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Okay, the Bay Bashing fashion period is over (retro will kick in next year),the Bay Basher-Bashers are done with their circuit and Geewunners are the ones for the in crowds to hunt now.

Seriously:When is the last time somebody saw a post from a "Geewunner"?

Apparently the defenition of "Geewunner" is somebody that can only function in order to insist, or prove, that G1 is the only working/workable version of TF and all others should be discontinued and G1 should be rebegun.They won't listen to or forward any other talk.

I have not yet seen such a post.I have not yet interacted with such a person here.If "Geewunners" were around (in the specific manifestation that I keep reading about) then they're either converted, extinct, have set up their own forum somewhere else where we can't bash them, or else they were little squids that everyone here is making out to be Kraken.

I've met many people here who are G1 fans and-then-some.I am one of the many people here who see SOME good things in G1 that should be inherited by the later Gens.I see this big reaction to the "Geewunner" problem but no "Geewunners".

If we're going to have an interfering factor to our hobby, let's make it a real one, please?

Or else, can somebody step forward and educate me on the whereabouts of these 'problematics' who I've seen get flamed for their opinions and have yet to see reply in their opinions defense? I want to learn why I should hate them.

Enlighten me.

HasTakomy gave us Classics/Henkei. Our rage is numbed.

I love Geewun, but I also love some of the Bayverse too (Barricade, Blackout, and Ravage- and that's it.) So does that make me a not-pure geewunner?

But I think 'pure' Geewunners are rare. I do think the G1 is superior to most other versions (Megatron, St,Sk and Th, Fre-Rumb, and most others.) But I also think that Bayverse would rock if it had been done right.

I thought a "Geewunner" was a person who was into TFs during the original run (ME!)

I didn't realize that it meant "If it's not G1, IT'S CRAP!".

Ok, I'm guessing from discussing with this stuff with Smoketreader earlier that I kind of brought this up (see thread: Has TF Lost its Magic?). I hope not to cause an arguement here, but the new defintion of a GeeWunner that is phasing in is being one who ONLY believes in G1 and despises ANYTHING that succeeded G1 (may or may not include some classic lines), and also wants to spread the message of the "ruin" of the Transformers brand to fans, basically trying to brainwash us all. The original term came from fans who still loved G1, but were still true fans, and it still can mean that.

All GEEWUNers agree everything after G1 Ruined Transformers FOREVER!

I consider myself Geeunner.I define that as someone that was born durning that era that hold G1 over all other lines.I like other lines even Beastwars, but at the end of the day G1 is still my favorite.

I'm an open minded Gewunner. Grew up with the show, will probably turn my G1 collection over to my kid one of these days. I occasionally buy new iterations of figs from the old days and a lot of Encores for the figs I missed 25 years ago.

My collection spans:

Season 1 and Season 2

I don't own Jetfire, the Dinobots and Wheeljack.Not to mention the Omnibots,Whirl and Roadbuster, Protectobots limbs For the 'cons, no Ramjet and Thrust.Deluxe 'cons and Motormaster.

Season 3

Still don't own Blurr, Technobots,Terrorcons,Sandstorm,Octane,Broadside and Scourge.

Season 4

No Scorponok, Siren, Targetmnasters (except Hotrod), cassetalts, Sparkabots, 'con Pretenders,Getaway and a whole lot more.

I don't mind nor look down on new iterations of tfs. I do find the bayformers design kind of "bugly"
TFA IMHO had a good storyline but IMHO horrid "chinstacular" designs....it was kind off overloaded with G1 fan wank....no complaints there (really hated the chins )

You just can't beat the original. Though I'm reserving my opinions for the upcoming show, again with Starscream's chin....what's with all this chin fetish?

Thanks for all your replies, and although I'm hesitant about apologizing for being upset that a minority is getting bashed, I still apologize that I posted with a little anger rather than waiting to cool down first.

Energon is My Drug- it's good to see you're still around and it's good to hear from you. I'm starting to get the vibe that Geewunners are being colored up as a group of dumbasses out of convenience.I think it intially just meant G1 era person.

Zombie Starscream:Hi!:I won't label you, but if someone is any format of Geewunner,then the definition of Geewunner should be written by both sides of the G1 debate.

