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I live in Florida and Saturday the local Top 40 Hits station was broadcasting from the beach, but the actually tower was on the other side of town opposite of the ocean. The DJ was mixing/playin live from the back of the truck. The station has about 7 or 8 of those trucks....Thats where I got the idea from. When Soundwave transformers I would hope he would be close to Baricade or Blackout in size. The CD Players and Mixer would be the same size as the GPX Player Frenzy was. And they could actually be INSIDE Soundwave.

P.S. if anyone from Pioneer, Technics, or Sony is reading this GET ON THE HORN!!! ha ha ha ha

AxiomScion wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Coolyfett wrote:im new to this site... but i got an idea. How about a Broadcast Vehicle . Most radio/television stations have them. They allow DJs/Anchors to broadcast from anywhere. The Idea is a truck equipped as a Broadcast Vehicle for a party/club/dance radio djs (think PIMP MY RIDE) It would have 2 CD Turntables and a Mixer AKA Rumble, Ravage & Laserbeak. In battle mode all Soundwave has to do is pop the trunk. And the 2 CD Turntables and Mixer transform. What do you all think?

The problem with that is it would really stick out like a sore thumb. The news crews only use them where ther is breaking news going on. It isn't the type of alternate mode that is very inconspicuous. It would draw too much attention. For a character like Soundwave, that is bad.

I'n not so sure, Cooly seems onto something. He described a news broadcast vehicle, well why not have the autobot Broadcast play the easy to notice vehicle while Soundwave be like the police high surveylance vehicle that blends in with the neighborhood. Barricade already played a police car so...why not swatmod surveylance Soundwave?

That could set up the two comunications officers nicely.

No, they wouldn't. Once again, it comes down to being conspicuous. Real police use delivery trucks and such, the stereotypicla "black SWAT surveylance van" sticks out too much and None of the Transformers wants to draw that kind of attention, especially the Decepticons, and Soundwave in particular. A stereo system is ubiquitous. They're everywhere, and thus fit in everywhere. If you want to do clandestine surveylance, that is the mode to use.

Coolyfett wrote:I live in Florida and Saturday the local Top 40 Hits station was broadcasting from the beach, but the actually tower was on the other side of town opposite of the ocean. The DJ was mixing/playin live from the back of the truck. The station has about 7 or 8 of those trucks....Thats where I got the idea from. When Soundwave transformers I would hope he would be close to Baricade or Blackout in size. The CD Players and Mixer would be the same size as the GPX Player Frenzy was. And they could actually be INSIDE Soundwave.

P.S. if anyone from Pioneer, Technics, or Sony is reading this GET ON THE HORN!!! ha ha ha ha

And, you will notice that those DJ vans draw a lot of attention, and that is something Soundwave would certainly not want. That is the same reasoning why he wouldn't use a police or military communications van. They are all too conspicuous, and a regular vehicle mode just doesn't fit him. A stereo system fits him perfectly.

Tramp wrote:It isn't the type of alternate mode that is very inconspicuous. It would draw too much attention. For a character like Soundwave, that is bad.

There's one thing you have to take in consideration though. Having Soundwave's alt mode beign a stereo will result in him having to be carried around by Blackout (if he returns), barricade or another decepticon. Since he won't move all that much as a stereo, and a giant robot walking around won't be great for his cover.

These Transformers, unlike their G1 counterparts, don't seem to be able to fly without being in a alt mode that would allow that. Soundwave is a spy, so he must remain unoticed and must also be able to move around by himself. Unless they allow them to just fly around (would be quite ridiculous if you ask me) Soundwave needs an alt mode that will allow him to move and go to a position by himself.

He could have a human slave carrying him around as a stereo, wich could, up to a certain limit, ''work'', but it wouldn't be reliable enough. So him being a vehicule is really the best option here. No need for something that is too conspicuous to the eye like a big surveillance truck with tons of radars and all. Something more subtle and elusive like a small van would do fine.

