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Kurona wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZZOKHT1t0U
I... I really don't have a clue what's going on anymore. It's just a lot of things happening.
Kurona wrote:I'm starting to feel really weird about this series.
Like, it's bad; no doubt about it (and unless the last episode is a miracle of writing that's not going to change). And there's so many things on this episode I could comment on and criticise - the half-hearted undeserved death scene, the original 'ultimate combiner' design for Starscream before he broke up being really bland, just everything in general being an unexplained mess...
But I can't. I can't really bring myself to. I don't really feel anger or disappointment when I watch this anymore; I just feel kind of... empty. Like. There's just nothing. It's just there, and it's bad, and it's embarrassing. And it's nothing.
DarkEnergon wrote:Oh, and I can't even show my kids this harmless show because at the bottom of the Go90 app is always a talk show about sex toys or something.
o.supreme wrote:Randomhero wrote: As for their personalities, why do they have to be exactly like the cartoon or marvel comic?
I am confused...you were the one that first mentioned DW characters did not fit their personalities...I just redirected your thoughts towards IDW..because to ME Those characters are the ones that do not fit...
All the story points you mentioned mean little if someone simply doesn't enjoy them. Of all the IDW stories..Stormbringer was ok...All Hail Megatron was the best. I had high hopes for Combiner Wars but it was a bit of a let down (not nearly as bad as this animated series however)Sorry...Megatron being an Autobot is just plain stupid, that is just one example of many. The reason why I enjoyed DW so much is yes because it in some ways reminded me of the original animated series I enjoy to this day (while clearly not being the same), and nothing else has come close. When I read DW comics I can clearly hear all the animated character voices in my head...when I read IDW...Its like hearing the Omni Productions English dub of Headmasters... its just not right.
1984forever wrote:What Hasbro should do is simply reanimate the G1 cartoon with better action sequences using the current toy models while keeping all the old audio.
1984forever wrote:What Hasbro should do is simply reanimate the G1 cartoon with better action sequences using the current toy models while keeping all the old audio.
D-Maximus_Primal wrote:I will finish the last episode, but this to me hasn't been very good. Very.... something. I would need time to think about proper words for it
Randomhero wrote:Series is still better than Energon. I guess that's not hard when energon sets the bar so low through
Yes and we'll all keep our old G1 DVDs.Kurona wrote:1984forever wrote:What Hasbro should do is simply reanimate the G1 cartoon with better action sequences using the current toy models while keeping all the old audio.
Nah. The animation - style, errors and all - was part of it's charm.
That's an opinion, one which I do not share. Prime (in my opinion, of course) was very good.1984forever wrote:But there hasn't been a watchable Transformers show in almost 30 years!
Kurona wrote:Randomhero wrote:Series is still better than Energon. I guess that's not hard when energon sets the bar so low through
I guess I can at least say I've been able to get through all episodes of this. Energon I was only able to make it to Episode 17 before quitting out of sheer unbearability (also they turned the only good character, Demolishor, into a generic mook)
... then again, if we're going by that criteria I guess I dislike RiD 2001 worse than both since I got through only a few episodes of that (I think only until the one where they introduced the combaticon recolours and scourge?) before I couldn't take the boredom anymore
1984forever wrote:Yes and we'll all keep our old G1 DVDs.Kurona wrote:1984forever wrote:What Hasbro should do is simply reanimate the G1 cartoon with better action sequences using the current toy models while keeping all the old audio.
Nah. The animation - style, errors and all - was part of it's charm.
But there hasn't been a watchable Transformers show in almost 30 years! If they can't come out with anything better, then do like the classics toy line and improve upon the old.
SillySpringer wrote:Kurona wrote:Randomhero wrote:Series is still better than Energon. I guess that's not hard when energon sets the bar so low through
I guess I can at least say I've been able to get through all episodes of this. Energon I was only able to make it to Episode 17 before quitting out of sheer unbearability (also they turned the only good character, Demolishor, into a generic mook)
... then again, if we're going by that criteria I guess I dislike RiD 2001 worse than both since I got through only a few episodes of that (I think only until the one where they introduced the combaticon recolours and scourge?) before I couldn't take the boredom anymore
I really liked RiD 2001 actually. It was pretty good to me. Energon was ear-torture to me though. Kicker needed to die in a fire.I never got through more than four episodes if that much.
