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The Legend wrote:Seibertron wrote:That's interesting. I had never heard the term until the last 5 years or so. Would love to see some documentation on this. I can't find anything pre-Armada about it and at that, it seems like the term wasn't in wide use until the movies.
You serious?
Seibertron wrote:The best thing about the Transformers is that there's really something for everyone. Anyone who thinks that others should think and feel the exact way as they do about certain segments of the Transformers ought to have their head checked.
The Legend wrote:Transformers 101?
Counterpunch wrote:The Legend wrote:Seibertron wrote:The term actually came about during the first movie when fans, like myself, were upset at the designs of the robots in the first movie.
The term was in use way before that.
Yea, this came up during the Beast Wars era.
Is it insulting? Yes, but there's some truth behind it all.
OptiMagnus10 wrote:Counterpunch wrote:The Legend wrote:Seibertron wrote:The term actually came about during the first movie when fans, like myself, were upset at the designs of the robots in the first movie.
The term was in use way before that.
Yea, this came up during the Beast Wars era.
Is it insulting? Yes, but there's some truth behind it all.
I think the three sentences above pretty much end the arguement here. I also thought "GeeWunner" came up in the Beast Era after the whole "Trukk Not Munky" thing, instead of the the current Movieverse.
Seibertron wrote:I would personally just like to see its usage on any of the forums that were around during that time or on alt.toys.transformers. Oldest usage of "geewunners" on alt.toys.transformers, which has been around since long before any of the current Transformers message boards, is from January 2006. If I recall correctly, Counterpunch wasn't collecting Transformers during the Beast Wars so without a link, I'm not taking his statement as fact. Just looking for usage of the term "Geewunner" during that time.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys ... scoring=d&
I think you guys are confusing "Trukk not Munky" with "Geewunners".
Burn wrote:Wasn't alt.toys.transformers the only online TF resource around during Beast Wars?
I don't think the forum communities as such popped up until after and that's when more people got back into the fandom and when the "Trukk not Monkey" thing started, which in turn would have sporned "Geewunners".
OptiMagnus10 wrote:What I meant to say is that "GeeWunner" came from the fans who complained and "campaigned" against the change from machines to animals in the Beast Era. I understand that the "Trukk Not Munky" phrase itself came later. Sorry for the confusion, because I am unfortunately good at doing that.
Burn wrote:To sum things up basically.
"Geewunner" would have started post-BW/BM and would have applied to those (few at the time) people who couldn't get past the "trukk not monkey" thing.
Once the movies hit "Geewunners" became more prevailant as more older fans came out of the woodwork and took on an even more derogatory term around that time.
Probably in the last year or so it's become less derogatory, because as previously said in this thread, Hasbro are trying to cater to the more vocal "Geewunners" with the Classics/Generations stuff.
Seibertron wrote:OptiMagnus10 wrote:What I meant to say is that "GeeWunner" came from the fans who complained and "campaigned" against the change from machines to animals in the Beast Era. I understand that the "Trukk Not Munky" phrase itself came later. Sorry for the confusion, because I am unfortunately good at doing that.
I literally meant what I said about the term "Geewunner". I think you guys are confusing my statement about the use of the actual term "Geewunners" with the diehards who are just "g1" fans. I was literally referring to the term "Geewunners" which ultimately saw traction around 2006 as more and more of the movie's designs came about, though as you can see from the links I provided that there is evidence of its usage almost 3 years prior back in 2003. I wasn't questioning whether or not die-hard fans of some element of the Transformers brand, primarily G1, were stubborn and whether or not slang terms were used to describe groups of fans with opposing views.
Basically, any time the Transformers themselves "transformed" or evolved into something new, fans have been very divisive about any change introduced into our hobby. This holds true not just for the Transformers hobby but for many aspects of life in general.
I feel like fans are like this about the current Power Core Combiners line. It'll be interesting to see how this line is looked upon in future years.
Cyber Bishop wrote:I am a G1 fan that can find a little something to enjoy in almost every TF series..
Burn wrote:Cyber Bishop wrote:I am a G1 fan that can find a little something to enjoy in almost every TF series..
OH! You're like me then. A Transformers fan.
bvzxa wrote:I love G1. That's where it all began. However, I like the pose ability of the today's toys. G1 had bricks or stues that moved mostly their arms if that. The cartoon had numerous errors in animation and continuity. Japan kinda got it half right. To be honest the best TF series was Beast Wars. I was a die hard G1 fan but it was this series that made TF kinda come back before the movie.
Burn wrote:Why is it impressive that people still like Beast Wars?
Rodimus Prime wrote:Why in the hell is it necessary to label people? We're ALL Transfans in one way or another!
And I grew up on G1 (comics and cartoons, but prefer comics) but I do like Beast Wars very much.
Burn wrote:I still fail to see why it's "impressive".
Beast Wars was, by the opinions of a LOT of TF fans, one of the best series in TF lore.
Sure, there's not much reference to it these days, but there's not much reference to Machine Wars, and if it wasn't for the club, there'd be no love for shown for G2 or RiD.
And BW had it's tenth anniversary line.
As for all the "Trukk not Munkey" ... you know, until this thread was started, I hadn't seen it on these forums in years. So unless it's prevailant on other forums I think that particular TF meme is pretty dead.
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