And as for the name, Soundwave is a great name for a spy who will gather informations via soundwaves (discussions and all) that's what Soundwave always did, and he could still do that as something else than a stereo.

Fury wrote:

Tramp wrote:It isn't the type of alternate mode that is very inconspicuous. It would draw too much attention. For a character like Soundwave, that is bad.

There's one thing you have to take in consideration though. Having Soundwave's alt mode beign a stereo will result in him having to be carried around by Blackout (if he returns), barricade or another decepticon. Since he won't move all that much as a stereo, and a giant robot walking around won't be great for his cover.

These Transformers, unlike their G1 counterparts, don't seem to be able to fly without being in a alt mode that would allow that. Soundwave is a spy, so he must remain unoticed and must also be able to move around by himself. Unless they allow them to just fly around (would be quite ridiculous if you ask me) Soundwave needs an alt mode that will allow him to move and go to a position by himself.

He could have a human slave carrying him around as a stereo, wich could, up to a certain limit, ''work'', but it wouldn't be reliable enough. So him being a vehicule is really the best option here. No need for something that is too conspicuous to the eye like a big surveillance truck with tons of radars and all. Something more subtle and elusive like a small van would do fine.

And as for the name, Soundwave is a great name for a spy who will gather informations via soundwaves (discussions and all) that's what Soundwave always did, and he could still do that as something else than a stereo.

Actually, no, he doesn't need a self-mobile alternate mode, and never did move in alt mode even in G1. and yes we can probably expect to see many of the other 'Cons back again, as well as new ones. We didn't see Barricade die did we? The other problem with a vehiclular mode is that it is relagated to remaining outdoors. As a stereo, Soundwave can go anywhwere, indoors or out. and, with his mass conversion capability, he could, technically, remain small even in robot mode if he needed to. Remember, even in G1, he didn't always shrink down when he transformerd into his alternate mode. Why couldn't he also remain small in robot mode when necessary. Also, as evidenced by Starscream in the movie, yes, at least one Decepticon can fly in robot mode. Also, Soundwave could technically use any one of his minions, such as Booster X-10(aka Lasrerbeak), to carry him to his location. Soundwave could then transform into robot mode, but in a small size, sneak into position, and transform into his alternate mode and conduct his surveylance as well as release his minions, who can all attach to him as various add-on components, to spy on other areas. He could then sneak back out, or, if the mission was infiltration and destruction, Transform to full size robot mode and destroy the target and any witnesses.

THIS!!!



*snicker* Just kidding.

In reality he'd be suited as a HEMTT (Heavy Expanded Mobility Tactical Truck). These babies were suited for heavy cargo so Soundwave would be perfect for this. He could store and transport Laserbeak's, Ratbat's, Ravage's, etc.'s new alternate forms.



Variant includes one with a missile launcher.

Both of those would stick out like sore thumbs, which is why Soundwave would never use them. Soundwave is clandestine, not someone who stands out.

Tramp wrote:Actually, no, he doesn't need a self-mobile alternate mode, and never did move in alt mode even in G1.

He won't go far as a stereo... and when he did moved, his was carried by other decepticons. Wich won't work all that good. I'll come back to this a little later in my post.

and yes we can probably expect to see many of the other 'Cons back again, as well as new ones. We didn't see Barricade die did we?

What I meant was, if Blackout is revived in the sequel. Don't worry, I saw the movie, so I know who survived.

The other problem with a vehiclular mode is that it is relagated to remaining outdoors. As a stereo, Soundwave can go anywhwere, indoors or out. and, with his mass conversion capability, he could, technically, remain small even in robot mode if he needed to. Remember, even in G1, he didn't always shrink down when he transformerd into his alternate mode. Why couldn't he also remain small in robot mode when necessary.

Now Soundwave being a tinybot is not a good idea. You know that Bay made the mistake known as Frenzy, what you're describing here is just a different version of Frenzy. I really don't like the idea of a mini Soundwave walking around garbage cans to climb in a house and hide. It will look ridiculous. That's just not Soundwave for me. He could send Lazerbeak at the very worst. But not a mini Soundwave please.

