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Burn wrote:

Starscream GaGa wrote:I'm just saying that if you liked ROTF you couldn't be all that hard to impress.

awww that's so sweet, you're one of those people who like to imply that those who liked ROTF have diminished intelligence.

God, don't get so defensive. If you like a bad movie chances are you'll like another movie even if it turns out to be bad. What do you want me to say? "ROTF was a total cinema masterpiece, I can totally understand you, who are a fan of it, worrying about the next movie not living up to its ridiculously high standards!"

I'm feeling rather optimistic about Dark of the moon. I wouldn't worry about it. Nothing coming in has lead me to believe I wont enjoy it as much if not more than the previous films.

As far as the Twins they have new toys that look exactly like the cars shown in the film so far.( Cars with black and green/brown stripes on them.) Toys are the ultimate give away of who's ging show up in the film or not. You want your spoilers want the toy aisle hehe.

I'd be highly surprised the Twins DONT appear given that. I was kind of hoping they'd atleast get the honor of being roadkill for the Decepticons if we have to have autobots drop dead in this film heh. Would b very fitting as only thing people who hate them would love more than to not see them be in the film...is for them to be in the film and get horribly wasted. I mean otherwise Devastator might as well have eaten Mudflap.

Starscream GaGa wrote:

Burn wrote:

Starscream GaGa wrote:I'm just saying that if you liked ROTF you couldn't be all that hard to impress.

awww that's so sweet, you're one of those people who like to imply that those who liked ROTF have diminished intelligence.

God, don't get so defensive. If you like a bad movie chances are you'll like another movie even if it turns out to be bad. What do you want me to say? "ROTF was a total cinema masterpiece, I can totally understand you, who are a fan of it, worrying about the next movie not living up to its ridiculously high standards!"

Defensive? HA! Now that's funny.

Say what you like about the movie, it's your opinion, I couldn't give a toss. Just like it's okay for you to not give a toss about my opinion.

But when you say, or even imply, that there's something wrong with someone for liking the movie, well that's just plain silly.

And the only reason it's even being brought up is because there's been many people over the years in many posts basically come out and say "You like ROTF? Then you're a retard".

It's old, stupid, and insulting. Oh and also not needed on this site.
Disclaimer: You implied it. Didn't outright say it. I can see the difference.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have a shiny metal object to go play with.

Is every moviethread turning in to a poopslingfest?

RhA wrote:Is every moviethread turning in to a poopslingfest?

Oddly enough, it's kind of tradition. Been that way since before the first movie opened.

Haters would throw their poop.
Likers would throw poop back.

Neither side could simply accept the others existence.

And so on and so on.

What amazes me is that there are some who have been opposed to the live action movies since the first came out that are actually still here, in the movie forums, still going on about how much they don't like them. What's even more amazing is that you'll only find their posts in the movie sub-forum. Never do you seem them in the toys or comics/cartoons sub-forums, just here.

Burn wrote:

Starscream GaGa wrote:

Burn wrote:

Starscream GaGa wrote:I'm just saying that if you liked ROTF you couldn't be all that hard to impress.

awww that's so sweet, you're one of those people who like to imply that those who liked ROTF have diminished intelligence.

God, don't get so defensive. If you like a bad movie chances are you'll like another movie even if it turns out to be bad. What do you want me to say? "ROTF was a total cinema masterpiece, I can totally understand you, who are a fan of it, worrying about the next movie not living up to its ridiculously high standards!"

Defensive? HA! Now that's funny.

Say what you like about the movie, it's your opinion, I couldn't give a toss. Just like it's okay for you to not give a toss about my opinion.

But when you say, or even imply, that there's something wrong with someone for liking the movie, well that's just plain silly.

And the only reason it's even being brought up is because there's been many people over the years in many posts basically come out and say "You like ROTF? Then you're a retard".

It's old, stupid, and insulting. Oh and also not needed on this site.
Disclaimer: You implied it. Didn't outright say it. I can see the difference.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have a shiny metal object to go play with.

Well said, Burn. That is all.

Burn wrote:But when you say, or even imply, that there's something wrong with someone for liking the movie, well that's just plain silly.

