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mainly becuase they remade toys of alot of the original season characters to cash in on names; they made pretender starscream and he damn well died in the movie, and action master bumblebee? i swear he became goldbug, and actionmaster Megatron? he became galvatron during the movie no? and actionmaster shockwave? he was apparently another movie death. actionmaster Prowl? he died right?

Tammuz wrote:mainly becuase they remade toys of alot of the original season characters to cash in on names; they made pretender starscream and he damn well died in the movie, and action master bumblebee? i swear he became goldbug, and actionmaster Megatron? he became galvatron during the movie no? and actionmaster shockwave? he was apparently another movie death. actionmaster Prowl? he died right?

And Optimus Prime died many times as well returning in both animation and toys.

killer wrote:

Tammuz wrote:mainly becuase they remade toys of alot of the original season characters to cash in on names; they made pretender starscream and he damn well died in the movie, and action master bumblebee? i swear he became goldbug, and actionmaster Megatron? he became galvatron during the movie no? and actionmaster shockwave? he was apparently another movie death. actionmaster Prowl? he died right?

And Optimus Prime died many times as well returning in both animation and toys.

Good points.

Scaleface wrote:Of course Wheeljack appeared in Victory, he was mentioned in the Timelines comics, and he had a post-movie toy (Action Master Wheeljack), so I see no reason you have to say he was dead if you don't want him to be. Heck, he recently had an Alternator and Spy Changer toy, but they have no supporting fiction.

the action master toyline is based of the comic storylines!
where the hell in the cartoon did you see an action master?!

Leonardo wrote:That's an interesting point. Of all the characters in G1 TF, why did Hasbro make an Action Master toy of one who was officially dead?

Your mistake is assuming the TV show was official. It's just ONE fiction made for the toy line. There are comics, audio books, and other media (heck, they made Transformers viewmasters stories!). The TV show is based on the toys, not the other way around. If they do something on the TV show that Hasbro doesn't want to reflect in the toy line, that's Hasbro's choice.

ThunderThruster wrote:the action master toyline is based of the comic storylines!
where the hell in the cartoon did you see an action master?!

No, the toys came first, and the comics tried to reflect it. The TV show coulnd't because they killed off a lot of characters in the movie. The TV show had been canceled by the time action masters happened, but we did see them in animated form in the action master commercials (though not Wheeljack, I think.)

Scaleface wrote:

Leonardo wrote:That's an interesting point. Of all the characters in G1 TF, why did Hasbro make an Action Master toy of one who was officially dead?

Your mistake is assuming the TV show was official. It's just ONE fiction made for the toy line. There are comics, audio books, and other media (heck, they made Transformers viewmasters stories!). The TV show is based on the toys, not the other way around. If they do something on the TV show that Hasbro doesn't want to reflect in the toy line, that's Hasbro's choice.

Yikes, no, I certainly don't think the TV show is official! I was saying this yesterday in some other thread. I asked the question because ThunderThruster had stated he was officially dead, when I didn't think he was.

I don't know that there's much doubt that, within the animated G1 continuity (US), most of the 1984-1985 releases did not survive the battle at Autobot City. Flint Dille pretty much said as much in the interviews on the TFTM 20th anniversary DVD. As I recall (don't have it handy at the moment), the writers had planned a scene (not sure to what stage - pre-storyboard?) where the season 1 & 2 Autobots were slaughtered running a gauntlet, but left it out because of the massive trauma it would have caused all of us in the theaters.

I think its safe to say that the movie was so focused on bringing in the new characters that all our G1 favorites got tossed to the side.

Wheres Trailbreaker, Seaspray, Huffer, Mirage, the Aerialbots, Omega Supreme, the Stunticons and countless others?

I mean, c'mon, Kup says "Devastator" in the movie like all hope is lost, when the Aerialbots used to hand them their asses.

I think the one thing about the movie that shocked me the most was that fact that autobots died from getting shot. They got shot all the time in the series and it just bounced off.

Whoever came up with the movie was thinking new toy line, not fan oriented.

First Gen wrote:Wheres Trailbreaker, Seaspray, Huffer, Mirage, the Aerialbots, Omega Supreme, the Stunticons and countless others?

I mean, c'mon, Kup says "Devastator" in the movie like all hope is lost, when the Aerialbots used to hand them their asses.

I think the one thing about the movie that shocked me the most was that fact that autobots died from getting shot. They got shot all the time in the series and it just bounced off.

As there were no combiner teams (or the Dinobots)in Autobot City at that time, they were pretty much screwed when Devastator combined. And he did own non combiners (unless they ganged up on him).

As for the shots thing, my theory (and one believed by others who want an 'instory' expenation of the massacres) is because the cons had fully taken over Cybertron, the resources were no longer getting consumed by war. This meant the cons were able to supercharge their weapons before the initial attack on the shuttle, explaining why they could kill them so easily. In the series, they simply lacked the power to cause critical damage.