The mass conversion capability is a good idea for a cartoon, but not for a movie. Even if this feature is a part of Soundwave, I don't think he would suffer from not having it in a movie like this. Bay already did the stereo and minibot with Frenzy, like I said, it was a mistake, but he did it. The stereo and mass conversion features were a big part of Soundwave, but this movie showed us that the Transformers we knew, are not exactly the ones we'll see in the movies. I don't like it, but it's how it is.

And as a vehicule, he could park somewhere, and with his equipement, spy on what was going on inside. Such equipement is used today. The range is limited, but Soundwave is using much more sophisticated versions of those equipements. Also, we saw that Bumblebee was able to change his alt mode, Soundwave could do the same, without being a too drastic change, to avoid being spotted too easily. I would prefer that option over a tinybot.

Also, as evidenced by Starscream in the movie, yes, at least one Decepticon can fly in robot mode. Also, Soundwave could technically use any one of his minions, such as Booster X-10(aka Lasrerbeak), to carry him to his location. Soundwave could then transform into robot mode, but in a small size, sneak into position, and transform into his alternate mode and conduct his surveylance as well as release his minions, who can all attach to him as various add-on components, to spy on other areas. He could then sneak back out, or, if the mission was infiltration and destruction, Transform to full size robot mode and destroy the target and any witnesses

Starscream did fly in robot mode, thanks to his thrusters. What I meant was them flying just like in the cartoon. And again, I don't want to see a tiny version of Soundwave. I really don't like that idea. As far as SW being carried by other decepticons, wouldn't work at all. As if SW is not tiny, the others are gonna have a hard time carrying him around. Blackout is the only one who might be able to do it, but yet again, we don't know if he's back, and he's too big for a subtle infiltration. So, Soundwave must have a alt mode in wich he will be able to move by himself. As I really think that its how its gonna work best for him, and us.

Fury wrote:

Tramp wrote:Actually, no, he doesn't need a self-mobile alternate mode, and never did move in alt mode even in G1.

He won't go far as a stereo... and when he did moved, his was carried by other decepticons. Wich won't work all that good. I'll come back to this a little later in my post.

and yes we can probably expect to see many of the other 'Cons back again, as well as new ones. We didn't see Barricade die did we?

What I meant was, if Blackout is revived in the sequel. Don't worry, I saw the movie, so I know who survived.

The other problem with a vehiclular mode is that it is relagated to remaining outdoors. As a stereo, Soundwave can go anywhwere, indoors or out. and, with his mass conversion capability, he could, technically, remain small even in robot mode if he needed to. Remember, even in G1, he didn't always shrink down when he transformerd into his alternate mode. Why couldn't he also remain small in robot mode when necessary.

Now Soundwave being a tinybot is not a good idea. You know that Bay made the mistake known as Frenzy, what you're describing here is just a different version of Frenzy. I really don't like the idea of a mini Soundwave walking around garbage cans to climb in a house and hide. It will look ridiculous. That's just not Soundwave for me. He could send Lazerbeak at the very worst. But not a mini Soundwave please.

The mass conversion capability is a good idea for a cartoon, but not for a movie. Even if this feature is a part of Soundwave, I don't think he would suffer from not having it in a movie like this. Bay already did the stereo and minibot with Frenzy, like I said, it was a mistake, but he did it. The stereo and mass conversion features were a big part of Soundwave, but this movie showed us that the Transformers we knew, are not exactly the ones we'll see in the movies. I don't like it, but it's how it is.

And as a vehicule, he could park somewhere, and with his equipement, spy on what was going on inside. Such equipement is used today. The range is limited, but Soundwave is using much more sophisticated versions of those equipements. Also, we saw that Bumblebee was able to change his alt mode, Soundwave could do the same, without being a too drastic change, to avoid being spotted too easily. I would prefer that option over a tinybot.