And the only reason it's even being brought up is because there's been many people over the years in many posts basically come out and say "You like ROTF? Then you're a retard".

It's old, stupid, and insulting. Oh and also not needed on this site.
Disclaimer: You implied it. Didn't outright say it. I can see the difference.

I didn't even imply it. Are you honestly denying that ROTF had lower standards than even the first movie? To me it seems ridiculous to be worrying that a movie which, we can already tell by adaptations, has a more solid plot than ROTF will be worse (to the point on having nightmares about it, lol).

I'm not a movieverse hater, I follow it just as strongly as most other Transformers genres, but the truth is ROTF is the weakest link. Or more precisely, that is the overwhelming opinion on not just fans, but critics too.

Starscream GaGa wrote:

Burn wrote:But when you say, or even imply, that there's something wrong with someone for liking the movie, well that's just plain silly.

And the only reason it's even being brought up is because there's been many people over the years in many posts basically come out and say "You like ROTF? Then you're a retard".

It's old, stupid, and insulting. Oh and also not needed on this site.
Disclaimer: You implied it. Didn't outright say it. I can see the difference.

I didn't even imply it. Are you honestly denying that ROTF had lower standards than even the first movie? To me it seems ridiculous to be worrying that a movie which, we can already tell by adaptations, has a more solid plot than ROTF will be worse (to the point on having nightmares about it, lol).

I'm not a movieverse hater, I follow it just as strongly as most other Transformers genres, but the truth is ROTF is the weakest link. Or more precisely, that is the overwhelming opinion on not just fans, but critics too.

I had a huge rant before, but lemme give you the short version.

I'm not a movieverse hater, I follow it just as strongly as most other Transformers genres, but the truth is ROTF is the weakest link.

This is an opinion, not a fact.

Or more precisely, that is the overwhelming opinion on not just fans, but critics too.

That's a fact, but far more people disagreed with them, and you. Thus, it is irrelivent.

Capt.Failure wrote:

Starscream GaGa wrote:

Burn wrote:But when you say, or even imply, that there's something wrong with someone for liking the movie, well that's just plain silly.

And the only reason it's even being brought up is because there's been many people over the years in many posts basically come out and say "You like ROTF? Then you're a retard".

It's old, stupid, and insulting. Oh and also not needed on this site.
Disclaimer: You implied it. Didn't outright say it. I can see the difference.

I didn't even imply it. Are you honestly denying that ROTF had lower standards than even the first movie? To me it seems ridiculous to be worrying that a movie which, we can already tell by adaptations, has a more solid plot than ROTF will be worse (to the point on having nightmares about it, lol).

I'm not a movieverse hater, I follow it just as strongly as most other Transformers genres, but the truth is ROTF is the weakest link. Or more precisely, that is the overwhelming opinion on not just fans, but critics too.

I had a huge rant before, but lemme give you the short version.

I'm not a movieverse hater, I follow it just as strongly as most other Transformers genres, but the truth is ROTF is the weakest link.

This is an opinion, not a fact.

Or more precisely, that is the overwhelming opinion on not just fans, but critics too.

That's a fact, but far more people disagreed with them, and you. Thus, it is irrelivent.

More accurately spoken; ROTF is the most debated link.

RhA wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

Starscream GaGa wrote:

Burn wrote:But when you say, or even imply, that there's something wrong with someone for liking the movie, well that's just plain silly.

And the only reason it's even being brought up is because there's been many people over the years in many posts basically come out and say "You like ROTF? Then you're a retard".

It's old, stupid, and insulting. Oh and also not needed on this site.
Disclaimer: You implied it. Didn't outright say it. I can see the difference.

I didn't even imply it. Are you honestly denying that ROTF had lower standards than even the first movie? To me it seems ridiculous to be worrying that a movie which, we can already tell by adaptations, has a more solid plot than ROTF will be worse (to the point on having nightmares about it, lol).

I'm not a movieverse hater, I follow it just as strongly as most other Transformers genres, but the truth is ROTF is the weakest link. Or more precisely, that is the overwhelming opinion on not just fans, but critics too.