OptiMagnus: Heya! Yes, I posted this immediately after our other group discussion, but I had read four other threads before that.There was a Geewunner topic somewhere in each.

To the rest of the gang that replied so far: I'm not ignoring you, I incorporate my replies below after first proofread.

Each NewGen fan who first enters this board is quickly going be confronted with posts discussing the full 'Hasbro-doesn't-care-no--yes-they-do-'/'Bay-is-a-No-You're-a-' history lesson (and I know-I gripe and yet the freshest post is from my own hands-I get it).
Kinda-sorta, this is a crying shame,and maybe even an unattractive public spectacle, but Kinda-sorta,it's at least Good for them to know (Maybe 'healthy' and 'important' sometimes, too) that this is how the actual TF hobby is going -TODAY-.

Important or stupid, big story or no story, the G1 comparison is part of Hobby History and the debate is going on and won't drop dead because the proper solution hasn't been found yet.


But That's not my complaint in this thread: My complaint is that the people who are supportive of G1 elements in the TF universe are not purestrain G1 ONLY fans. They are cross-period fans who acknowledge that G1 is the 'raw energon' in every other energon strain.Each of us wants the best for each period, and this can only happen with sharing-out of the BEST of each one detail to each other detail. No matter how much we pretend that each next line is different or new, it comes from the G1 Father Tree, and the G1 elements are undeniably there every single time.Beating around the bush with this is a waste of time,energy and progress.
EDIT: BUT,G2+ it is not G1,it is what its' own name says it is, and if we wanna romanticize G1 through it, then it's what our G1 toys were fighting to keep from extinction.

I'm not asking anybody to be afraid of 'grouping' anybody else on this board-I mean that with all my heart...share my beliefs eye-to-eye or call me overdramatic-it's fair when you say it because what I'm doing is affecting you:it's important that you push back, but CONVINCE me, and everyone else, that I'm wrong, don't just label me as being wrong.I want to find the ways to move past my downsides with the hobby just like I reckon everybody else does.

DISCLAIMER:I'm sure that Hasbro, in 1984, weren't expecting this fanbase to exist (and be so vehement.I suspect our attitude and conduct is a bit more normal in Takaras eyes).WE are definitely lucky to have TFs, and altho it's surely a monster headache for Hasbro to be stuck having to watch out for this minefield or raving loons that is us, other toy companies must surely be jealous and wish they had at least one product with the same popularity factor and such a defensive/protective [element within] the fanbase.

I mean, Gods help poor old Hasbro if the My Little Pony fans and Mr PotatoHead Fans started going off like us as well, I'd pity Hasbro, honestly, what a nightmare that would be!!

EDIT: Regardless, in terms of a toy companies' wildest dreams,they're still lucky (maybe blessed) to have a product with a fanbase who will shout/fight to tailor it into what will keep getting bought, rather than a fanbase who will walk out and shut the door behind them on first sign of 'irreconcileable difference'.

My personal experience with Geewunners has always been F2F. they seem to prefer one on one discussions, or scenarios that increase their odds of a victorious argument. This forum and others like it are counter-productive towards close-minded individuals, as they give all commers equal chance to voice opinions-usually better thought out than "Nothing beats G1!!!11"

Me? I'm a RiDer. We are few, and very fragile.



(I also wanna see a group of rabid My Little Pony fans)

Sorry, but your Geewuners are in another castle:

transformers-movie-forum-f44.php?f=44

Also, they only come out when the movies come around.

Being a Geewuunner is different from a G1 fan.
If you like anything outside of G1(like Beast Wars) then you are not one.

Quote from the wiki:

The term is not intended as a catch-all nickname for anybody who likes Generation 1, only those who refuse to accept anything other than it (or at least how they remember it, correctly or not). It is, alas, often used in this way by those who do not like Generation 1 and are seeking to insult those who do. Additionally, "Geewunners" themselves sometimes trot the term around as evidence of "persecution", in the process misconstruing the term to make it appear worse (i.e., claiming that people that use the term hate Generation 1 and everyone who likes it).

Skyfire77 wrote:All GEEWUNers agree everything after G1 Ruined Transformers FOREVER!

