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Re: Female Transformers

Postby knightedfeline » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:58 am

Shadow: I figured common knowledge was proof enough. You know, it's one of those things where when you say the sky is blue, people recognize the blueness of the sky. If these elements aren't common knowledge, then I must of had a better education than I thought.

You're the one that asked for proof, common knowledge is proof, but I will give you that it may not be as common as I thought. You never asked for documentation, besides burden of proof lies with you, not with me. If you prove me wrong, I'll admit I'm wrong. Can you do the same? (Remember that documentation means fully sighting your sources) :)

You want more, you find it. I already know it. I already read the article that states that females have smaller brains and that males have more neurons (though the reasons why are still up for debate). I know men are more visually oriented because we're more attracted by what we see than women that look for more than visual appearance. I just have to look out the window to see that women are smaller than men. I was taught in my art classes that women look at more detail than men and I've seen it in their artwork. I've gone to the counseling meetings and been told that by the counselors that women stay in abusive relationships longer than men. I read the article that stated women have a different way to commit crime. The overprotective I might be off on because I've only seen 6 overprotective mothers to 2 overprotective fathers. When it comes to crime, every violent act I've seen perpetrated by males and females, I've only seen more vicious attacks made by females than males. That's only a ratio of 5 for male fights 2 for female fights and I can say that the damage I've seen done by those two female fights were far worse than the ones done by males. Males just pushed and hit, the females threw, tore, clawed, pushed, it was like an animal. I guess some people just don't have that much experience under their belt.

I also said torment not aggravate, or taunt. That's not the same as brutal. Read them. I know you can. They're right here. If you need to you can look them up on Dictionary.com.

As far as Kefka, I don't know all the details I was going by my female friend said about. After all I'm a male, and if I want info on females I ask them. Ever try that?

Also, note that Mythbusters did not prove higher endurance. They proved a perception. If they had proved it, then the people being tested would not have been allowed to see the time nor the temperature of the water. If they had proved it, they would have have told the people that the other team did it at a longer time than actually either team actually could and told them to match or exceed. That way it would have eliminated personal perceptions which can alter the outcome. Now if they've gone back and done another pain endurance test since last season, I'd be interested to see. Besides they might be right.

And NO, fighting is not the entire point of the franchise. That's football. ;) The point of the franchise is to make money.

I also wouldn't say that nothing came of it, when referring to the Arcee Spotlight by IDW. (Furman, IDW, 2008) (a little bit of documentation you left out) From what I've read about the story you mentioned, I'd say something very significant came of it, like a bot that went crazy trying to destroy everything she can that goes back to the one that made her the way she is. I'd say something changed. If the writer couldn't come up with something else though, that's a failure of the writer, not the character.

Also, what are you doing? You looking for a fight or just trying to run a douche test?

Either way for the record, I'm an @$$hole not a douche. :D
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Re: Female Transformers

Postby Shadowman » Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:07 am

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knightedfeline wrote:You're the one that asked for proof, common knowledge is proof, but I will give you that it may not be as common as I thought. You never asked for documentation, besides burden of proof lies with you, not with me. If you prove me wrong, I'll admit I'm wrong. Can you do the same? (Remember that documentation means fully sighting your sources) :)


I thought it was obvious I was asking for documentation. Because what you call "common knowledge" I call "generalizations."

knightedfeline wrote:You want more, you find it.


No. You made a point, back it up. Burden of proof doesn't fall with me, it falls with the one who makes the claim. In fact, the fallacy itself is about making a claim, then having your opponent find a way to disprove it while refusing to back it up yourself.

knightedfeline wrote:Also, what are you doing? You looking for a fight or just trying to run a douche test?

Either way for the record, I'm an @$$hole not a douche. :D


Oh, I already knew that.

Now, here's the rule: When you make a claim, you can't back it up with "I know it" or "you look it up" or "it's common knowledge." That's not proof, that's a claim. You make a claim, it's your job, not mine, to back it up. I shouldn't have to find proof for your argument. If you can't figure that out by now (It's not common knowledge, it's common sense) then I have nothing to gain by enduring you any longer.
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Re: Female Transformers

Postby knightedfeline » Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:32 am

Shadowman wrote:I thought it was obvious I was asking for documentation. Because what you call "common knowledge" I call "generalizations."
Yeah, I can see where you say that.