I had a huge rant before, but lemme give you the short version.

I'm not a movieverse hater, I follow it just as strongly as most other Transformers genres, but the truth is ROTF is the weakest link.

This is an opinion, not a fact.

Or more precisely, that is the overwhelming opinion on not just fans, but critics too.

That's a fact, but far more people disagreed with them, and you. Thus, it is irrelivent.

More accurately spoken; ROTF is the most debated link.

Debated because those who didn't like it are outweighed by those who did, and they can't accept that fact.

Capt.Failure wrote:Debated because those who didn't like it are outweighed by those who did, and they can't accept that fact.

Some perspective on that statement is necessary here because it borders on being an outright lie. There are innumerable cases of intolerance on both sides, and you need only look at the difference between these most recent threads:

When did you know the new movies were not for you
and
Too much negativity. Time for something positive!

To see that those who wish to express their displeasure in the movies suffer the ire of intolerance on a far greater scale than those who do not. Notice how the first thread gets completely driven off the rails by squabbling over opinions and drowned in circle jerks, whereas the second thread has run its course relatively unscathed.

It's unfair to portray those of us who dislike the movie in this kind of light while ignoring the actions of those who do. =/

Tekka wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:Debated because those who didn't like it are outweighed by those who did, and they can't accept that fact.

Some perspective on that statement is necessary here because it borders on being an outright lie. There are innumerable cases of intolerance on both sides, and you need only look at the difference between these most recent threads:

When did you know the new movies were not for you
and
Too much negativity. Time for something positive!

To see that those who wish to express their displeasure in the movies suffer the ire of intolerance on a far greater scale than those who do not. Notice how the first thread gets completely driven off the rails by squabbling over opinions and drowned in circle jerks, whereas the second thread has run its course relatively unscathed.

It's unfair to portray those of us who dislike the movie in this kind of light while ignoring the actions of those who do. =/

This I like. Didn't Nietsche say something about fighting monsters once?

Capt.Failure wrote:Debated because those who didn't like it are outweighed by those who did, and they can't accept that fact.

I'm sorry. What?

What fairy-tale land do you live in where ROTF was a well-received movie? It has an impressive 20% Rotten score on Rotten Tomatoes atm. Even amongst fans it's more difficult to find fans who like ROTF than those who don't.

Starscream GaGa wrote:Are you honestly denying that ROTF had lower standards than even the first movie?

I'm not saying anything of the sort.

I'm simply raising the issue of how some people have criticised, belittled, and out right insulted the intelligence of those who liked the movie.

I couldn't give a flying hoot what other people, be it fans, casual movie goers, or so called "critics" thought about the movie. I have my opinion on it, and to me, that's all that matters.

To me it seems ridiculous to be worrying that a movie which, we can already tell by adaptations, has a more solid plot than ROTF will be worse (to the point on having nightmares about it, lol).

Never said otherwise.

I'm not a movieverse hater, I follow it just as strongly as most other Transformers genres, but the truth is ROTF is the weakest link. Or more precisely, that is the overwhelming opinion on not just fans, but critics too.

It's not the truth. It's an opinion. Yours. If I felt like giving mine i'd agree or disagree, but I can't be arsed to do otherwise.

Even amongst fans it's more difficult to find fans who like ROTF than those who don't.

In all fairness, those who like something tend to always seem to be in a minority because they don't need to express their opinions about something as opposed to those who dislike something.

I loved both movies. However, when I watch the first one, I watch the whole thing. When I watch ROTF, I skip a bunch of scenes that I find boring. I thought ROTF was too long. Since DOTM has a shorter run-time, I am hoping that helps the pace of the movie.

Starscream GaGa wrote:I didn't even imply it. Are you honestly denying that ROTF had lower standards than even the first movie?

I don't know if he is, but that's exactly what I'm implying.

To me it seems ridiculous to be worrying that a movie which, we can already tell by adaptations, has a more solid plot than ROTF will be worse (to the point on having nightmares about it, lol).

Just how is the plot more solid? Decepticons come to earth and blow sh!t up. It was the same with ROTF, only ROTF used actual alien theories to back up the existence of the Transformers on earth.