Kurona wrote:SillySpringer wrote:Kurona wrote:Randomhero wrote:Series is still better than Energon. I guess that's not hard when energon sets the bar so low through
I guess I can at least say I've been able to get through all episodes of this. Energon I was only able to make it to Episode 17 before quitting out of sheer unbearability (also they turned the only good character, Demolishor, into a generic mook)
... then again, if we're going by that criteria I guess I dislike RiD 2001 worse than both since I got through only a few episodes of that (I think only until the one where they introduced the combaticon recolours and scourge?) before I couldn't take the boredom anymore
I really liked RiD 2001 actually. It was pretty good to me. Energon was ear-torture to me though. Kicker needed to die in a fire.I never got through more than four episodes if that much.
Oh yeah, Energon was easily the worst cartoon; no question about it. I think it's the one thing everyone here can agree on. Was just making fun of my own criteria is all.
Plus, even if I didn't like RiD; I have to admit it at least gave us Sky-Byte.
SillySpringer wrote:Kurona wrote:SillySpringer wrote:Kurona wrote:Randomhero wrote:Series is still better than Energon. I guess that's not hard when energon sets the bar so low through
I guess I can at least say I've been able to get through all episodes of this. Energon I was only able to make it to Episode 17 before quitting out of sheer unbearability (also they turned the only good character, Demolishor, into a generic mook)
... then again, if we're going by that criteria I guess I dislike RiD 2001 worse than both since I got through only a few episodes of that (I think only until the one where they introduced the combaticon recolours and scourge?) before I couldn't take the boredom anymore
I really liked RiD 2001 actually. It was pretty good to me. Energon was ear-torture to me though. Kicker needed to die in a fire.I never got through more than four episodes if that much.
Oh yeah, Energon was easily the worst cartoon; no question about it. I think it's the one thing everyone here can agree on. Was just making fun of my own criteria is all.
Plus, even if I didn't like RiD; I have to admit it at least gave us Sky-Byte.
He, Scourge, and another awesome version of Fort Max were all great things that came out of RiD.
Decepticon Stryker wrote:SillySpringer wrote:Kurona wrote:SillySpringer wrote:Kurona wrote:Randomhero wrote:Series is still better than Energon. I guess that's not hard when energon sets the bar so low through
I guess I can at least say I've been able to get through all episodes of this. Energon I was only able to make it to Episode 17 before quitting out of sheer unbearability (also they turned the only good character, Demolishor, into a generic mook)
... then again, if we're going by that criteria I guess I dislike RiD 2001 worse than both since I got through only a few episodes of that (I think only until the one where they introduced the combaticon recolours and scourge?) before I couldn't take the boredom anymore
I really liked RiD 2001 actually. It was pretty good to me. Energon was ear-torture to me though. Kicker needed to die in a fire.I never got through more than four episodes if that much.
Oh yeah, Energon was easily the worst cartoon; no question about it. I think it's the one thing everyone here can agree on. Was just making fun of my own criteria is all.
Plus, even if I didn't like RiD; I have to admit it at least gave us Sky-Byte.
He, Scourge, and another awesome version of Fort Max were all great things that came out of RiD.
It also have us a figure that has almost twice as many modes as Sixshot.
Kurona wrote:SillySpringer wrote:Kurona wrote:Randomhero wrote:Series is still better than Energon. I guess that's not hard when energon sets the bar so low through
I guess I can at least say I've been able to get through all episodes of this. Energon I was only able to make it to Episode 17 before quitting out of sheer unbearability (also they turned the only good character, Demolishor, into a generic mook)
... then again, if we're going by that criteria I guess I dislike RiD 2001 worse than both since I got through only a few episodes of that (I think only until the one where they introduced the combaticon recolours and scourge?) before I couldn't take the boredom anymore
I really liked RiD 2001 actually. It was pretty good to me. Energon was ear-torture to me though. Kicker needed to die in a fire.I never got through more than four episodes if that much.
Oh yeah, Energon was easily the worst cartoon; no question about it. I think it's the one thing everyone here can agree on. Was just making fun of my own criteria is all.
