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Hey people welcome! I've actually been using this site for a few years but wanted to get some consensus on my opinions.
Rotf looks bad and I am hoping for a flop. With the first movie I think there was a curiosity factor between hardcore fans and casual fans that assured its success. I hated it for reasons that are well documented. on to the sequel

reason #1.
the fallen is a dreamwave character. not a original classic g1 alumni
2. it seems they took the liberty of designing the characters into something that is completely unrecognizable.
3. no megatron?????
4. lets just say im hoping for a flop so they rethink the 3rd movie

Hi Sam,

Your entire argument is flawed. Here's why...

1. Get over the whole G1 thing. This is Michael Bay's Transformers. It was never gonna be G1 and never will be. This should have been clear to you three years ago.

2. If ROTF is a flop then there won't be a TF3. It's very simple.

Understood? Good.

Eyeglaze Prime wrote:Hi Sam,

Your entire argument is flawed. Here's why...

1. Get over the whole G1 thing. This is Michael Bay's Transformers. It was never gonna be G1 and never will be. This should have been clear to you three years ago.

2. If ROTF is a flop then there won't be a TF3. It's very simple.

Understood? Good.

lol, now I remember why I don't post on forums. but thanks

where are all these 1st time posters coming from?

any way fallen isn't in the movie, as far as anyone can tell. the title is refering to the fallen faction getting their revenge.

also i'm a HUGE G1 fan, but i realize the film is in its own world. don't watch it expecting to see a transforming volkswagon, an evil gun, or a space bridge. watch it as a regular action movie and judge it based on that.

or call it the go-bots movie and you'll feel better

Name_Violation wrote:where are all these 1st time posters coming from?

any way fallen isn't in the movie, as far as anyone can tell. the title is refering to the fallen faction getting their revenge.

also i'm a HUGE G1 fan, but i realize the film is in its own world. don't watch it expecting to see a transforming volkswagon, an evil gun, or a space bridge. watch it as a regular action movie and judge it based on that.

or call it the go-bots movie and you'll feel better

?

You must be behind on the times and/or didn't watch the full trailer.

Yep, pretty sure the Fallen is in it.

In reference to the original post: I grew up with G1, never watched or read anything else other than G1, and while I may not agree with certain things that are done, I take it as it is and still enjoy it. These movies aren't based on G1 per say, anything you see that looks like G1 or reminds you of it, is more of a "paying homage to". Like moving far away to a new area with a new home, the house is completely different in design and structure, but the things you have decorated around it are the same things you had in your last home, so, it gives that sense of home but not quite.

Eh, I'm usually better with analogies, but I just got up not long ago.

i too grew up watching g1. i had all the toys, i watched the show everytime it came on. but i also watched beast wars, beast machines, rid, armada, energon, ect...and now theres animated.

if there is one thing ive noticed, no two series are the same. unless someone comes along and says they want to pick up on g1 where it was left off, g1 is over, and people need to accept that.

its all part of shobiz, you have to have different elements at work to reach and captivate different audiences.

obviously, bayformers wanted to take the "realistic" approach, seeing as it is a live-action movie about giant robots being made from a cartoon.

the movie made tons of money, so they did something right.

ive learned to accept all of the different transformers stories, just bc i think transformers are so freaking cool

Name_Violation wrote:where are all these 1st time posters coming from?

any way fallen isn't in the movie, as far as anyone can tell. the title is refering to the fallen faction getting their revenge.

also i'm a HUGE G1 fan, but i realize the film is in its own world. don't watch it expecting to see a transforming volkswagon, an evil gun, or a space bridge. watch it as a regular action movie and judge it based on that.

or call it the go-bots movie and you'll feel better

well all the CGI pics and toy beg to differ and to the origional poster it doesn't matter if megs isn't in it the Fallen is well known and can still be a great villain and I really doubt it'll flop dude the action looks really good if you watch the trailer, and tfs has a huge fan base now I'll admit some of the dseigns looks alittle odd this time around dosen't mean the movie will fail. People who aren't fans who saw the first movie and liked it wanna see the next one so I'm sure it'll be popular. Just because it's a little different u want it to go back to happy g1 where all the bots look like robotic humans, Megs is a gun, prime has a disapearing trailer and Bumblebee is a VW bug. Get over it Bay wants things more realistic not cartoons on the big screen you want that? just open up a movie theater and show G1 cartoons all day.

It really is too bad when people hope for M. Bay's failure so much, that they would like to see the movie fail in order for this to happen. It's basicly like cutting your nose off to spite your face. that is pretty silly.

