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by **ThunderThruster** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:25 am

Scaleface wrote:Let me put it this way then - Is there any proof that Wheeljack wasn't just injured in the movie? No one said he's dead, and we just see him laying there injured.

your supposed to get confirmation from the look on arcee's face.

News Credits: 767 · by **Dead Metal** » Sun May 13, 2007 8:51 am

Basketball Jones wrote:Although a scene with a Wheeljack that is heavily damaged and incapacitated is shown, there are numerous indicators that he is not dead:

-Unlike most of the other deaths in TF:TM, Wheeljack is not grey in the scene where he is depicted as heavily damaged.

-One of the other robots (Arcee?) is dragging him to safety. Why bother dragging a corpse to safety when the base is under full siege?

-On the storyboards, Smokescreen is depicted to be dead rather than Wheeljack.

-He appears later on in Transformers: Victory.

Wouldn't it make more sense for Wheeljack to have just been badly injured and taken out of the action for an extended amount of time while recovering?

Sory if someone sayd that oredy.
A lot of transformers that died during the movie shoed up in the japaneas shows, becows the movie aired in 1989 in Japan. And the japanes showes folowed a diferent storyline that ignores the rebirth.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Sun May 13, 2007 7:08 pm

Wheeljack = Dead

Brawn = Alive

Don't arue with it. My logic is infallible!

News Credits: 668 · by **Autobot032** » Sun May 13, 2007 7:11 pm

...this is still going? Wheeljack bought it, he's dead. So is brawn.

There's a new movie to deal with, f**k Wheeljack and Brawn. lol

News Credits: 49 · by **Scaleface** » Sun May 13, 2007 7:20 pm

Prime died. Didn't last. Why should Wheeljack's death?

News Credits: 668 · by **Autobot032** » Sun May 13, 2007 7:24 pm

Scaleface wrote:Prime died. Didn't last. Why should Wheeljack's death?

Wheeljack, compared to Optimus Prime is a nobody. I mean you, me, and the fandom (well a good portion, perhaps not the newbies) know who Wheeljack is, but when you ask someone, they say "Oh yeah, I remember those! The semi guy, Optimus, he was cool." If you mention that Prime died, they're like "Really? That sucks." and nothing more comes of it. Mentioning Wheeljack is like watching a deer in the headlights for some people.

Optimus Prime is *THE* face of TransFormers.

EDIT: Clarification.

News Credits: 49 · by **Scaleface** » Sun May 13, 2007 7:53 pm

Didn't ask if he was famous. Asked if he was dead.

News Credits: 668 · by **Autobot032** » Sun May 13, 2007 10:04 pm

Scaleface wrote:Didn't ask if he was famous. Asked if he was dead.

No, you're right, you didn't. However, my explanation is one of many possible theories.

When it comes down to it, Wheeljack is in fact dead. Hasbro killed him and all of the Season 1 guys to make room for the movie and beyond line. Back then, apparently kids just weren't sophisticated enough to handle the fact that there might be different TFs. (note: Sarcasm)

It's all about money, and pushing product.

Yes, Wheeljack is dead.

News Credits: 1 · by **Leonardo** » Mon May 14, 2007 3:01 am

ThunderThruster wrote:
Scaleface wrote:Let me put it this way then - Is there any proof that Wheeljack wasn't just injured in the movie? No one said he's dead, and we just see him laying there injured.

your supposed to get confirmation from the look on arcee's face.

I agree with this, I think the shot of Arcee's expression is supposed to be a visual cue that Wheeljack is beyond repair.

News Credits: 49 · by **Scaleface** » Mon May 14, 2007 4:26 am

Autobot032 wrote:
Scaleface wrote:Didn't ask if he was famous. Asked if he was dead.

No, you're right, you didn't. However, my explanation is one of many possible theories.

When it comes down to it, Wheeljack is in fact dead. Hasbro killed him and all of the Season 1 guys to make room for the movie and beyond line. Back then, apparently kids just weren't sophisticated enough to handle the fact that there might be different TFs. (note: Sarcasm)

It's all about money, and pushing product.

Yes, Wheeljack is dead.

It took a while for Hasbro to realize they could recycle the characters into new toys, and then oddly Wheeljack was alive, with Action Master Wheeljack. I guess he was popular!

News Credits: 2 · by **Insurgent** » Mon May 14, 2007 2:02 pm

To put this Wheeljack thing at rest once and for all:

Dr Leonard \"Bones\" McCoy wrote:He's dead Jim.

News Credits: 49 · by **Scaleface** » Mon May 14, 2007 4:20 pm

I guess the WHeeljack that appeared in the Action Master commercials and in Victory is going to be really pissed when he finds out he was dead.

I guess he is dead, if you have a limited view of continuity and make assumptions about Arcee's eyes as a medical diagnosis. The rest of us know he's alive.

News Credits: 2 · by **Insurgent** » Mon May 14, 2007 4:25 pm

Scaleface wrote:I guess the WHeeljack that appeared in the Action Master commercials and in Victory is going to be really pissed when he finds out he was dead.

I guess he is dead, if you have a limited view of continuity and make assumptions about Arcee's eyes as a medical diagnosis. The rest of us know he's alive.

YES!! Someone else who thinks Wheeljack lived through the movie!

(My above statement was based off 'official sources'. My own belief is stated on a previous page)

News Credits: 49 · by **Scaleface** » Mon May 14, 2007 5:28 pm

Insurgent wrote:
And who's to say Autobot City was fully online? I'm sure if it was, Metroplex would have transformed and kicked Devastator into the mountain.