Shadowman wrote:No. You made a point, back it up. Burden of proof doesn't fall with me, it falls with the one who makes the claim. In fact, the fallacy itself is about making a claim, then having your opponent find a way to disprove it while refusing to back it up yourself.
Oooh wow. You just disproved the entire justice system. Burden of proof lies with the one who calls other person a liar.

knightedfeline wrote:Also, what are you doing? You looking for a fight or just trying to run a douche test?

Either way for the record, I'm an @$$hole not a douche. :D


Shadowman wrote:Oh, I already knew that.


If you did, then you would have known what you're getting into.

Shadowman wrote:then I have nothing to gain by enduring you any longer.


Then why did you respond back? Either way, Good riddance. Well that is until you can prove me wrong.
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Re: Female Transformers

Postby Shadowman » Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:58 am

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Okay, obvious troll is obvious. No one could use such broken logic and actually believe it. You got me, take it as a win.
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Re: Female Transformers

Postby knightedfeline » Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:09 pm

Well, what kind of female transformers would people like to see? What would you like to see them doing?
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Re: Female Transformers

Postby Godzillabot Primal » Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:51 pm

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Well...I would like to see a really powerful female Transformer, or a Prime

or better yet, an all female combiner team!
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Re: Female Transformers

Postby SlyTF1 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:26 pm

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godzillabot wrote:Well...I would like to see a really powerful female Transformer, or a Prime

or better yet, an all female combiner team!



There is a female Prime. And ROTF Arcee and her sisters where designed to combine.
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Re: Female Transformers

Postby knightedfeline » Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:38 pm

SlyTF1 wrote:There is a female Prime. And ROTF Arcee and her sisters where designed to combine.


Has the female Prime ever had a toy made of her or been a regular part of a popular series like TF Prime? Also sisters never combined and their combined form wasn't the best.
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Re: Female Transformers

Postby Shadowman » Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:55 pm

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knightedfeline wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:There is a female Prime. And ROTF Arcee and her sisters where designed to combine.


Has the female Prime ever had a toy made of her or been a regular part of a popular series like TF Prime? Also sisters never combined and their combined form wasn't the best.


Solus Prime hasn't been in anything yet, (She was only named recently) but chances are she'll appear in TF Prime. They revealed she was one of the Original 13 around the same time they were heavily implying the Original 13 would play a part in TF Prime.
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Re: Female Transformers

Postby SlyTF1 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:57 pm

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Shadowman wrote:
knightedfeline wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:There is a female Prime. And ROTF Arcee and her sisters where designed to combine.


Has the female Prime ever had a toy made of her or been a regular part of a popular series like TF Prime? Also sisters never combined and their combined form wasn't the best.


Solus Prime hasn't been in anything yet, (She was only named recently) but chances are she'll appear in TF Prime. They revealed she was one of the Original 13 around the same time they were heavily implying the Original 13 would play a part in TF Prime.



Woah, the first 13 are going to be in Prime? Hell yeah! That's my favorite TF mythology! Hooray!
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Re: Female Transformers

Postby Shadowman » Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:09 pm

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Shadowman wrote:
knightedfeline wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:There is a female Prime. And ROTF Arcee and her sisters where designed to combine.


Has the female Prime ever had a toy made of her or been a regular part of a popular series like TF Prime? Also sisters never combined and their combined form wasn't the best.


Solus Prime hasn't been in anything yet, (She was only named recently) but chances are she'll appear in TF Prime. They revealed she was one of the Original 13 around the same time they were heavily implying the Original 13 would play a part in TF Prime.



Woah, the first 13 are going to be in Prime? Hell yeah! That's my favorite TF mythology! Hooray!