Besides, why should I care about the plot? I'm not worried about the plot at all. Like I've said before: if you want story, you can take yo' ass to the book store.

I'm not a movieverse hater, I follow it just as strongly as most other Transformers genres, but the truth is ROTF is the weakest link. Or more precisely, that is the overwhelming opinion on not just fans, but critics too.

That's a bunch of BS. Its opinion that ROTF is a weak link. Damn critics who represent the rest of society plant these images of what a "good" movie is supposed to be. And everyone blindly follows. Like sheep. They don't think for themselves, and all they see is what society says is right in front of them. These critics, they don't know a damn thing. All they do is read the definition of a "good" movie and judge movies on that definition.

Tekka wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:Debated because those who didn't like it are outweighed by those who did, and they can't accept that fact.

Some perspective on that statement is necessary here because it borders on being an outright lie. There are innumerable cases of intolerance on both sides

Except intolerance toward those who enjoyed the film is "acceptable" on these forums. When it's directed at those who disliked it by fans of the films who for once don't feel like taking it lieing down it's suddenly seems like anything from an offensive to monsterous act.

Also, to quote Burn...

Burn wrote:In all fairness, those who like something tend to always seem to be in a minority because they don't need to express their opinions about something as opposed to those who dislike something.

I'll tell you the truth, I mostly lurked these forums until I saw a rash of posts either ripping on RotF or it's fans, or both. It lead me to think that these forums rivaled places like 4chan in terms of "What you like sucks and you suck for liking it!" posts. Thankfully I was wrong in that regard. This hasn't changed the fact that there's a bit of a blind eye turned toward the film's fans, at least by the standard forum goers (the mods thankfully do their job).

Back to my point: I never saw a reason to post on Transformer's forums until I finally broke down and tried to get people to willingly listen to our side's opinions rather than write them off as not knowing any better. And the truth is that there's more fans of this series like I was, out there but with no reason to loudly proclaim that they liked the film, and they vastly outnumber those who dislike it (simple research has proven this). I've told people I know about how forum goers react to RotF and their responses range from disbelief to shock. They don't get how someone could hate what is basically "just a movie" that much, or see what was so bleedingly bad about it. And it is "just a movie."

Unfortunately for me I'm a debater, and a passionate one, so my fight to prove I'm right in liking the Bayverse will sadly never end.

Capt.Failure wrote:
Back to my point: I never saw a reason to post on Transformer's forums until I finally broke down and tried to get people to willingly listen to our side's opinions rather than write them off as not knowing any better. And the truth is that there's more fans of this series like I was, out there but with no reason to loudly proclaim that they liked the film, and they vastly outnumber those who dislike it (simple research has proven this). I've told people I know about how forum goers react to RotF and their responses range from disbelief to shock. They don't get how someone could hate what is basically "just a movie" that much, or see what was so bleedingly bad about it. And it is "just a movie."

Exactly. There was a review of ROTF, where they asked various movie goers, and each one of them rated the movie at least a 9 out of 10. The total (out of all the people who gave the scores) was a 9.5. And this is before the other critics reviewed ROTF. The ones who said it was a "bad" movie. Then suddenly everyone decides to hate the movie.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:
Back to my point: I never saw a reason to post on Transformer's forums until I finally broke down and tried to get people to willingly listen to our side's opinions rather than write them off as not knowing any better. And the truth is that there's more fans of this series like I was, out there but with no reason to loudly proclaim that they liked the film, and they vastly outnumber those who dislike it (simple research has proven this). I've told people I know about how forum goers react to RotF and their responses range from disbelief to shock. They don't get how someone could hate what is basically "just a movie" that much, or see what was so bleedingly bad about it. And it is "just a movie."

Exactly. There was a review of ROTF, where they asked various movie goers, and each one of them rated the movie at least a 9 out of 10. The total (out of all the people who gave the scores) was a 9.5. And this is before the other critics reviewed ROTF. The ones who said it was a "bad" movie. Then suddenly everyone decides to hate the movie.

