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They remade the Hulk, and Batman, all of which are remakes of very recent movies. WIth War for Cybertron round the corner, I beleive there is a good chance of the wider public, wanting to see more of Transformers but of the G1 kind. If the game is as good as it says it is, I think this will spur Habro to rethink the public image of G1. It's obvious teh next installment of the game will be earth bound and hopefully it will follow closely to the G1 storyline. Hulk and Batman remakes prove that a Transformer remake is not inlikely and if the game proves to be a great success, a G1 based movie helped by the hype of the G1 based gam,e, coulb be a reality. I know it's a dream, but it's not an unlikely one at that....

I dont want a G1 movie. I want somthing new, somthing we have never seen before. Thats the problem I have with fundamentalist hardcore G1 fans. They always want the same recycled story all over again. I want somthing exciting, G1 ended over 20 years ago, you know what is going to happen, If you've seen every episode, you know what is going to happen word for word. i want somthing exciting, like in ROTF I was suprised that Optimus died, I mean he died in every other series before, but I just wasnt expecting him to die in the second movie. And Animated, I wasnt expecting Sari being a pretender or Omega Supream. So, G1 was good while it lasted (even though I wasnt even alive then), but G1 is gone (as far as movies and TV shows go) nothing is or ever will be G1.

Uh, I don't know about you, but in live action, the humanish faces and non detail of G1 style just wouldn't work, even with war for Cybertron. I personally like the movies we get now(ROTF disappointed me a little but was still a good movie). Now you say the wider public wants more G1...but that would only be the public from 20 years ago....kids like me who never knew what G1 was probably aren't going to ask about it.

Just my take on it of course...I suppose the G1 designs COULD work in a movie...but the metal skeletal design looks cooler to me...

I think if the 3rd one is anything like ROTF, it just might happen. Im sure Hasbro or Paramount don't wanna keep being associated with the 'golden raspberry awards'.

The world is full of unempathetic people but i too don't see g1 in a real live movie making big bucks except with older transfans

Whatever they'd have put out in 2007 would have done good business, Transformers was ready for the big screen.

SlyTF1 wrote:I dont want a G1 movie. I want somthing new, somthing we have never seen before. Thats the problem I have with fundamentalist hardcore G1 fans. They always want the same recycled story all over again. I want somthing exciting, G1 ended over 20 years ago, you know what is going to happen, If you've seen every episode, you know what is going to happen word for word. i want somthing exciting, like in ROTF I was suprised that Optimus died, I mean he died in every other series before, but I just wasnt expecting him to die in the second movie. And Animated, I wasnt expecting Sari being a pretender or Omega Supream. So, G1 was good while it lasted (even though I wasnt even alive then), but G1 is gone (as far as movies and TV shows go) nothing is or ever will be G1.

G1 started 26 years ago and is going on till this very day with things such as comics, books and toys. So saying it ended 20 years ago is totally and utterly wrong.

While I think the general style of G1 designs could work on the big screen in live action, they would have to be tweaked in a similar way as EJ Sue envisioned them in idw's -tion run or ala Don's new art style. But I still like the movie designs no matter how fugly they are.

And I don't think the general public really gives a **** about the different Transformers versions out there and especially kids, most wouldn't see the difference between G1, AEC or Movie it's just Transformers for them.

Dead Metal wrote:And I don't think the general public really gives a **** about the different Transformers versions out there and especially kids, most wouldn't see the difference between G1, AEC or Movie it's just Transformers for them.

Bingo. The general public and even the fringes of Transformer fandom has no idea what G1 means or about the different storylines.

As long as the big red hero is Prime, he fights with his Autobots against Decepticons then as far as the public is concerned it's transformers. Regardless of how much parts of fandom are concerned about what the movie needs to have, the movie makes more money from people who have no idea about the difference between g1/g2/r.i.d./a/e/c/animated (beast wars does stand out how ever) then it ever will from fans alone.