Supposedly. I can't find the exact quote, but it was heavily implied. In any case, Solus Prime, Vector Prime, and Nexus Prime are all going to appear in Exiles, the sequel to Exodus.
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Re: Female Transformers

Postby SlyTF1 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:54 pm

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Shadowman wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
knightedfeline wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:There is a female Prime. And ROTF Arcee and her sisters where designed to combine.


Has the female Prime ever had a toy made of her or been a regular part of a popular series like TF Prime? Also sisters never combined and their combined form wasn't the best.


Solus Prime hasn't been in anything yet, (She was only named recently) but chances are she'll appear in TF Prime. They revealed she was one of the Original 13 around the same time they were heavily implying the Original 13 would play a part in TF Prime.



Woah, the first 13 are going to be in Prime? Hell yeah! That's my favorite TF mythology! Hooray!


Supposedly. I can't find the exact quote, but it was heavily implied. In any case, Solus Prime, Vector Prime, and Nexus Prime are all going to appear in Exiles, the sequel to Exodus.


YESSS! That makes me want to finnish Exodus.
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Re: Female Transformers

Postby Godzillabot Primal » Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:08 pm

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Shadowman wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
knightedfeline wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:There is a female Prime. And ROTF Arcee and her sisters where designed to combine.


Has the female Prime ever had a toy made of her or been a regular part of a popular series like TF Prime? Also sisters never combined and their combined form wasn't the best.


Solus Prime hasn't been in anything yet, (She was only named recently) but chances are she'll appear in TF Prime. They revealed she was one of the Original 13 around the same time they were heavily implying the Original 13 would play a part in TF Prime.



Woah, the first 13 are going to be in Prime? Hell yeah! That's my favorite TF mythology! Hooray!


Supposedly. I can't find the exact quote, but it was heavily implied. In any case, Solus Prime, Vector Prime, and Nexus Prime are all going to appear in Exiles, the sequel to Exodus.


Well I didn't know about the famed Solus Prime, but I ment a full five member cobiner team
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Re: Female Transformers

Postby Stormer » Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:26 am

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Shadowman wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
knightedfeline wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:There is a female Prime. And ROTF Arcee and her sisters where designed to combine.


Has the female Prime ever had a toy made of her or been a regular part of a popular series like TF Prime? Also sisters never combined and their combined form wasn't the best.


Solus Prime hasn't been in anything yet, (She was only named recently) but chances are she'll appear in TF Prime. They revealed she was one of the Original 13 around the same time they were heavily implying the Original 13 would play a part in TF Prime.



Woah, the first 13 are going to be in Prime? Hell yeah! That's my favorite TF mythology! Hooray!


Supposedly. I can't find the exact quote, but it was heavily implied. In any case, Solus Prime, Vector Prime, and Nexus Prime are all going to appear in Exiles, the sequel to Exodus.



WHAT? You don't KNOW where the exact quote is? I want PROOF! Name your source! I don't want generalizations, I want actual documentation!

Hahahahaha!!!! Just Kidding! I just couldn't resist poking the bear!

Though, as a female, I can tell you that I remember every teensy tiny detail so that at a later time I can use that against you in cruel and vicious ways...over and over again...

I've got notebooks full of female Transformers who have embarked on all kinds of awesome adventures I wrote when I was younger. I guess girls want girl heroes sometimes - someone to look up to that knows what's important to a girl.
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Re: Female Transformers

Postby knightedfeline » Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:32 am

Stormer wrote:I've got notebooks full of female Transformers who have embarked on all kinds of awesome adventures I wrote when I was younger. I guess girls want girl heroes sometimes - someone to look up to that knows what's important to a girl.


That's exactly what I'm talking about. Girls need positive role models as well. Transformers are full of positive male role models for boys, but very few if any for girls. That's why I wonder why there aren't more female transformers. I read something a while ago where it said that among all the franchises, TF was gaining more in female fans than any other series. If this is true, then why aren't there more fembots? Don't females deserve a voice in that as well?
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Re: Female Transformers

Postby Shadowman » Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:32 pm

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Stormer wrote:WHAT? You don't KNOW where the exact quote is? I want PROOF! Name your source! I don't want generalizations, I want actual documentation!