I actually liked the movie. It wasn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but as an "action movie", it was quite good. it had to be enjoyable for everyone (not just TF fans), otherwise it never wouldv'e been made in the first place. I can settle for that. The other option is no movie at all. I would rather have it than not have it at all.

Eyeglaze Prime wrote:Hi Sam,

Your entire argument is flawed. Here's why...

1. Get over the whole G1 thing. This is Michael Bay's Transformers. It was never gonna be G1 and never will be. This should have been clear to you three years ago.

2. If ROTF is a flop then there won't be a TF3. It's very simple.

Understood? Good.

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Thanks for sticking up! I know if i look at rotf as maybe a lost episode of g1 I might feel better bout it. I hated the dreamwave comics. The bot's faces looked like children and the stories seemed 2 me like fan fiction. maybe this is y I don't like The Fallen idea

As far as I'm aware, they're just using 'The Fallen' as a name (after all, it is a cool name). I doubt there'll be any links to the comics character. After all, the Movie version of, say, Blackout, was completely different from his G1 counterpart, the only link being the name.

So I don't think there's any danger of links to the old comics - you're safe on that score, I'll wager.

But the thing that most people comment on is the alien 'look' of the Bayformers. But if you think about it, the comics and the G1 cartoon have fooled us into thinking that all the Transformers should have human-like faces and proportions. If you go back to the toys, this simply isn't the case.

Look at the toy of Brawn, for example. Spindly legs, flat arms and an expressionless face. Yes, the cartoon and the comics made him look more human-like, but the toy... well in my view that looks almost as alien as any of the robots in Bay's films.

Look at all the toys - Jazz and Springer had no feet. Sandstorm had really tiny arms. Wheelie's arms were too long. But all these alien features that were inherent in the toys were 'corrected' for the comics and TV show.

Look at the faces even. Many of the toys had no mouths to speak of. Skids, Tracks, Bumblebee, Trailbreaker, Gears, Huffer, Jetfire, Brawn - all of them were given more humanoid faces in the cartoon to make them look less alien.

My point is that the old Transformers were always mis-proportioned and alien-looking - from Whirl to Ironhide to Wheeljack to Pipes. It was the cartoons and the comics that made the characters human and kid-friendly - and by making them truly alien again Bay is returning Transformers to its conceptual roots, not betraying them as many people seem to believe.

wow, really? you do realize the original toys, were..toys..and the fact that they had small arms was likely more of a design constraint than on purpose. This is clear as later and more acurate versions of the original Transformers came out ie masterpiece and binaltech. As opposed to Bayformers, which are malporportioned on purpose. Also, do you really think the level of disporpotion of say, six-shot, Ultra magnus, or Optimus Primal is even close to Bays Devastator or Starscream?

Leaving the brand name alone, Bays robots dont even look like robots, they look like monsters without character from a Sci-Fi channel film. And I say that in all honesty.

starfish wrote:As far as I'm aware, they're just using 'The Fallen' as a name (after all, it is a cool name). I doubt there'll be any links to the comics character. After all, the Movie version of, say, Blackout, was completely different from his G1 counterpart, the only link being the name.

So I don't think there's any danger of links to the old comics - you're safe on that score, I'll wager.

But the thing that most people comment on is the alien 'look' of the Bayformers. But if you think about it, the comics and the G1 cartoon have fooled us into thinking that all the Transformers should have human-like faces and proportions. If you go back to the toys, this simply isn't the case.

Look at the toy of Brawn, for example. Spindly legs, flat arms and an expressionless face. Yes, the cartoon and the comics made him look more human-like, but the toy... well in my view that looks almost as alien as any of the robots in Bay's films.

Look at all the toys - Jazz and Springer had no feet. Sandstorm had really tiny arms. Wheelie's arms were too long. But all these alien features that were inherent in the toys were 'corrected' for the comics and TV show.

Look at the faces even. Many of the toys had no mouths to speak of. Skids, Tracks, Bumblebee, Trailbreaker, Gears, Huffer, Jetfire, Brawn - all of them were given more humanoid faces in the cartoon to make them look less alien.

My point is that the old Transformers were always mis-proportioned and alien-looking - from Whirl to Ironhide to Wheeljack to Pipes. It was the cartoons and the comics that made the characters human and kid-friendly - and by making them truly alien again Bay is returning Transformers to its conceptual roots, not betraying them as many people seem to believe.

We will find out when the movie is released if the Fallen's back story is similar to the comics.

I agree with the OP, I hope the movie flops so mr egomaniac can go back to car chases and hot chicks in other movies. The dude needs a bomb under his belt. Dev looks like a robotic egor!!

It's only the Decepticons that look inhuman, which works cause they're the bad guys. Also these designs always look bad in picture form, but seeing them in action and moving is where they really come through.