Also, as evidenced by Starscream in the movie, yes, at least one Decepticon can fly in robot mode. Also, Soundwave could technically use any one of his minions, such as Booster X-10(aka Lasrerbeak), to carry him to his location. Soundwave could then transform into robot mode, but in a small size, sneak into position, and transform into his alternate mode and conduct his surveylance as well as release his minions, who can all attach to him as various add-on components, to spy on other areas. He could then sneak back out, or, if the mission was infiltration and destruction, Transform to full size robot mode and destroy the target and any witnesses

Starscream did fly in robot mode, thanks to his thrusters. What I meant was them flying just like in the cartoon. And again, I don't want to see a tiny version of Soundwave. I really don't like that idea. As far as SW being carried by other decepticons, wouldn't work at all. As if SW is not tiny, the others are gonna have a hard time carrying him around. Blackout is the only one who might be able to do it, but yet again, we don't know if he's back, and he's too big for a subtle infiltration. So, Soundwave must have a alt mode in wich he will be able to move by himself.

First off, I wouldn't want him to be a tiny bot either; at least not a permanently tiny bot. Howver, with mass conversion, he could grow and shrink as needed for the mission. Thus, if he needed to be small, he could be, then grow to full size. That is what mass conversion s for. It allows him to grow or shrink to the size he needs to be for disguise or mission objectives. You can't tell me that when you first saw Soundwave transform from that little tape deck to a full sized robot, you didn't go "holy---, that was cool! How'd he do that?" Even if we limit his mass conversion to his alt mode, as a portable system, he can be carried into place either by one of his subordinates or an unsuspecting human.

As for mass conversion not working in live action? Characters changing size has been a staple of live-action science fiction and fantasy movies for decades, so yes, it is workable. The trick is to give a plausible explaination for it and not to over-use it by giving to to too many characters. Limit it to just Soundwave as a special ability that he has as it is described in TF: More than Meets the Eye#8. It is an integral part of the character. That and his stereo system alternate mode are iconic parts of who he is. If you don't use them, don't use the character at all. Without them he isn't Soundwave.

Skullgrin140 wrote:

Nuff said

All I know is that if this is how Soundwave looks in TF2, I will be very happy.

Not me. It doesn't fit his name nor function, and is too conspicuous.

Picture this: Transformers 2, Soundwave has been spotted and must be intercepted before he does some bad decepticon stuff. A sweet street racer, Japanese of course, maybe a Mitsubishi, ground effects, chrome rims, spoiler, the whole nine yards, dark blue and silver with a Decepticon symbol tinted into the windshield, is zooming and weaving through the city streets toward its destination. Suddenly another Japanese import racer, red and yellow, pulls a sweet drift around the next corner to intercept Soundwave. Its Blaster. Both come to a screeching halt at the sight of one another, as they each anticipate the other's next move. Engines rev, lights begin to flicker, when suddenly Soundwave deploys a massive state-of-the-art speaker array from his trunk and begins pumping out (insert music of choice)toward Blaster. The Autobot then counters by deploying his own speaker array and begins 'blasting' Soundwave in return with his own custom tunes. The ground begins to tremble as each car slowly begins to slide back, inch by inch, as they take turns slamming each other with beats. As the volume increases, nearby windows shatter, items fall from store shelves, dogs run for cover, and racing clubs stop in the street to watch the duel, drawn by the sounds of rythym. Both systems sound great, but Blaster has the upper hand, and as Soundwave tries to hold his ground, he loses out and is swept back and rolled over into some parked cars. Blaster lowers his volume to a normal level and watches his adversary roll to a halt. Just then, Soundwave's speakers each transform and leap to the ground around him. A jaguar, a condor, and two robots begin to rush Blaster, when his own speakers in turn transform into a rhino, a lion, and 2 more robots and run to intercept the others. As the tiny robots clash in the street, Soundwave transforms, as does Blaster, and the conflict continues on foot. So, what do you think?

Man, someone still hasn't gotten the "Movie isn't G1"
memo. Here are some fun facts for you-on Cybertron Soundwave wasn't a stereo, and IN Cybertron Soundwave wasn't a stereo. So is only G1 Earth Soundwave really Soundwave then?