Plus, even if I didn't like RiD; I have to admit it at least gave us Sky-Byte.
Precisely. I just rewatched the last 4 minutes of The Rebirth and there's nothing there designed to lead the audience to believe that the series is meant to continue. The deliveries, the musical cues, the overall tone, and of course the Golden Age bit are all designed to make you feel a sense of satisfaction and conclusion. What dangling plot points that are left seem clearly to be of the "it never ends" variety, rather than the "tune in next week" variety.
But to address the larger issue, even if S4 didn't end with a very satisfying conclusion (though what I wouldn't give to be able to skip over to the parallel universe where they gave David Wise 5 episodes to accomplish all of this rather than three!) a direct sequel, today, would be a certain misfire. Consider.
It wouldn't SOUND like the G1 cartoon. Many of the vocal cast has passed on. Some no longer act. Some would just be prohibitively expensive. Wally Burr just had a serious stroke. So you'd be casting new people, with a new vocal director. Maybe the old music and sound effects could be dug up. Maybe. But the voices would certainly be different.
It wouldn't LOOK like the G1 cartoon. The animation industry has evolved. Would it be IMPOSSIBLE to make something look just like Sunbow? I suppose not. But no one's doing that right now, which means you'd have to relearn all those techniques. And that'd, again, be prohibitively expensive. Much much much more likely you'd bring in a modern studio using modern techniques and then get a modern looking cartoon. Maybe they'd use the old animation models. Maybe. But creative people like to put their own spin on things, as they should, and I suspect you'd get all the characters redesigned.
It wouldn't be WRITTEN like the G1 cartoon. Admittedly this would probably be the easiest one to get right, since guys like Wise and Dille are still around. But, as we saw with ReGeneration One, there's this weight of history and expectations that would be hard to resist. Had we gotten a full-on season 4 or a proper season 5 back in the day, the show would have continued to have a zany, episodic structure only loosely punctuated by a few tentpole continuity-heavy episodes. Were someone to try to revisit it now, there would be an overly big focus on the classic characters (the Bumblebees, Soundwaves, Galvatrons, Hot Rods, Grimlocks, etc) and not the new waves of toys we actually got in year 4 and 5. And there would be the temptation to make the series bigger, include season-long arcs and subplots, and that just wasn't how TV was written back them.
And a show that looks, sounds, and is structured differently than the G1 toon, well, it just wouldn't be the G1 toon, no matter what continuity it purports to be in. Better to just move on, make something that can be unabashedly, unashamedly new. If you must, MUST have more Sunbow, I'd suggest that a Dille / Guidi partnership could probably do a credible job of bringing it to the pages of a comic. But I think the whole idea is flawed and unnecessary.
-JimS
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Kurona wrote:Oh yeah, Energon was easily the worst cartoon; no question about it. I think it's the one thing everyone here can agree on. Was just making fun of my own criteria is all. Plus, even if I didn't like RiD; I have to admit it at least gave us Sky-Byte.
o.supreme wrote:Kurona wrote:Oh yeah, Energon was easily the worst cartoon; no question about it. I think it's the one thing everyone here can agree on. Was just making fun of my own criteria is all. Plus, even if I didn't like RiD; I have to admit it at least gave us Sky-Byte.
Not to split hairs...but I actually prefer Energon to Armada. I'm not saying Energon is good mind you..But I'll take the combining gimmick over lamepokemonminicons any day, and to me Kicker is almost likable next to Billy & Fred. I think they along with that pink bunny from Zone are the only organic characters I've wished death upon in a TF animated series.
Kurona wrote:o.supreme wrote:Kurona wrote:Oh yeah, Energon was easily the worst cartoon; no question about it. I think it's the one thing everyone here can agree on. Was just making fun of my own criteria is all. Plus, even if I didn't like RiD; I have to admit it at least gave us Sky-Byte.
Not to split hairs...but I actually prefer Energon to Armada. I'm not saying Energon is good mind you..But I'll take the combining gimmick over lamepokemonminicons any day, and to me Kicker is almost likable next to Billy & Fred. I think they along with that pink bunny from Zone are the only organic characters I've wished death upon in a TF animated series.
... okay, we can at least all agree that Kiss Players is the worst thing ever and should never have existed, right?
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