SEXFIGHTER wrote:I think if the 3rd one is anything like ROTF, it just might happen. Im sure Hasbro or Paramount don't wanna keep being associated with the 'golden raspberry awards'.

Given the profits the movies have made them I think it's a safe bet Hasbro aren't going to give a toss about a award that has little to no influence on how people remember a movie.

Burn wrote:

SEXFIGHTER wrote:I think if the 3rd one is anything like ROTF, it just might happen. Im sure Hasbro or Paramount don't wanna keep being associated with the 'golden raspberry awards'.

Given the profits the movies have made them I think it's a safe bet Hasbro aren't going to give a toss about a award that has little to no influence on how people remember a movie.

Batman and Robin did good business, but Warners heeded the critical backlash and decided to let it rest a few years. I'd like to think it was about a recognition in a fall of standards,learning from mistakes and maintaining dignity...maybe Paramount will do the same. I dont want Transformers to reboot, i'd just like it to be put back on track.

Anyway,for me, G1 was the ongoing UK comic...it was awesome. Still is, more depth than the 86 movie and, withOUT question... R...O...T...F.

Dead Metal wrote:G1 started 26 years ago and is going on till this very day with things such as comics, books and toys. So saying it ended 20 years ago is totally and utterly wrong.

And I'm going counter point that and say not quite so simple Dead Metal. By your logic just because superman has been going since the dawn of comics it's exactly the same. If you've read both,Action comics number 1 and something off the recently that's definitely not the case.(or batman, Spider-man, or any other major comic character) Things have changed, characters have been killed, staff working on it have come and go. Many characters greatly vary between eras despite being the same character title characters.

G1 is an era, and just like Jurassic Park cloned Dinosaurs, people doesn't make it the Prehistoric earth again. Same applies cloning G1 in the present doesn't replicate G1. Or them making Megaman 9 and 10 eight bit styled doesn't make it the 80s again. G1 as we know it did end 20 years ago. The Core experience of G1 is the show.

People might be doing throwbacks, or continued off the original continuity established from the 80s....but they re not same as the 80s, as not all the original writers and artists likely still doing it. It's all elements that were captured once, and never again. Ideas that only would have existed in the 80s are part of G1. (look at the movie designs for all new characters, so much of the 86 is a time capsule of the 80s.) The Core experience ended 20 some years ago even if a few throwbacks carry on.


Not that something new can't be good but always going be different. I mean Bryan Singer tried write a love letter to the Richard Donner films in super man returns, it still didn;t capture the exact feeling. Why fans believe people can somehow do this carbon copy for G1..or why should they?

While I think the general style of G1 designs could work on the big screen in live action, they would have to be tweaked in a similar way as EJ Sue envisioned them in idw's -tion run or ala Don's new art style. But I still like the movie designs no matter how fugly they are.

G1 is too blocky and would look realistic at all. Be like space jam realism next to real people, as the games show this. If you see the G1 skins against the background they look so out of place with the rest of the world.

And I don't think the general public really gives a **** about the different Transformers versions out there and especially kids, most wouldn't see the difference between G1, AEC or Movie it's just Transformers for them.

I think if they didn't look like something fairly realistic in a live action movie, then people would care. Of all designs that exist, the movies only modernized one that takes more current sensiblities and actually was created with the intent of what looks good in real life. All rest were conceived as comic and cartoon characters.(In same light I think the movie style faces should stayed out of the comics.) What looks good in one media doesn't always fly in another, as plenty of super heroes get their outfits ganked between mediums.

To just say oh fans wouldn't care, that's fairly baseless as we have no idea how good or bad these things would actually look in real life setting. Many of the fans of transformers worked on the movies, so not like these people just pushed all G1 like qualities out of the product simply for spite, perhaps it would have worked very well is the real answer. Bay only approved the designs, he isn't an artist and sure as heck didn't create them on a computer.