It was Botcon, they described the Original 13 as "rightfully huge" and used the same description for TF Prime. Not exactly proof positive but the implication is there. If you really want documentation I could probably dig some up.

Stormer wrote:Though, as a female, I can tell you that I remember every teensy tiny detail so that at a later time I can use that against you in cruel and vicious ways...over and over again...


Unfortunately, while it may be true for you, you aren't every female. My mom, for instance, has the memory of a goldfish, and even if she can remember certain events, she often remembers them wrong, or react to them as if they're new.

As for Female Transformers, I'm happy with the set we have. Though I do think they could do more with them. Come on, Elita-1's team as, I dunno, Girl Wreckers or something?
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Re: Female Transformers

Postby Eclipsica » Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:46 pm

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This is similiar to ideas I tend to play around with myself. I always find myself in the minority of being bored of a storyline that is overly focused on fighting.
As a child I started to create my own chars, because I saw the series lacking in female chars.
I did just that, I would create my own place populated by mostly female TFs.


That's one of the great things about being a kid. :D

Eclipsica wrote:My other complaint is when there are female TF chars, is how they are protrayed.
I hate female TFs that look like giant women who can't transform into anything.
The message is that male TFs can have variety and females must conform to limited "feminine" forms.
Or that the purpose of female TFs is to be a male TF's lover. I don't care if there's romance in TF or not. I do object when that's the only purpose of the existance of females.


Yeah, that does get annoying. It seems that the writers can't come up with anything other than the three main archetypes, Damsel in Distress, Goddess and Whore. As I said in another post. There's so much more to women.

Eclipsica wrote:I am glad I never saw some of these female TF chars as a child. Actually I wish I never saw them now either now that I think about it. I am glad at least something is improving.


Would elaborate on this? Are you talking about my characters or the ones that were posted earlier by Godzillabot?



Sorry for the confusion. I was talking about the cannon female chars. Especially the original ones.
I would love to see either of your female TF chars.
I hope I can share more of my ideas both old and new ones, as my TF art-work becomes less embarrassing.
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Re: Female Transformers

Postby CelticDragon » Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:24 pm

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Unfortunately, while it may be true for you, you aren't every female. My mom, for instance, has the memory of a goldfish, and even if she can remember certain events, she often remembers them wrong, or react to them as if they're new.


Frankly, there are a few things here that bother me. You allow that while this one person might have a good memory, she's not representative of all females, implying that other females have poor memories and then cite your mother as an example. Of course, males can be afflicted with lack of attention to detail, poor memories and many other mental faults. :roll:

But what really bothers me is your comments about your mother. Having dealt with aging parents, I'm going to assume here that the problem isn't that your mother has always been mentally challenged but that perhaps it's a new condition. In which case, I will urge you to be as respectful of her as you can and try to get her to seek medical attention while she still has mental faculties left. There are therapies, drugs and herbs that can slow the process of deterioration remarkably and they are well worth looking into. Other physical problems can best be tackled when small so knowing what the problem is early is better for long term prognosis. Since none of that was my business and it's all off-topic, I'll move on but it just struck a chord with me and I felt compelled to say something. I'll go back to minding my own now.

Shadowman wrote: As for Female Transformers, I'm happy with the set we have. Though I do think they could do more with them. Come on, Elita-1's team as, I dunno, Girl Wreckers or something?


Actually, female Wreckers is a cool idea. You mentioned something earlier about the franchise being based on war and fighting (sorry, too lazy to go find your quote), and that got me to thinking. In any society that's at war, the society still has other areas of focus, even if it's devoted to manufacture and research for war. IDW comics touched on this idea. I'd like to see a team of female researchers, explorers and even those involved in general police duties. There isn't an area that couldn't have females, I think part of the problem is that these other areas aren't really explored deeply in the franchise.
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Re: Female Transformers

Postby CelticDragon » Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:33 pm

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That's exactly what I'm talking about. Girls need positive role models as well. Transformers are full of positive male role models for boys, but very few if any for girls. That's why I wonder why there aren't more female transformers. I read something a while ago where it said that among all the franchises, TF was gaining more in female fans than any other series. If this is true, then why aren't there more fembots? Don't females deserve a voice in that as well?