I mean, you're utterly REQUIRING Soundwave to have a ridiculous alt mode at the expense of usefulness and importance. Guess what, if Soundwave needs other Decepticons to carry him everywhere, how much of a loser does he look like? And just how crappy does that make him in a combat scenario, where his only option is a poorly armed giant robot who can't keep up with an autobot (since they can y'know, transform and drive circles around him, or just run away and laugh)?


Seriously, in the setting of the movies, mass shifting or not, as a non-moving object, Soundwave would suck massive balls.

Imagine if you will, the end-battle from the movie. If he's riding with Barricade, he disappears ( ), if he's with Bonecrusher he fights Prime and then can't get to the rest of the battle, if he's with Blackout he doesn't appear until its nearly over, and he's with Brawl he arguably ends up decently in it. But since he'd be coming out of another Decepticon like Frenzy, he'd just appear to be a subservient like Scorpinock even at full size. With so few transformers all operating pretty independently, self-dependence is really important.


Anyways, one of the things that I reckon would work is a Scion Xb (do the grille up like his chest, use that big rear storage area for bigass sound equipment, highlight the headlights to look like his halfassed speakers). The main problem is that he'd be in Jazz's size class. I'm still trying to work out some sort of SUV transformation using the tailgate for the chest as such...

soundwave should be a military communications vehicle. his satellite would be his shoulder cannon(transform it to be like a REAL cannon) and his cargo would be videotapes that was Laserbeak, Ravage, and Rumble.

carbsmith wrote:Man, someone still hasn't gotten the "Movie isn't G1"
memo. Here are some fun facts for you-on Cybertron Soundwave wasn't a stereo, and IN Cybertron Soundwave wasn't a stereo. So is only G1 Earth Soundwave really Soundwave then?

I mean, you're utterly REQUIRING Soundwave to have a ridiculous alt mode at the expense of usefulness and importance. Guess what, if Soundwave needs other Decepticons to carry him everywhere, how much of a loser does he look like? And just how crappy does that make him in a combat scenario, where his only option is a poorly armed giant robot who can't keep up with an autobot (since they can y'know, transform and drive circles around him, or just run away and laugh)?


Seriously, in the setting of the movies, mass shifting or not, as a non-moving object, Soundwave would suck massive balls.

Imagine if you will, the end-battle from the movie. If he's riding with Barricade, he disappears ( ), if he's with Bonecrusher he fights Prime and then can't get to the rest of the battle, if he's with Blackout he doesn't appear until its nearly over, and he's with Brawl he arguably ends up decently in it. But since he'd be coming out of another Decepticon like Frenzy, he'd just appear to be a subservient like Scorpinock even at full size. With so few transformers all operating pretty independently, self-dependence is really important.


Anyways, one of the things that I reckon would work is a Scion Xb (do the grille up like his chest, use that big rear storage area for bigass sound equipment, highlight the headlights to look like his halfassed speakers). The main problem is that he'd be in Jazz's size class. I'm still trying to work out some sort of SUV transformation using the tailgate for the chest as such...

Cybertron Soundwave wasn't really Soundwave either. He acted nothing like the original, and was only "Soundwave" in name. Not a good example. Soundwave depends upon strealth and blending in to do his job. He doesn't depend upon mobility and never did.

R-Burst wrote:soundwave should be a military communications vehicle. his satellite would be his shoulder cannon(transform it to be like a REAL cannon) and his cargo would be videotapes that was Laserbeak, Ravage, and Rumble.