You're pretty dismissive of G1. G1 lasted nearly 10 years,all the other incarnations, Armada etc, were rebooted each time after a year or 2, and were all an attempt to recreate a G1 style show. Not that im saying there was anything wrong with them. Beast wars was more a continuation of G1, and well done it was too. If the sophisticated forward thinking ROTF fans out there wouldn't accept a more G1 look, how come they'll accept a script that, internationally, made peoples eyes water? That film has been mauled by all, not just me...i WANTED to like it, but i couldn't accept THAT. Im hearing good things for 3 so, maybe we'll all have something to smile about next year.

Wow. Here we go again. We understand that you don't like the freaking movie. Go watch your copy of TDK for god's sake and stop beating the horse. The sucker is as dead as it can be.

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Dead Metal wrote:G1 started 26 years ago and is going on till this very day with things such as comics, books and toys. So saying it ended 20 years ago is totally and utterly wrong.

And I'm going counter point that and say not quite so simple Dead Metal. By your logic just because superman has been going since the dawn of comics it's exactly the same. If you've read both,Action comics number 1 and something off the recently that's definitely not the case.(or batman, Spider-man, or any other major comic character) Things have changed, characters have been killed, staff working on it have come and go. Many characters greatly vary between eras despite being the same character title characters.

Superman, as everything else DC, has been rebooted over and over because DC never managed to keep their continuity straight, that's the reason why the Joker now has "evolving madness". The DC characters from the different eras are all contained in their own little universe, I don't count them as one and the same thing, but I mostly don't care for them. Spider-Man and the rest of the Marvel characters are still the exact same persons they started out as (save for a few exceptions) these persons just evolved over time the same as you did, I mean you where once a baby and evolved into who you are today, does that mean your current self is a completely different thing entirely from you with 5? Just because their worlds and people around them have evolved and kept changing dosen't make them a wholly different thing, only if they decided to start something completely different. Is our planet a new planet just because it's no longer 2009?
Transformers is different, every now and then a new version comes out, their not meant to be a continuation of a previous incarnation, save for a few exceptions of course, and even if the characters shares their names they are not and never where meant to be the same individual, save for the obvious exceptions of course.

G1 is an era, and just like Jurassic Park cloned Dinosaurs, people doesn't make it the Prehistoric earth again. Same applies cloning G1 in the present doesn't replicate G1. Or them making Megaman 9 and 10 eight bit styled doesn't make it the 80s again. G1 as we know it did end 20 years ago. The Core experience of G1 is the show.

So going by that logic, the true G1 ended with More than Meets the Eyes part 3 as that had elements and and end that was not carried over into the rest of the show. Which means everything past that episode is not G1. And the cartoon is not the core experience of G1.

People might be doing throwbacks, or continued off the original continuity established from the 80s....but they re not same as the 80s, as not all the original writers and artists likely still doing it. It's all elements that were captured once, and never again. Ideas that only would have existed in the 80s are part of G1. (look at the movie designs for all new characters, so much of the 86 is a time capsule of the 80s.) The Core experience ended 20 some years ago even if a few throwbacks carry on.

G1 is more than just an era, it's the characters, the main concept and many other things. Most consider The Cartoon to be the core experience, although the comics came first the truth is however the core experience is the concept, characters and their toys, not the comics and not the show and as long as those elements are present anything officially labelled as G1 is G1.

Not that something new can't be good but always going be different. I mean Bryan Singer tried write a love letter to the Richard Donner films in super man returns, it still didn;t capture the exact feeling. Why fans believe people can somehow do this carbon copy for G1..or why should they?

I think you misunderstood me.

While I think the general style of G1 designs could work on the big screen in live action, they would have to be tweaked in a similar way as EJ Sue envisioned them in idw's -tion run or ala Don's new art style. But I still like the movie designs no matter how fugly they are.

G1 is too blocky and would look realistic at all. Be like space jam realism next to real people, as the games show this. If you see the G1 skins against the background they look so out of place with the rest of the world.