I personally think there's been a misconception since the 1980's that the fanbase didn't include females until after 2007. This is definitely wrong altho I'm sure the number of female TF fans is smaller than the number of male fans.

I guess I don't see the need, necessarily, for female Transformers to please female fans. At least not characters like most of what we have now. Ironically, the Arcee bikes in ROTF were some of the better female characters, IMO. Too bad the movie didn't leave time for development of personalities. I don't own the toys because the designs didn't appeal to me at all but the characters were better than I expected (you never know what you're going to get when someone throws in random female bots in a movie series like that one). :P

In my fertile imagination, there have always been female TFs. They functioned as equals and filled the same roles as the males. If that could be represented in the TF media and toys, I'd enjoy it.
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Re: Female Transformers

Postby knightedfeline » Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:06 pm

Eclipsica wrote:Sorry for the confusion. I was talking about the cannon female chars. Especially the original ones. I would love to see either of your female TF chars. I hope I can share more of my ideas both old and new ones, as my TF art-work becomes less embarrassing.


I might be able to help with that. I'm in the process of becoming getting my degree to become an art teacher.
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Re: Female Transformers

Postby knightedfeline » Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:15 pm

CelticDragon wrote:But what really bothers me is your comments about your mother. Having dealt with aging parents, I'm going to assume here that the problem isn't that your mother has always been mentally challenged but that perhaps it's a new condition. In which case, I will urge you to be as respectful of her as you can and try to get her to seek medical attention while she still has mental faculties left. There are therapies, drugs and herbs that can slow the process of deterioration remarkably and they are well worth looking into. Other physical problems can best be tackled when small so knowing what the problem is early is better for long term prognosis. Since none of that was my business and it's all off-topic, I'll move on but it just struck a chord with me and I felt compelled to say something. I'll go back to minding my own now.


Sorry, just had to connect with someone else that has seen this in their family I'm guessing. I've had an aunt that lost her facilities. It was really disturbing. She wasn't always a nice person, but as her facilities left her she became a real sweetheart, it really showed the depth of damage that had occurred. I never felt sorry for her until she saw me, someone she disliked a great deal, and didn't even know me. It shook me to the bone.

CelticDragon wrote:Actually, female Wreckers is a cool idea. You mentioned something earlier about the franchise being based on war and fighting (sorry, too lazy to go find your quote), and that got me to thinking. In any society that's at war, the society still has other areas of focus, even if it's devoted to manufacture and research for war. IDW comics touched on this idea. I'd like to see a team of female researchers, explorers and even those involved in general police duties. There isn't an area that couldn't have females, I think part of the problem is that these other areas aren't really explored deeply in the franchise.


That's the ticket. Let's get more going on this kind of stuff.
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Re: Female Transformers

Postby Shadowman » Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:19 pm

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Unfortunately, while it may be true for you, you aren't every female. My mom, for instance, has the memory of a goldfish, and even if she can remember certain events, she often remembers them wrong, or react to them as if they're new.


Frankly, there are a few things here that bother me. You allow that while this one person might have a good memory, she's not representative of all females, implying that other females have poor memories and then cite your mother as an example. Of course, males can be afflicted with lack of attention to detail, poor memories and many other mental faults. :roll:


Wow, way to completely miss my point. I was pointing out how not everyone is the same.

CelticDragon wrote:I'll go back to minding my own now.


You'd better, since you clearly have no clue how me or my family operate. (All that stuff about my mom's terrible memory? She's both aware of it, and she frequently jokes about it; we don't take anything seriously)

CelticDragon wrote:You mentioned something earlier about the franchise being based on war and fighting (sorry, too lazy to go find your quote), and that got me to thinking. In any society that's at war, the society still has other areas of focus, even if it's devoted to manufacture and research for war. IDW comics touched on this idea. I'd like to see a team of female researchers, explorers and even those involved in general police duties. There isn't an area that couldn't have females, I think part of the problem is that these other areas aren't really explored deeply in the franchise.