Do you realize just ow much that would attract attention? A military vehicle is fine on a military base, or in a combat zone with other military vehicles, but not downtown or anywhere else. It would stick out like a sore thumb and draw unwanted attention. Soundwave's function requires him to be able to go anywhere and blend in completely, whether it be indoors or outdoors. Whther it be in an office, a military base, a factory, or anywhere else he needs to gather information. You can't do that with any of the vehicles you have mentioned. You can't do that with any vehicle period. What made Frenzy so successful at his mission in the movie was his innocuous alternate mode. It was the same thing that made G1 Soundwave so successful. He blended in perfectly, anywhere and could go anywhere. Vehicles are limited to where they can go, and where they can blend in. Military vehicles, or specialized vehicles even more so.

carbsmith wrote:Man, someone still hasn't gotten the "Movie isn't G1"
memo. Here are some fun facts for you-on Cybertron Soundwave wasn't a stereo, and IN Cybertron Soundwave wasn't a stereo. So is only G1 Earth Soundwave really Soundwave then?

I mean, you're utterly REQUIRING Soundwave to have a ridiculous alt mode at the expense of usefulness and importance. Guess what, if Soundwave needs other Decepticons to carry him everywhere, how much of a loser does he look like? And just how crappy does that make him in a combat scenario, where his only option is a poorly armed giant robot who can't keep up with an autobot (since they can y'know, transform and drive circles around him, or just run away and laugh)?


Seriously, in the setting of the movies, mass shifting or not, as a non-moving object, Soundwave would suck massive balls.

Imagine if you will, the end-battle from the movie. If he's riding with Barricade, he disappears ( ), if he's with Bonecrusher he fights Prime and then can't get to the rest of the battle, if he's with Blackout he doesn't appear until its nearly over, and he's with Brawl he arguably ends up decently in it. But since he'd be coming out of another Decepticon like Frenzy, he'd just appear to be a subservient like Scorpinock even at full size. With so few transformers all operating pretty independently, self-dependence is really important.


Anyways, one of the things that I reckon would work is a Scion Xb (do the grille up like his chest, use that big rear storage area for bigass sound equipment, highlight the headlights to look like his halfassed speakers). The main problem is that he'd be in Jazz's size class. I'm still trying to work out some sort of SUV transformation using the tailgate for the chest as such...

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. SOME PEOPLE have their mind set on what THEY WANT Soundwave to be. BOTTOMLINE.... Does anyone agree that Soundwave should be close to the other CONs in size?

R-Burst wrote:soundwave should be a military communications vehicle. his satellite would be his shoulder cannon(transform it to be like a REAL cannon) and his cargo would be videotapes that was Laserbeak, Ravage, and Rumble.

Cool idea! I don't know about videotapes though ha ha ha. Should Rumble look like Frenzy?

Coolyfett wrote:
I agree with a lot of what you are saying. SOME PEOPLE have their mind set on what THEY WANT Soundwave to be. BOTTOMLINE.... Does anyone agree that Soundwave should be close to the other CONs in size?

No one is arguing against the fact that his robot mode should be normally full sized compared to the other Decepticons. I think that is the one thing we all agree on.

Either a B-2 Stealth Bomber (it... uh... hardly makes a soundwave...) or this:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/type-82-pics.htm

You'll have to wait a while for that page to load.

I don't think that Soundwave needs to be totally inconspicous in order to be cool. I think Soundwave would be awesome as some kind of communications vehicle. He could always blend in and spy at some kind of military base.

I personally think that a shrinking and growing boom-box would look kind of ridiculous in a live action movie. I just don't see why the character needs to be kept exactly as he was in the G1 cartoon for the next movie. If they need to change his role a bit, then fine. If his alternate mode is some kind of vehicle, I think that would be neat. I really don't have a problem with them changing the character a bit so he can adapt to the big screen.

carbsmith wrote:Guess what, if Soundwave needs other Decepticons to carry him everywhere, how much of a loser does he look like? And just how crappy does that make him in a combat scenario, where his only option is a poorly armed giant robot who can't keep up with an autobot (since they can y'know, transform and drive circles around him, or just run away and laugh)?

Well it would show equal importance of disability.
In G1 there was Chip, in the movie there is Soundwave. XD

Cthulhunicron wrote:I don't think that Soundwave needs to be totally inconspicous in order to be cool. I think Soundwave would be awesome as some kind of communications vehicle. He could always blend in and spy at some kind of military base.