I still think you misunderstood me, I said they have to be tweaked ala EJ Sue's and Don's style, aka making them more realistic and convincing.

And I don't think the general public really gives a **** about the different Transformers versions out there and especially kids, most wouldn't see the difference between G1, AEC or Movie it's just Transformers for them.

I think if they didn't look like something fairly realistic in a live action movie, then people would care. Of all designs that exist, the movies only modernized one that takes more current sensiblities and actually was created with the intent of what looks good in real life. All rest were conceived as comic and cartoon characters.(In same light I think the movie style faces should stayed out of the comics.) What looks good in one media doesn't always fly in another, as plenty of super heroes get their outfits ganked between mediums.

To just say oh fans wouldn't care, that's fairly baseless as we have no idea how good or bad these things would actually look in real life setting. Many of the fans of transformers worked on the movies, so not like these people just pushed all G1 like qualities out of the product simply for spite, perhaps it would have worked very well is the real answer. Bay only approved the designs, he isn't an artist and sure as heck didn't create them on a computer.

You really didn't get what I said there:
The general public doesn't care and know what the huge difference is between the different versions of Transformers, G1, RID, AEC, Animated Movie they don't have any idea what that means they just realise it as being Transformers sure they'll be confused as to why the characters look different but the fact is they don't distinguish between them. For them it's the same. Which means they don't give a toss about the movies not being exactly the same as G1 in form of characters, look and logic they don't even know what G1 is most only know the movies.
I am not saying the movies should be G1 or Animated or RID, I'm saying they should be what they are, their own thing. And anybody claiming the general public wants the movies to be G1 is just lying to themselves. So don't try to explain to me what I already know.

Prime Riblet wrote:Wow. Here we go again. We understand that you don't like the freaking movie. Go watch your copy of TDK for god's sake and stop beating the horse. The sucker is as dead as it can be.

At least try and comment on the subject before you commence baiting Ribeye..thanks. Have a good Bay...i mean day

SEXFIGHTER wrote:

Prime Riblet wrote:Wow. Here we go again. We understand that you don't like the freaking movie. Go watch your copy of TDK for god's sake and stop beating the horse. The sucker is as dead as it can be.

At least try and comment on the subject before you commence baiting Ribeye..thanks. Have a good Bay...i mean day

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Dead Metal wrote:

Lastjustice wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:G1 started 26 years ago and is going on till this very day with things such as comics, books and toys. So saying it ended 20 years ago is totally and utterly wrong.

And I'm going counter point that and say not quite so simple Dead Metal. By your logic just because superman has been going since the dawn of comics it's exactly the same. If you've read both,Action comics number 1 and something off the recently that's definitely not the case.(or batman, Spider-man, or any other major comic character) Things have changed, characters have been killed, staff working on it have come and go. Many characters greatly vary between eras despite being the same character title characters.

Superman, as everything else DC, has been rebooted over and over because DC never managed to keep their continuity straight, that's the reason why the Joker now has "evolving madness". The DC characters from the different eras are all contained in their own little universe, I don't count them as one and the same thing, but I mostly don't care for them. Spider-Man and the rest of the Marvel characters are still the exact same persons they started out as (save for a few exceptions) these persons just evolved over time the same as you did, I mean you where once a baby and evolved into who you are today, does that mean your current self is a completely different thing entirely from you with 5? Just because their worlds and people around them have evolved and kept changing dosen't make them a wholly different thing, only if they decided to start something completely different.

Ok, want to really get technical with me, fine. I thought someone might pull infinite crisis card on that point.I will drive my point home then heh.

For marvel side of things marvel been same characters since the 60s for majority of main characters. But how some of these characters are is quite different from their original release.