All of those areas already exist, though there's no reason you can't add a few female characters in there anyway.
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Re: Female Transformers

Postby knightedfeline » Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:22 pm

CelticDragon wrote:I personally think there's been a misconception since the 1980's that the fanbase didn't include females until after 2007. This is definitely wrong altho I'm sure the number of female TF fans is smaller than the number of male fans.

I guess I don't see the need, necessarily, for female Transformers to please female fans. At least not characters like most of what we have now. Ironically, the Arcee bikes in ROTF were some of the better female characters, IMO. Too bad the movie didn't leave time for development of personalities. I don't own the toys because the designs didn't appeal to me at all but the characters were better than I expected (you never know what you're going to get when someone throws in random female bots in a movie series like that one). :P

In my fertile imagination, there have always been female TFs. They functioned as equals and filled the same roles as the males. If that could be represented in the TF media and toys, I'd enjoy it.


True the female fan base is smaller than the males, but it has the potential to grow to equal amounts. I don't see why the company can't work on bringing in more female fans.

Frankly, one of the worst things about Bay is how he treats females in his movies. They're basically either eye candy or female versions of male characters. Of the female transformers he actually said, "Yeah, I killed of Arcee in the second movie. I didn't see any need for her."
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Re: Female Transformers

Postby Stormer » Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:36 pm

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That's exactly what I'm talking about. Girls need positive role models as well. Transformers are full of positive male role models for boys, but very few if any for girls. That's why I wonder why there aren't more female transformers. I read something a while ago where it said that among all the franchises, TF was gaining more in female fans than any other series. If this is true, then why aren't there more fembots? Don't females deserve a voice in that as well?


I personally think there's been a misconception since the 1980's that the fanbase didn't include females until after 2007. This is definitely wrong altho I'm sure the number of female TF fans is smaller than the number of male fans.

I guess I don't see the need, necessarily, for female Transformers to please female fans. At least not characters like most of what we have now. Ironically, the Arcee bikes in ROTF were some of the better female characters, IMO. Too bad the movie didn't leave time for development of personalities. I don't own the toys because the designs didn't appeal to me at all but the characters were better than I expected (you never know what you're going to get when someone throws in random female bots in a movie series like that one). :P

In my fertile imagination, there have always been female TFs. They functioned as equals and filled the same roles as the males. If that could be represented in the TF media and toys, I'd enjoy it.


There's no doubt that there are more male fans than female ones. I've been there from the beginning and I knew of a handful of girls who really even knew what Transformers were - other than toys their brothers played with. I'd venture to say, with the exposure from the movies, that more people in general are fans of Transformers than ever before. This is not to discount the numbers of those who were fans before the movies - just an assumption that more people than just existing fans saw and liked the movies enough to get into Transformers further.

I'd like to see the fembots within the franchise get some more character development for sure! I'd like to see Solus Prime as a well developed character with some staying power. In those dusty volumes of my own fan fic, there are a couple of female Transformers that - oh, twenty years ago or so - were developed wonderfully for a teenager...Hmmm, kinda makes me want to revisit those adventures and write again...

In the meantime, bring on Female Wreckers! (And they're gonna have great memories and use them to viciously conquer their boyfri....oops, I mean Decepticons!)
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Re: Female Transformers

Postby CelticDragon » Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:11 pm

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Wow, way to completely miss my point. I was pointing out how not everyone is the same.


I felt like you stated your point poorly. I didn't take it all that seriously, however. Perhaps you missed the sarcasm in there.

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You'd better, since you clearly have no clue how me or my family operate. (All that stuff about my mom's terrible memory? She's both aware of it, and she frequently jokes about it; we don't take anything seriously)


There was no disrespect to you or your family meant or implied nor was there implied that I know anything at all about how your family works. I don't. It's great that you don't take lapses in memory seriously. My point was only that should you decide it is serious (whether or not you still joke about it), there are things that can be done. No offense meant anywhere in that and I'm not implying I know (or particularly care) about how your family operates. No need to be so defensive.
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