I personally think that a shrinking and growing boom-box would look kind of ridiculous in a live action movie. I just don't see why the character needs to be kept exactly as he was in the G1 cartoon for the next movie. If they need to change his role a bit, then fine. If his alternate mode is some kind of vehicle, I think that would be neat. I really don't have a problem with them changing the character a bit so he can adapt to the big screen.

It isn't a matter of being "cool". It's a matter of his function. Part of what Soundwave does, aside from communications, is espoionage. He's a spy, and infiltrator. His job requires that he be able to get in anywhere be it indoors or outdoors, in the city, country, military bases, etc. and do his job without drawing attention to himself. A military vehicle might be fine ona military base, but not in a city. A news van or radio station van inherently draws attention. None of these vehicles can get indoors either. It is pure;ly a matter of functionality. Sure, a vehicle is fone for mobility, but it is useless for infiltration, clandestine surveylance, and information gathering. A really decked out portable stereo system is perfect because of its size, inconspicousness, and its ubiquity. It also has the benefit of being able to record, playback and display data (via a DVD monitor).

Dude, Soundwave does NOT need to get indoors. Thats whats Rumble, Ravage and Laserbeak are for. All of the Transformers have changed. I mean Ironhide could have been red, and should have been red, but they made him black. Soundwave does NOT need to hide my boy.

conspicuous, conspicuous, conspicuous, conspicuous. Thats all you are saying. Posters are just putting up IDEAS man. Tramp feels the need to tell everyone they are wrong, because the ideas does not fit HIS IDEA. Some folks want him as a vehicle some as an audio device. Cool.... everyone can speak their idea Tramp. No one is right No one is wrong. This is 2007 not 1986. Things change Tramp. In time you will see Soundwave is going to change just like Bumblebee, Ironhide, Ratchet, Jazz, etc etc.

Coolyfett wrote:Dude, Soundwave does NOT need to get indoors. Thats whats Rumble, Ravage and Laserbeak are for. All of the Transformers have changed. I mean Ironhide could have been red, and should have been red, but they made him black. Soundwave does NOT need to hide my boy.

conspicuous, conspicuous, conspicuous, conspicuous. Thats all you are saying. Posters are just putting up IDEAS man. Tramp feels the need to tell everyone they are wrong, because the ideas does not fit HIS IDEA. Some folks want him as a vehicle some as an audio device. Cool.... everyone can speak their idea Tramp. No one is right No one is wrong. This is 2007 not 1986. Things change Tramp. In time you will see Soundwave is going to change just like Bumblebee, Ironhide, Ratchet, Jazz, etc etc.

First off, Bumblebee, Jazz, Ironhide, etc, kept the essence of who and what they were; including their alternate modes. They didn't change all that dramatically. Bumblebee, and Jazz are still cars, Ironhide is still a truck (just not a van), Prime is still a semi cab. Starscream is still a fighter jet. They're just modernized. They're still their iconic selves, especially Prime. Part of what makes Soundwave, "Soundwave" is his type of alternate mode. It is part of who he is. If you take that away, you take away Soundwave. There is a difference between modernizing and making more "realistic" in appearance, and making him a completely different character all together. A radically different type of alternate mode makes him a completely different character, not Soundwave.

I just think that some characters are harder to adapt than others, and you need to take different things into consideration. It wouldn't make sense to make Ironhide or Bumblebee into anything other than cars, but to me, it does make sense to make Soundwave into something other than a boombox.

I had no problem with Megatron turning into a Cybertronian jet instead of a pistol, so I will have no problem at all with Soundwave being a van or something. It also won't bother me if Soundwave can't be totally inconspicous. I'm not expecting a live action version of G1. If I want to see Soundwave being able to sneak into homes and bases as a small tape recorder, I'll just watch the cartoon. If I'm watching a live action movie, I don't care if certain things are changed, just as long as the movie is enjoyable.

I'm not saying anybody's right or wrong here, this is just how I feel about it.