The movie was stated on many occasions as being a way to get rid of the existing lines and bring in the new bunch of people/toys.

Insurgent wrote:

First Gen wrote:Wheres Trailbreaker, Seaspray, Huffer, Mirage, the Aerialbots, Omega Supreme, the Stunticons and countless others?

I mean, c'mon, Kup says "Devastator" in the movie like all hope is lost, when the Aerialbots used to hand them their asses.

I think the one thing about the movie that shocked me the most was that fact that autobots died from getting shot. They got shot all the time in the series and it just bounced off.

As there were no combiner teams (or the Dinobots)in Autobot City at that time, they were pretty much screwed when Devastator combined. And he did own non combiners (unless they ganged up on him).

As for the shots thing, my theory (and one believed by others who want an 'instory' expenation of the massacres) is because the cons had fully taken over Cybertron, the resources were no longer getting consumed by war. This meant the cons were able to supercharge their weapons before the initial attack on the shuttle, explaining why they could kill them so easily. In the series, they simply lacked the power to cause critical damage.

The movie was stated on many occasions as being a way to get rid of the existing lines and bring in the new bunch of people/toys.

Now that is a very good theory that would explain very well as to the devastation underwent at Autobot City.

The movie just wasn't well written. It left too many "if" factors.

But it still rocked. lol.

But it still rocked.

QFT. Also, no one actually won it. Yeah, the Autobots got Cybertron, but it was destroyed, energyless and they lost most of their forces. They could easily have been wiped out by a well coordinated attack.

The Cons didn't loose anyone except Shockwave, Starscream and Galvatron (the others who were thrown out were replaced so the numbers remained consistant) but were left without energy.

Unicron fell to pieces.

Lithone's became extinct.

The only ones who ended this movie in any sort of decent position were the Quentissons (after putting down a small rebellion). And that only lasted for 3 eps after. Although they did get Wheelie off their planet, so I guess they won.

I thought if I looked hard enough... I actually found Wheeljack appearing in the US animation post movie! Okay, it's from a commercial, but standing around OPtimus Prime is Prowl, Jazz, Wheeljack as well as lesser known Autobots Rad, Over-Run and Rollout!

Aurax wrote:the writers had planned a scene (not sure to what stage - pre-storyboard?) where the season 1 & 2 Autobots were slaughtered running a gauntlet, but left it out because of the massive trauma it would have caused all of us in the theaters.

*ahem* I'd be interested in hearing the details of this particular scene.

First Gen wrote:I mean, c'mon, Kup says "Devastator" in the movie like all hope is lost, when the Aerialbots used to hand them their asses.

Well, see, the Aerialbots weren't there. More accurately they weren't THEN. See, after their first excellent time travelling adventure, they wound up going on a rather bogus journey at the same time the events of the movie took place. I'm not sure howw they all fit inside the phone booth in the first place, though.

Neo Cyclonus wrote:


*ahem* I'd be interested in hearing the details of this particular scene.

Here's the actual Dille quote. Errors in transcription are mine.

The kind of interesting coda to the killing Optimus Prime story is the scene that never made it into the Transformers movie.

Next season, we're going to have all these new characters, [and] people are going to be wondering what happened to the old characters that they liked so much. And what we knew in a business sense was, "Well, they've been discontinued because they were the '84 line, but we've got to tie them off."

So we had this one scene where the Autobots basically had to run through a gauntlet of Decepticons, which basically wiped out the entire '84 product line in one massive Charge of the Light Brigade. So whoever wasn't discontinued stumbled to the end and yeah [Dille chuckles] that of course never made it into the movie. If you think kids were locking themselves in their rooms over Optimus Prime, basically in that scene they would have seen their entire toy collection wiped out.

Brakethrough wrote:

First Gen wrote:I mean, c'mon, Kup says "Devastator" in the movie like all hope is lost, when the Aerialbots used to hand them their asses.

Well, see, the Aerialbots weren't there. More accurately they weren't THEN. See, after their first excellent time travelling adventure, they wound up going on a rather bogus journey at the same time the events of the movie took place. I'm not sure howw they all fit inside the phone booth in the first place, though.

They fit in with the cunning use of mass displacement. Didn't you ever watch Transformers, old chum? Strange things were afoot at the Circle K back then.

I have to say, First Gen, that I always prefer movies (or stories, generally) that have a lot of 'if' factors. Closure is dull.

Irony here is they had to kill of the '84 characters because they toys were not being made any more, then the toy makers realized that "classic" sells, and released things like classic pretenders and action masters, and reissued many toys from the first 2 years in some countries, but then the characters were dead! Doh! The comic got off lucky because they only put the characters in stasis lock or whatever, but the TV show killed them off.