I agree and disagree. Disagreement: Not all GeeWunners hate everything after G1. but many still love G1 and are loyal to it and are still loyal to Transformers in general. Agreement: The Ruined FOREVER pages were definitely posted by the close-minded GeeWunner "clan" who hates all other continuities, and wants the rest of us to think the same. These contradict what the TF wikis are there for, and I have even recommended the page's removal on the Teletraan I TF wiki, and I also will on TFwiki.net now that I have an account there.

OptiMagnus10 wrote:Agreement: The Ruined FOREVER pages were definitely posted by the close-minded GeeWunner "clan" who hates all other continuities, and wants the rest of us to think the same. These contradict what the TF wikis are there for, and I have even recommended the page's removal on the Teletraan I TF wiki, and I also will on TFwiki.net now that I have an account there.

Um, you do know the Ruined FOREVER page is totally taking the piss, yes?

I don't know about the rest of you and I'm not going to go onto the subject of what a Geewunner is, But as for my personal perspective-

I grew up during the G1 & G2 runs, I had lots of the G1 and G2 toys as a kid and I tend to compare other series to G1.
More specifically I prefer the character personality's, background/Bios and general story of G1 to other series. And because of this every time I watch a post G1 series I find myself comparing the character on screen to his original G1 version. I always find myself trying to fit series into the G1 universe, to some extent...

For example: Car Robots/RiD- When I first watched this series, it was on youtube, in Japanese, because of this and that the characters seem so far from their G1 versions to me, I have always called them by their Japanese names and consider them different characters entirely. Fire Convoy(Optimus in America) just isn't Optimus to me...
Though I like the series, the only way it fits into the G1 universe is to consider it a different dimension entirely.

Soo now I lost track of what I was even getting at and I should be in bed anyways so I'm gonna stop their...

Wow.

I have to admit that when I typed up the opening post, I was secretly afraid I'd incite some kind of big brawl,that's why I did it when I was still angry-if I cooled down I'd be too timid and let things go for fear of disturbing the status quo (and being responsible for it).
The current line-up of regular posters on this board is an unbelievably enjoyable group of people to follow during all the different discussions. I seriously hope more people who just watch will start posting too.

So there IS such an entity, as defined in the worst meanings of the titles' use. They do congregate elsewhere, and they do actively 'campaign' using a 'welcome to my universe' Antlion/Trapdoor spider attempt (in a positive metaphoric application).
They won't come here because they either feel victimised, misunderstood, intolerated (tho they also won't tolerate) or maybe they consider us mainstream as opposed to dedicated.However, at least some of them have twisted our stance towards them into a hostile stance, to help them in their own cosmology, whilst some of us have twisted our categorization of them into a hostile one anyway.

So it's a stalemate of ideaologies.

*scratching head*

Okay: Primus would say: "You are all my children".

Optimus would say: "Their [civilization] should be free, to the point where we should mobilize to defend it when it's threatened."

Rodimus would say: "How can we ever unite if we leave our differences free?"

Prowl would say: "As an extension of our [civilization] they should be left in place to fortify the common causes between [our subfactions] during the times that our objectives merge. Our disagreements are not calculateable as serious, and counterpropaganda can readily be sewn into their websites at periodic intervals if the need should arise".

Wheeljack & Perceptor would say: "Their [civilization] is older than ours and was projected to result in a Golden age -for us to share,mind you- that has been superceded by our own [civilizations'] appearance. They are now a [civilization] almost in ruins, and believe that we do not understand the lore that made their [civilization] so great.As a result,our existence is painful to theirs.We have the technology to buff them from us and yet prosper, and should utilize it to make them as comfortable as we can without making any excuses at all".

Trailbreaker would say: "They're miserable.Leave the poor creatures alone with their problems, for pity's sake."

Jazz would say: "Hey, man, I didn't kick 'em outta here-they CHOSE to go, and they CHOSE to lie about the fact that I'm victimizing them: as far as I'm concerned, I'm not gonna fight another {"lawful") faction, but if they want antagonism between us, the best revenge I could dish back is to live a great existence right here where I'm at".