Don't forget the Rotten Tomatoes Viewer Opinion score. It pretty much stomps all over the critical opinion. It's a simple matter of fact that critical opinion neither defines a movie's quality or decides it's success. Only the viewers can do that, and the viewers have spoken.

Capt.Failure wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:Not really, just gotta keep it in perspective reletive to the other two films. The first film was long, but moved very slowly to the point I thought it got boring before the second half when the Autobots show up in force. RotF was better about this, getting the boring part out of the way at the 1/4 point then keeping a steady pace up to the finale.

With DotM being shorter it means that they'll have to get to the action quicker, and keep ramping it up until the very end. I doubt it's length will harm the film any. Hell, it'll probably benefit from it in the long run.

Also, I'm currently wagering with a friend that the Twins will be in there. Bay's just trying to shut the Paramount executives up until June 29th.

In a way though, I'm still kind of scared. This is supposed to be the last one directed by Bay. I'm gonna miss this series. Then what if the next director just totally ruins Transformers? Not that "ruined forever" crap, but what if they get EVERYTHING wrong?

Well, I don't want to sound like a jerk but that's exactly what the "RuinedFOREVER" crap is. If the next movie is a reboot (which is likely knowing Transformers as a series) then you just gotta adapt and look forward to new stories and characters, along with a new style.

And that, class, would be called irony.
Now, I'm just having a laugh with this, so please don't everyone buttrage at me, but that would be so funny....if the fans who point and laugh at RuinedFOREVERs adopt the RuinedFOREVER mantle if/when the franchise is rebooted because it won't be Bayformer enough, and will have traveled back in time to ruin their childhoods.

For the sake of the Internet, never let that happen Bay fans. The Internet will explode into a torent of Geewunners having told you so back in 2007.

Capt.Failure wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:
Back to my point: I never saw a reason to post on Transformer's forums until I finally broke down and tried to get people to willingly listen to our side's opinions rather than write them off as not knowing any better. And the truth is that there's more fans of this series like I was, out there but with no reason to loudly proclaim that they liked the film, and they vastly outnumber those who dislike it (simple research has proven this). I've told people I know about how forum goers react to RotF and their responses range from disbelief to shock. They don't get how someone could hate what is basically "just a movie" that much, or see what was so bleedingly bad about it. And it is "just a movie."

Exactly. There was a review of ROTF, where they asked various movie goers, and each one of them rated the movie at least a 9 out of 10. The total (out of all the people who gave the scores) was a 9.5. And this is before the other critics reviewed ROTF. The ones who said it was a "bad" movie. Then suddenly everyone decides to hate the movie.

Don't forget the Rotten Tomatoes Viewer Opinion score. It pretty much stomps all over the critical opinion. It's a simple matter of fact that critical opinion neither defines a movie's quality or decides it's success. Only the viewers can do that, and the viewers have spoken.

I know, the viewer opinion choice had like a 77% approval. That means that the majority of the people who watched ROTF liked it.

Dagon wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:Not really, just gotta keep it in perspective reletive to the other two films. The first film was long, but moved very slowly to the point I thought it got boring before the second half when the Autobots show up in force. RotF was better about this, getting the boring part out of the way at the 1/4 point then keeping a steady pace up to the finale.

With DotM being shorter it means that they'll have to get to the action quicker, and keep ramping it up until the very end. I doubt it's length will harm the film any. Hell, it'll probably benefit from it in the long run.

Also, I'm currently wagering with a friend that the Twins will be in there. Bay's just trying to shut the Paramount executives up until June 29th.

In a way though, I'm still kind of scared. This is supposed to be the last one directed by Bay. I'm gonna miss this series. Then what if the next director just totally ruins Transformers? Not that "ruined forever" crap, but what if they get EVERYTHING wrong?

Well, I don't want to sound like a jerk but that's exactly what the "RuinedFOREVER" crap is. If the next movie is a reboot (which is likely knowing Transformers as a series) then you just gotta adapt and look forward to new stories and characters, along with a new style.

And that, class, would be called irony.
Now, I'm just having a laugh with this, so please don't everyone buttrage at me, but that would be so funny....if the fans who point and laugh at RuinedFOREVERs adopt the RuinedFOREVER mantle if/when the franchise is rebooted because it won't be Bayformer enough, and will have traveled back in time to ruin their childhoods.