Reading the movie script it says that Autobot City was basically series of power plants. There were hydro-electric dams, windmills, geothermal, etc (Most of that was lost in the animation). Most of that hardware was there to make energy, it wasn't a battle station.

by **Uncrazzimatic** » Mon May 14, 2007 6:27 pm

No offence guys, but you kind of sound like those people who think aliens abducted Elvis, or that JFK is alive on some island somewhere. He's dead. Let it go.

News Credits: 49 · by **Scaleface** » Mon May 14, 2007 6:57 pm

Not so odd, considering they never actually said he was dead, just implied it in an admitted animation error. It is definitely open for debate based on the movie alone, and based on his appearing twice in animated form after, and having several more toys made, and not being dead in any other continuity, some people figure he was only wounded badly.

News Credits: 3 · by **MagnusPrimal** » Mon May 14, 2007 11:34 pm

Leonardo wrote:
ThunderThruster wrote:
Scaleface wrote:Let me put it this way then - Is there any proof that Wheeljack wasn't just injured in the movie? No one said he's dead, and we just see him laying there injured.

your supposed to get confirmation from the look on arcee's face.

I agree with this, I think the shot of Arcee's expression is supposed to be a visual cue that Wheeljack is beyond repair.

I hope Arcee is better at that sort of thing than Perceptor is. Seeing as how he let Prime die, when a single Quintesson managed to repair him and bring him back. So I'm thinking Arcee might not be an authority in this area.

News Credits: 1 · by **Leonardo** » Tue May 15, 2007 2:17 am

MagnusPrimal wrote:
Leonardo wrote:
ThunderThruster wrote:
Scaleface wrote:Let me put it this way then - Is there any proof that Wheeljack wasn't just injured in the movie? No one said he's dead, and we just see him laying there injured.

your supposed to get confirmation from the look on arcee's face.

I agree with this, I think the shot of Arcee's expression is supposed to be a visual cue that Wheeljack is beyond repair.

I hope Arcee is better at that sort of thing than Perceptor is. Seeing as how he let Prime die, when a single Quintesson managed to repair him and bring him back. So I'm thinking Arcee might not be an authority in this area.

I don't know, she's helluva tough! Maybe she is technically minded, as well...

Anyway, it could just be that she was struck by the atrocities of war.

by **Uncrazzimatic** » Tue May 15, 2007 7:53 am

Scaleface wrote:Not so odd, considering they never actually said he was dead, just implied it in an admitted animation error. It is definitely open for debate based on the movie alone, and based on his appearing twice in animated form after, and having several more toys made, and not being dead in any other continuity, some people figure he was only wounded badly.

1) He appeared in animation form in Japanese series who, as it has already been stated didn't get the movie till much later and didn't know he was dead. He never apepared again in western media, thus he is dead in American continutiy.
2)The shows and comics are based on the toys not the other way around. Who lives and dies in the show has no effect on who hasbro release as toys.
3) You said it yourself other continuity. Not this one.

by **icanfly** » Tue May 15, 2007 8:17 am

Well the ones who are definately dead are the ones named in Dark Awakening. Other than OP, the bodies in there ended up in the sun didn't it? Haven't seen it for a while but I know Daniel mentions a few names when they first arrive

JL

News Credits: 2 · by **Insurgent** » Tue May 15, 2007 10:19 am

Uncrazzimatic wrote:No offence guys, but you kind of sound like those people who think aliens abducted Elvis, or that JFK is alive on some island somewhere. He's dead. Let it go.

Aliens didn't abduct Elvis. He just went home.

by **ThunderThruster** » Tue May 15, 2007 12:36 pm

Insurgent wrote:Aliens didn't abduct Elvis. He just went home.

how true! TF's mentioned or that have name plaques in dark awakening that are dead: optimus prime (we know he comes back), ironhide, ratchet, prowl, huffer. alright theres no mention of wheeljack, but that looks like 1 mighty long corridor!

News Credits: 49 · by **Scaleface** » Tue May 15, 2007 1:08 pm

Uncrazzimatic wrote:1) He appeared in animation form in Japanese series who, as it has already been stated didn't get the movie till much later and didn't know he was dead. He never apepared again in western media, thus he is dead in American continutiy.
2)The shows and comics are based on the toys not the other way around. Who lives and dies in the show has no effect on who hasbro release as toys.
3) You said it yourself other continuity. Not this one.

You still seem to be unable to accept that there is no actual PROOF he died at all. You seem to be able to discount every bit of evidence that he lived, but do you have ANY proof he died? Arcee's sad eyes don't count.

by **ThunderThruster** » Tue May 15, 2007 1:24 pm

in the g1 western cartoon continuity (which is what this thread is about) he's 1 dead S.o.B!

News Credits: 1 · by **Leonardo** » Tue May 15, 2007 1:31 pm

Scaleface wrote:
Uncrazzimatic wrote:1) He appeared in animation form in Japanese series who, as it has already been stated didn't get the movie till much later and didn't know he was dead. He never apepared again in western media, thus he is dead in American continutiy.
2)The shows and comics are based on the toys not the other way around. Who lives and dies in the show has no effect on who hasbro release as toys.
3) You said it yourself other continuity. Not this one.

You still seem to be unable to accept that there is no actual PROOF he died at all. You seem to be able to discount every bit of evidence that he lived, but do you have ANY proof he died? Arcee's sad eyes don't count.

You raise a good point. Unless there was something in the crypt of "Dark Awakening" that indicates his death, then he could just be mysteriously absent like Springer and Sky Lynx in "The Rebirth".