Take Ironman he was a poster child for America's industrialism against the red threat, he currently is a mouth piece for that , and more recently was dealing with civil liberties and the government going too far in civil war. Captain America was a recruitment poster boy, and then later evolved into a character against the establishment and keeping true to the american dream. While on paper they re same character, they've changed greatly. They're products of their era.

Heck if anything was made during the 90s, it definitely had the dark age mentality ooze into it's pages. I doubt even transformers was safe from that as Generation 2 tried be "extreme."

Since 1984, there have been many comic books that take place in the Generation One continuity. They include:

The Transformers (Marvel Comics) - The original Transformers comic, published by Marvel and Marvel UK in the 1980s, and later reprinted by Titan Books.
Generations - an IDW series reprinting select issues of the Marvel book.
Transformers in 3D - Three issues produced by Blackthorne publishers in 1987.
G.I. Joe crossovers -- several stories from several publishers have featured G.I. Joe meeting up with the G1 Transformers.
The Transformers (Dreamwave comic) - Several miniseries and a canceled ongoing, published by Dreamwave. The same continuity includes:
The War Within
Transformers: Micromasters
The Transformers (IDW comic) - The current semi-ongoing series with associated mini-series and one-shot titles, largely overseen by Simon Furman. Includes:

This was not all done by same people, in fact was done by different companies all together. Those are as much G1 as the New star trek movie is the original star trek. Not only did they not follow the show, they didn't even follow each other. Dreamwave didn't take right off where Marvel (which it had two Micro-continuities) when they deemed it unprofitable to continue printing transformers comics. (which they had Generation 2 which by default would stop it from being G1 comics, since the series made a very deliberate change of direction for the franchise, bringing it into the 1990s with extreme violence and carnage, huge guns, gritty plot lines, and a fair amount of gratuitous character death.)

IDW didn't pick up where dreamwave left off when they went bankrupt.(it's not like Star Trek where they followed up the original series with next generation, then DS9,voyager which are all same universe/continuity.) The started their own REMAKE of G1 in the wake of that. None of these are same continuity, there for G1 ENDED!! They are G1 only in name and inspiration.

You can debate that's the same, but then like saying Pre-crisis and Post Crisis superman are same. You'd be wrong.

G1 is more than just an era, it's the characters, the main concept and many other things. Most consider The Cartoon to be the core experience, although the comics came first the truth is however the core experience is the concept, characters and their toys, not the comics and not the show and as long as those elements are present anything officially labelled as G1 is G1.

That's fundmentally flawed. Like saying anyone who paints a Mona Lisa is a Davinci. No it would be a remake of it. That's what exists now, remakes using same characters in a new series.

You really didn't get what I said there:

I concede this point after rereading what you said. I agree with you after doing so.

I am not saying the movies should be G1 or Animated or RID, I'm saying they should be what they are, their own thing. And anybody claiming the general public wants the movies to be G1 is just lying to themselves. So don't try to explain to me what I already know.

Yeah I agree anyone who thinks the public is just dying for g1 be revisited is sadly mistake. Most public barely remembers it, and probably couldn't tell you difference at a glance between the following series. I know my sister couldn't as she saw Armada and just knew was transformers before the 2007 movie came out. I had explain that there was several series since.

By SexFighter
You're pretty dismissive of G1.

Sorry I see it for what it is. It was fun for what it was(i still enjoy watching it,as I'm rewatching some of it atm on a reviewing all of G1 thread I'm following.), but some fans make it out to too much of a sacred cow.(I dismiss many as simply being unable take off their nostalgia goggles) It's stories were usually shallow(outside of multiple part episodes they rarely brought much depth.), and generally just took an idea and screwed around with it for 20 mins, then aburptly wrapped it up.

The 86 film did the same thing, just on a larger scale. Screwed around with an idea and let it randomly go whereever, then slammed on the brakes to quickly end it. It was hardly the hallmark of storytelling. It got the intial idea out there,bring us alot of rememberable characters(which the cartoon couldn't juggle very well. Massive casts are better for comics than animated shows since they can spotlight individuals better and have more windows to do it.) but it had hardly scratched the surface of what you could do with.