Grimlock would say:"Why the hell are we still talking? Meet them in open combat.Only the strongest [argument] can survive (and It'll be fun, too!)."

Megatron would say:"They are already a [civilization] built on fear and extinction.Terrorizing them into submission would be doing them a favor, granting them purpose and life in their desire for continuation.They can then be our secret hands in an invisible new battlefront of our own design.They can have a little Disneyland city to roleplay their utopianism out somewhere in the Decepticon Empire between uses if they need to."

Shockwave would say: "Enslave them and redeploy them in their own field, as the specialist troops that they already are."

The term "Geewunner" was a ridiculous, untrue, absurd and insulting term. I'm sure there are some fans out there that are die-hard "G1" fans who only collect G1, and at that, probably only the first 3 years of the Transformers, and possibly the 4th and 5th. I look at it as such a small percentage of fans that I don't know how it blew up to be such an overused term.

The term actually came about during the first movie when fans, like myself, were upset at the designs of the robots in the first movie. While the designs have grown on me, I still stand by my original thoughts that they could have had a little bit more iconic of a look to them that more resembled their "G1" selves. I was mistaken by ever using the term "G1" ... I meant that to be used in conjunction with the term "traditional". Bumblebee, Megatron, Starscream, Optimus Prime ... each character has had a unique, defined look over the past 2.5 decades, I was just looking for the characters in the live action films to continue on that tradition. If all of the characters in the live action film had gone the route of Optimus Prime, I think I would have ultimately been happier with the movie aesthetics.

But they didn't. That doesn't mean that I don't love the movies for what they are and can't appreciate the things that we did get. I really like the movie versions of Bumblebee, Starscream, and Megatron ... I just wish both of those characters resembled their traditional selves a little bit more. I'm also a big believer in "why be upset about things that are beyond your control?" My energies are best focused elsewhere than being upset about things I can't change. I feel like I had a pretty significant role in getting the movie Megatron's head changed with Seibertron.com's "Transformers 101" that started a **** storm on the Internet. Once there was nothing more that could be changed with the movie's designs, I quit complaining because there was no further way that the designs could be changed. It is what it is.

Unfortunately, people mistook comments such as mine out-of-context and changed our original meaning or desire. I have loved just about every incarnation of the Transformers. While I think G1 is the best overall series, it doesn't mean that I don't love other aspects of the 26 year history of the Transformers. My favorite cartoon series, without a question, is Beast Wars. My favorite comic series, to this day, is the original Marvel US run. My favorite toy is Soundwave, but I absolutely love the updated versions. My favorite "concept" is the Pretenders for reasons unknown even to me. I own every Hasbro US released Transformer except for the orange G2 Constructicons, the 3rd wave of G2 Dinobots, the Costco red/yellow Energon packaged Armada Optimus Prime, and the Kmart gold Armada Optimus Prime. Other than that ... I own it.

I do not consider myself a "Geewunner".

I've got to jet ... I'd love to contribute more to this conversation later.

Skyfire77 wrote:

OptiMagnus10 wrote:Agreement: The Ruined FOREVER pages were definitely posted by the close-minded GeeWunner "clan" who hates all other continuities, and wants the rest of us to think the same. These contradict what the TF wikis are there for, and I have even recommended the page's removal on the Teletraan I TF wiki, and I also will on TFwiki.net now that I have an account there.

Um, you do know the Ruined FOREVER page is totally taking the piss, yes?

Now that I think about it, yes. Although I think it can be misunderstood by many people (like I did).

Ok it looks like this is finally turning into a slight arguement. However, I still believe these "GeeWunners" do exist, but most tend not to socialize with the rest of us because of the fear of being victimized. I think some of these people are just waiting for G1, or the essence of it, to return in some way, and they may or may not follow the classic lines to try to capture that. Although they may still want the main continuity to be much like G1, because a small line of toys may not be enough. In addition, I think people who prefer G1 but still like all Transformers continuities are not "GeeWunners".
I also believe there are the, what I call, "G1 Extremists", which are so enraged by Beast Era onward that they feel we must know why Transformers are so horrible now. These people will eventually come out and tell us why Transformers have become so horrible, then the die-hards become enraged and it results in a slagging mess.