For the sake of the Internet, never let that happen Bay fans. The Internet will explode into a torent of Geewunners having told you so back in 2007.

Well, you won't see that happening with me since I've long ago embraced Transformer's nature as a show that changes as much as it's main characters with every new iteration. If the next movie series is totally different I'll be down with it.

Note: KISS Players fans are on my sh*t list though.

Capt.Failure wrote:

Dagon wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:Much, but too much perhaps.....
And that, class, would be called irony.
Now, I'm just having a laugh with this, so please don't everyone buttrage at me, but that would be so funny....if the fans who point and laugh at RuinedFOREVERs adopt the RuinedFOREVER mantle if/when the franchise is rebooted because it won't be Bayformer enough, and will have traveled back in time to ruin their childhoods.

For the sake of the Internet, never let that happen Bay fans. The Internet will explode into a torent of Geewunners having told you so back in 2007.

Well, you won't see that happening with me since I've long ago embraced Transformer's nature as a show that changes as much as it's main characters with every new iteration. If the next movie series is totally different I'll be down with it.

Note: KISS Players fans are on my sh*t list though.

Why? Because they have caused something to be.....Ruined.....FOREVER?????

Nah, seriously though. I'd like to hope Bay fans won't cry RuinedFOREVER, but some, just like Geewunners, inevitably will.
I'm not a fan of the Bayverse, but I'm cool with change and differences. The problem is some people interpret not loving the Bay movies as me being a RuinedFOREVER kind of guy, and I'm not. But it's kewler to just assume that not liking Bay's version of the franchise makes me a neckbeard, so, whatever.

By the way, what exactly are you a Captain of? I'm not saluting until I see the proper credentials......

Capt.Failure wrote:

Tekka wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:Debated because those who didn't like it are outweighed by those who did, and they can't accept that fact.

Some perspective on that statement is necessary here because it borders on being an outright lie. There are innumerable cases of intolerance on both sides

Except intolerance toward those who enjoyed the film is "acceptable" on these forums. When it's directed at those who disliked it by fans of the films who for once don't feel like taking it lieing down it's suddenly seems like anything from an offensive to monsterous act.

That's a complete fallacy. =/ This is in no way productive...

You surely must have seen the difference in the two active threads, yes? It demonstrates the very reverse of your statement, yet you're now trying to justify it by referencing a crusade of sorts against a forum that oppresses movie lovers? Both sides have been battling it out for years, neither is innocent and neither should have the luxury of feigning the wounded party.

I don't understand this line of thinking at all.

Capt.Failure wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Capt.Failure wrote:
Back to my point: I never saw a reason to post on Transformer's forums until I finally broke down and tried to get people to willingly listen to our side's opinions rather than write them off as not knowing any better. And the truth is that there's more fans of this series like I was, out there but with no reason to loudly proclaim that they liked the film, and they vastly outnumber those who dislike it (simple research has proven this). I've told people I know about how forum goers react to RotF and their responses range from disbelief to shock. They don't get how someone could hate what is basically "just a movie" that much, or see what was so bleedingly bad about it. And it is "just a movie."

Exactly. There was a review of ROTF, where they asked various movie goers, and each one of them rated the movie at least a 9 out of 10. The total (out of all the people who gave the scores) was a 9.5. And this is before the other critics reviewed ROTF. The ones who said it was a "bad" movie. Then suddenly everyone decides to hate the movie.

Don't forget the Rotten Tomatoes Viewer Opinion score. It pretty much stomps all over the critical opinion. It's a simple matter of fact that critical opinion neither defines a movie's quality or decides it's success. Only the viewers can do that, and the viewers have spoken.

I think a better piece of evidence that it wasn't hated by the majority of people would be the box office takings.

That much money wasn't just from a handful of fans going back multiple times, nor would that amount of money been generated from people only seeing it once. People, and by people I mean non-fans, saw it more than once.

I know people enjoy a good train wreck and making themselves suffer, but I seriously doubt that's the case here.