Leonardo wrote:

Scaleface wrote:

Leonardo wrote:That's an interesting point. Of all the characters in G1 TF, why did Hasbro make an Action Master toy of one who was officially dead?

Your mistake is assuming the TV show was official. It's just ONE fiction made for the toy line. There are comics, audio books, and other media (heck, they made Transformers viewmasters stories!). The TV show is based on the toys, not the other way around. If they do something on the TV show that Hasbro doesn't want to reflect in the toy line, that's Hasbro's choice.

Yikes, no, I certainly don't think the TV show is official! I was saying this yesterday in some other thread. I asked the question because ThunderThruster had stated he was officially dead, when I didn't think he was.

as far as i was aware this thread was about the movie and the animated continuity!

ThunderThruster wrote:

Leonardo wrote:

Scaleface wrote:

Leonardo wrote:That's an interesting point. Of all the characters in G1 TF, why did Hasbro make an Action Master toy of one who was officially dead?

Your mistake is assuming the TV show was official. It's just ONE fiction made for the toy line. There are comics, audio books, and other media (heck, they made Transformers viewmasters stories!). The TV show is based on the toys, not the other way around. If they do something on the TV show that Hasbro doesn't want to reflect in the toy line, that's Hasbro's choice.

Yikes, no, I certainly don't think the TV show is official! I was saying this yesterday in some other thread. I asked the question because ThunderThruster had stated he was officially dead, when I didn't think he was.

as far as i was aware this thread was about the movie and the animated continuity!

Yes, it is. I didn't put your post into context when I read it. In other words, I misread it. Sorry!

Another point to made is that Japan did not get TFTM until 1989. Which was around the time Victory was airing.

First Gen wrote:

Insurgent wrote:

First Gen wrote:Wheres Trailbreaker, Seaspray, Huffer, Mirage, the Aerialbots, Omega Supreme, the Stunticons and countless others?

I mean, c'mon, Kup says "Devastator" in the movie like all hope is lost, when the Aerialbots used to hand them their asses.

I think the one thing about the movie that shocked me the most was that fact that autobots died from getting shot. They got shot all the time in the series and it just bounced off.

As there were no combiner teams (or the Dinobots)in Autobot City at that time, they were pretty much screwed when Devastator combined. And he did own non combiners (unless they ganged up on him).

As for the shots thing, my theory (and one believed by others who want an 'instory' expenation of the massacres) is because the cons had fully taken over Cybertron, the resources were no longer getting consumed by war. This meant the cons were able to supercharge their weapons before the initial attack on the shuttle, explaining why they could kill them so easily. In the series, they simply lacked the power to cause critical damage.

The movie was stated on many occasions as being a way to get rid of the existing lines and bring in the new bunch of people/toys.

Now that is a very good theory that would explain very well as to the devastation underwent at Autobot City.

The movie just wasn't well written. It left too many "if" factors.

But it still rocked. lol.

and a curios thing. how many cons there were? cause there was enought artillery in Autbot city to destroy an army.

and a curios thing. how many cons there were? cause there was enought artillery in Autbot city to destroy an army.

Confirmed cons are: (I'll list them across a page to save space)

Megatron, Soundwave, Rumble, Frenzy, Ravage, Ratbat, Laserbeak/Buzzsaw (don't know which, but one of them ejects aboard Astrotrain to defend Soundwave, so he must have been present during the battle), Starscream, Thundercraker, Skywarp, Dirge, Ramjet, Thrust, Reflector, Bombshell, Kickback, Shrapnel, Reflector, Astrotrain, Blitzwing, Scrapper, Hook, Long Haul, Scavanger, Mixmaster, Bonecrusher. Shockwave is debatable. He is seen in one of the scenes flying around, but this could have been an animation mistake as he is never seen off Cybertron anywhere else. Not including Shockwave, that makes... 26. Of course, the Insecticons could have brought their clone army they were oh so fond of towards the end of series 2, so that number could rocket up anywhere into the high hundreds.

And who's to say Autobot City was fully online? I'm sure if it was, Metroplex would have transformed and kicked Devastator into the mountain.

Don't forget to count Reflector 3 times, he's three robots - Spectro, Spyglass and Viewfinder.

Let me put it this way then - Is there any proof that Wheeljack wasn't just injured in the movie? No one said he's dead, and we just see him laying there injured.

Only one Reflector is seen. But I guess your right, he should be counted as 3.

Let me put it this way then - Is there any proof that Wheeljack wasn't just injured in the movie? No one said he's dead, and we just see him laying there injured.

Oh, he certainly took a beating in the movie. Of that, there is no doubt. Like I said, I have him pegged as comatose in the movie due to the horrific damage he took, taking a long time to recover and suffering neurological damage.