guess girls want girl heroes sometimes - someone to look up to that knows what's important to a girl.
Stormer wrote:WHAT? You don't KNOW where the exact quote is? I want PROOF! Name your source! I don't want generalizations, I want actual documentation!
Stormer wrote:Though, as a female, I can tell you that I remember every teensy tiny detail so that at a later time I can use that against you in cruel and vicious ways...over and over again...
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
knightedfeline wrote:Eclipsica wrote:
This is similiar to ideas I tend to play around with myself. I always find myself in the minority of being bored of a storyline that is overly focused on fighting.
As a child I started to create my own chars, because I saw the series lacking in female chars.
I did just that, I would create my own place populated by mostly female TFs.
That's one of the great things about being a kid.Eclipsica wrote:My other complaint is when there are female TF chars, is how they are protrayed.
I hate female TFs that look like giant women who can't transform into anything.
The message is that male TFs can have variety and females must conform to limited "feminine" forms.
Or that the purpose of female TFs is to be a male TF's lover. I don't care if there's romance in TF or not. I do object when that's the only purpose of the existance of females.
Yeah, that does get annoying. It seems that the writers can't come up with anything other than the three main archetypes, Damsel in Distress, Goddess and Whore. As I said in another post. There's so much more to women.Eclipsica wrote:I am glad I never saw some of these female TF chars as a child. Actually I wish I never saw them now either now that I think about it. I am glad at least something is improving.
Would elaborate on this? Are you talking about my characters or the ones that were posted earlier by Godzillabot?
Shadowman wrote:
Unfortunately, while it may be true for you, you aren't every female. My mom, for instance, has the memory of a goldfish, and even if she can remember certain events, she often remembers them wrong, or react to them as if they're new.
Shadowman wrote: As for Female Transformers, I'm happy with the set we have. Though I do think they could do more with them. Come on, Elita-1's team as, I dunno, Girl Wreckers or something?
knightedfeline wrote:
That's exactly what I'm talking about. Girls need positive role models as well. Transformers are full of positive male role models for boys, but very few if any for girls. That's why I wonder why there aren't more female transformers. I read something a while ago where it said that among all the franchises, TF was gaining more in female fans than any other series. If this is true, then why aren't there more fembots? Don't females deserve a voice in that as well?
Eclipsica wrote:Sorry for the confusion. I was talking about the cannon female chars. Especially the original ones. I would love to see either of your female TF chars. I hope I can share more of my ideas both old and new ones, as my TF art-work becomes less embarrassing.
CelticDragon wrote:But what really bothers me is your comments about your mother. Having dealt with aging parents, I'm going to assume here that the problem isn't that your mother has always been mentally challenged but that perhaps it's a new condition. In which case, I will urge you to be as respectful of her as you can and try to get her to seek medical attention while she still has mental faculties left. There are therapies, drugs and herbs that can slow the process of deterioration remarkably and they are well worth looking into. Other physical problems can best be tackled when small so knowing what the problem is early is better for long term prognosis. Since none of that was my business and it's all off-topic, I'll move on but it just struck a chord with me and I felt compelled to say something. I'll go back to minding my own now.
CelticDragon wrote:Actually, female Wreckers is a cool idea. You mentioned something earlier about the franchise being based on war and fighting (sorry, too lazy to go find your quote), and that got me to thinking. In any society that's at war, the society still has other areas of focus, even if it's devoted to manufacture and research for war. IDW comics touched on this idea. I'd like to see a team of female researchers, explorers and even those involved in general police duties. There isn't an area that couldn't have females, I think part of the problem is that these other areas aren't really explored deeply in the franchise.
CelticDragon wrote:Shadowman wrote:
Unfortunately, while it may be true for you, you aren't every female. My mom, for instance, has the memory of a goldfish, and even if she can remember certain events, she often remembers them wrong, or react to them as if they're new.
Frankly, there are a few things here that bother me. You allow that while this one person might have a good memory, she's not representative of all females, implying that other females have poor memories and then cite your mother as an example. Of course, males can be afflicted with lack of attention to detail, poor memories and many other mental faults.![]()
CelticDragon wrote:I'll go back to minding my own now.
CelticDragon wrote:You mentioned something earlier about the franchise being based on war and fighting (sorry, too lazy to go find your quote), and that got me to thinking. In any society that's at war, the society still has other areas of focus, even if it's devoted to manufacture and research for war. IDW comics touched on this idea. I'd like to see a team of female researchers, explorers and even those involved in general police duties. There isn't an area that couldn't have females, I think part of the problem is that these other areas aren't really explored deeply in the franchise.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
CelticDragon wrote:I personally think there's been a misconception since the 1980's that the fanbase didn't include females until after 2007. This is definitely wrong altho I'm sure the number of female TF fans is smaller than the number of male fans.
I guess I don't see the need, necessarily, for female Transformers to please female fans. At least not characters like most of what we have now. Ironically, the Arcee bikes in ROTF were some of the better female characters, IMO. Too bad the movie didn't leave time for development of personalities. I don't own the toys because the designs didn't appeal to me at all but the characters were better than I expected (you never know what you're going to get when someone throws in random female bots in a movie series like that one).![]()
In my fertile imagination, there have always been female TFs. They functioned as equals and filled the same roles as the males. If that could be represented in the TF media and toys, I'd enjoy it.
CelticDragon wrote:knightedfeline wrote:
That's exactly what I'm talking about. Girls need positive role models as well. Transformers are full of positive male role models for boys, but very few if any for girls. That's why I wonder why there aren't more female transformers. I read something a while ago where it said that among all the franchises, TF was gaining more in female fans than any other series. If this is true, then why aren't there more fembots? Don't females deserve a voice in that as well?
I personally think there's been a misconception since the 1980's that the fanbase didn't include females until after 2007. This is definitely wrong altho I'm sure the number of female TF fans is smaller than the number of male fans.
I guess I don't see the need, necessarily, for female Transformers to please female fans. At least not characters like most of what we have now. Ironically, the Arcee bikes in ROTF were some of the better female characters, IMO. Too bad the movie didn't leave time for development of personalities. I don't own the toys because the designs didn't appeal to me at all but the characters were better than I expected (you never know what you're going to get when someone throws in random female bots in a movie series like that one).![]()
In my fertile imagination, there have always been female TFs. They functioned as equals and filled the same roles as the males. If that could be represented in the TF media and toys, I'd enjoy it.
Shadowman wrote:
Wow, way to completely miss my point. I was pointing out how not everyone is the same.
Shadowman wrote:
You'd better, since you clearly have no clue how me or my family operate. (All that stuff about my mom's terrible memory? She's both aware of it, and she frequently jokes about it; we don't take anything seriously)
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