Seibertron wrote:The term actually came about during the first movie when fans, like myself, were upset at the designs of the robots in the first movie.

The term was in use way before that.

I have encountered people who are the most hardcore G1 purists immaginable [on this site mostly] and trust me, you will know them when you see them. They do exist but have either been banned from sites like this due to their inability to participate in a civilised conversation or are intelligent enough to realise their narrow minded points of view will only get them flamed away swiftly so don't even try to participate. Nowadays you will mostly encounter TF fans who prefer G1 but keep their negative views on other lines in check.

I love...or maybe it's the opposite...that we're constantly looking for ways to define other people as somehow worse than us. I grew up with G1, was still quite interested in the G2 days, but by the time BW rolled around, and with the semi-realistic animal modes, combined with my age and other stuff, I passed for a while. I got a chance to see some BW toys after a while, and was quite impressed. the quality of the cartoon was probably what hooked me on that. I've had varying levels of interest in almost all TF lines and continuities since.

I love the various versions of G1, despite all the stupid crap that's in there. I do really quite like BW now. Some of the RiD toys were brilliant. Unicron trilogy had some great ideas too. and so on and so forth. I can't think of one version of Transformers that I really, really hate. Bayverse comes close, in internet terms at least, but it's more that I dislike the robot modes, and would have preferred a number of other choices made prior to the initial film being created (different lead, different plot, different director, different character designs, etc) not that they're truly crap, they're just not what I wanted and I felt it was a wasted opportunity. Evidently Hasbro, with the money they've made and continue to make, disagree.

I can't say my opinion is more or less valid than anyone else's to any one else, except me. There are a near infinite number of variations on a Transformers fan or collector. I'm sure there are folks who don't watch the cartoons or read the comics, likewise, there'll be some who don't buy the toys. Some will only buy from a specific line, or a specific character, others collect teams. I wouldn't be surprised to read that there's collectors who won't buy a toy unless the character has their faction logo in the correct colour and right in the centre of their chest, or that there's someone who only buys toys that transform into alt-modes which have enough room to fit a particular size of humanoid driver in them.

I tend to enjoy discussing those things which interest me particularly, with only occasional commenting on those which I really don't. Primarily because, whilst you might disagree about one thing with someone, there's the possibility they may not share other views, but you've a basis of shared thoughts to built intelligent discussion from.

alternatively we could all shout "trukk not munkey" or "FIRRIB RIRFIB!" or "Michael Bay did naughty things to my childhood and took pictures of it and posted it on the internet!" but hey, at least then we'd know who "the true fans" are

The Legend wrote:

Seibertron wrote:The term actually came about during the first movie when fans, like myself, were upset at the designs of the robots in the first movie.

The term was in use way before that.

Yea, this came up during the Beast Wars era.

Is it insulting? Yes, but there's some truth behind it all.

Counterpunch wrote:

The Legend wrote:

Seibertron wrote:The term actually came about during the first movie when fans, like myself, were upset at the designs of the robots in the first movie.

The term was in use way before that.

Yea, this came up during the Beast Wars era.

Is it insulting? Yes, but there's some truth behind it all.

That's interesting. I had never heard the term until the last 5 years or so. Would love to see some documentation on this. I can't find anything pre-Armada about it and at that, it seems like the term wasn't in wide use until the movies.

The best thing about the Transformers is that there's really something for everyone. Anyone who thinks that others should think and feel the exact way as they do about certain segments of the Transformers ought to have their head checked.

Seibertron wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

The Legend wrote:

Seibertron wrote:The term actually came about during the first movie when fans, like myself, were upset at the designs of the robots in the first movie.

The term was in use way before that.

Yea, this came up during the Beast Wars era.

Is it insulting? Yes, but there's some truth behind it all.

That's interesting. I had never heard the term until the last 5 years or so. Would love to see some documentation on this. I can't find anything pre-Armada about it and at that, it seems like the term wasn't in wide use until the movies.

You serious?

Seibertron wrote:The best thing about the Transformers is that there's really something for everyone. Anyone who thinks that others should think and feel the exact way as they do about certain segments of the Transformers ought to have their head checked.

Transformers 101?