Beastwars might have followed up G1 Continuity, but it refined the mythos considerably during it's reign. G1 was sloppy, and never focused on having story arcs. Beast wars did, and gave us far more depth on top of just robots beating crap out of each other. The Unicron Trilogy, was alright, I wouldn't dismiss as simply a G1 clone, because like all series reboots, they all manage bring atleast one cool character or idea out of them. Most had several.

Burn wrote:

SEXFIGHTER wrote:

Prime Riblet wrote:Wow. Here we go again. We understand that you don't like the freaking movie. Go watch your copy of TDK for god's sake and stop beating the horse. The sucker is as dead as it can be.

At least try and comment on the subject before you commence baiting Ribeye..thanks. Have a good Bay...i mean day

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Sorry moderators. I wasn't trying to bait. Just being honest.

As long as they make remakes out of something, nothing ends.

G1 went on with the japanese G1, G2 (many toys' bio give a basic idea), Beast Wars, the japanese BW series and Beast Machines, so it did not end 20 years ago, since it was still one continuity. Then, it got reinvented in Armada, and then the Movie universe, and Animated. It is still the same generation if they use the same core characters and the same base story.

If they don't use Optimus, Megatron, Bumblebee and other names, I'll accept they buried G1, but as it is, it haunts every new series until it is properly revisited.

As long as they make remakes out of something, nothing ends.

Just so it's perfectly clear since people seem be not getting it or mincing the heck out of words.

Remake/reboot= New continuity

Example Adam West's batman then was rebooted to Burton Batman films were rebooted to nolan's batman films. These are not same continuity. Yes they used same characters names, but they are quite different.

Sequel/Prequel= Same continuity

Example all star wars movies, Transformers 2007 and revenge of the fallen. They are directly connected to existing storylines. They did not restart the story and retell anything from square one.

Everything falls into one of these catagories when dealing with an existing IP. If it's not a sequel or prequel to existing stories...then its not the same Continuity. transformers is far from dead as they keep it going, as more popular than it's ever been. G1 on the other hand is quite dead in all forms. I'd hope this ends the sementics of language dealing with series. You can tell me new series are the spiritual sucessor to G1, but they are still reboots and remakes not the same continuity.

Lastjustice wrote:

As long as they make remakes out of something, nothing ends.

Just so it's perfectly clear since people seem be not getting it or mincing the heck out of words.

Remake/reboot= New continuity

Example Adam West's batman then was rebooted to Burton Batman films were rebooted to nolan's batman films. These are not same continuity. Yes they used same characters names, but they are quite different.

However, ALL based on Batman and containing all the common gimmicks, the cave,Alfred, the gadgets, the batmobile,same thing, done a different style, using new techniques in a different era. No RADICAL overhauls, like Bay has done, but in essence you're right..


Example all star wars movies, Transformers 2007 and revenge of the fallen. They are directly connected to existing storylines. They did not restart the story and retell anything from square one.

Very true.

Everything falls into one of these catagories when dealing with an existing IP. If it's not a sequel or prequel to existing stories...then its not the same Continuity. transformers is far from dead as they keep it going, as more popular than it's ever been. G1 on the other hand is quite dead in all forms. I'd hope this ends the sementics of language dealing with series. You can tell me new series are the spiritual sucessor to G1, but they are still reboots and remakes not the same continuity.

I don't agree. IDW, Dreamwave, these may be reboots of a sort, but they are, without a dought, GENERATION 1. While IDW pumps out a G1 comic, then it lives. I suppoose thats how you see it and thats fair play but i see it another way, its all down to the individual. No ones winning this one.

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Prime Riblet wrote:Sorry moderators. I wasn't trying to bait. Just being honest.

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It was a joke. Must you make it so obvious to everyone on this board that you don't like me?...dear me.