Why the negative attitude towards this film?
The first one was great.

I am a huge G1 fan BUT I can appreciate what Bay did with the first one.

"Free your mind and the rest will follow".

Cyber Bishop wrote:Why the negative attitude towards this film?
The first one was great.

I am a huge G1 fan BUT I can appreciate what Bay did with the first one.

"Free your mind and the rest will follow".

Fan Boi's will always have attitude. Its the american way

The bottom line is that if the movie was totally inspired by previous notions of what a Transformers movie is supposed to be, then there would never have been a movie made in the first place. I don't understand why everyone is griping about the movie depictions so much anyway. I guess if some people want the movie to flop, then that is completely up to them. Everyone has the right to have an opinion. However, they shouldn't watch it at the theatres this summer or rent it when it comes out later on dvd. Also, don't buy any of the merchandise related to the movie. Basicly, don't support it in any way, shape or form-to do otherwise will be hipocritical. As for me, I will be there on opening day. No questions about it. I can't freaking wait.

I bought a couple of the previous movies toys just 2 experience the engineering of bay's bots compared 2 my g1 figures. the guy earlier said it best. They are "sci-fi-monsters" I won't buy any rotf figures. Soundwave lmao doesn't even look familiar does he??? Am I wrong? (so let down) Soundwave enough was reason 4 sequel. I have a hint he's in the film for less than 1 minute screentime. IF in it at all

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TheMuffin wrote:Bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch....

yeah i say the same when the wife gets on a tirade.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:It's only the Decepticons that look inhuman, which works cause they're the bad guys. Also these designs always look bad in picture form, but seeing them in action and moving is where they really come through.

Apropos of very little, it's interesting to note that the Decepticons in the Bay 2007 movie all have weirdly designed mouths. Starscream's is nearly impossible to figure out, and if Blackout's mouth isn't supposed to be a vagina dentata, I don't know what is.

HK, who's read too much Freud.

SamYarbrough77 wrote:reason #1.
the fallen is a dreamwave character. not a original classic g1 alumni
2. it seems they took the liberty of designing the characters into something that is completely unrecognizable.
3. no megatron?????
4. lets just say im hoping for a flop so they rethink the 3rd movie

1. This isn't G1.
2. Yes, they are. Just like Optimus Prime in Armada didn't look like Optimus Prime in G1, or Prowl in Animated doesn't look like Prowl in G1. its a new thing, don't judge it based on a previous series.
3. Yes Megatron. Comparing the Superbowl trailer to art released of Megatron shows multiple similarities. Also, there's a misinformation campaign.
4. If it's a flop, there won't be a third movie.

SamYarbrough77 wrote:I know if i look at rotf as maybe a lost episode of g1 I might feel better bout it.

No, that's the exact opposite of what you're supposed to do. Looking at it like it's going to be a part of an older series is only going to make you more disappointed. You're supposed to look at it the same way as RID, the Unicron Trilogy, and Animated: As a new series in it's own right, with no connections to the previous one.

hellkitty wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:It's only the Decepticons that look inhuman, which works cause they're the bad guys. Also these designs always look bad in picture form, but seeing them in action and moving is where they really come through.

Apropos of very little, it's interesting to note that the Decepticons in the Bay 2007 movie all have weirdly designed mouths. Starscream's is nearly impossible to figure out, and if Blackout's mouth isn't supposed to be a vagina dentata, I don't know what is.

HK, who's read too much Freud.

That really makes sense when you think about it: Autobots would design their faces to be more human, so it would be easier to make friends. Decepticons don't change their faces, because they just want to destroy and terrorize.

NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:wow, really? you do realize the original toys, were..toys..and the fact that they had small arms was likely more of a design constraint than on purpose.

Who knows what the original intent of the designers was? If it was a design constraint, then how come other G1 toys such as, say, Tracks and Inferno had perfectly proportioned arms whereas Scourge and Apeface did not?

NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:This is clear as later and more acurate versions of the original Transformers came out ie masterpiece and binaltech.

I don't see what your point is here. These later Transformers are all based on the 'idealised' versions of the G1 characters as seen in the comics and cartoons. They're intended as a homage to the characters as they appeared in the fiction (such as, for example, Universe Ironhide and his proper head). As such they are bound to lack the alien sensibilities of the original toys.

NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:As opposed to Bayformers, which are malporportioned on purpose

Are they really that bad? Look at the deluxe Arcee toy from the first movie line. It's an amazing design feat to have such a human silhouette transforming into a realistic-looking motorbike. Sure, Starscream had his chicken-legs and Brawl was a bit stumpy-looking, but Optimus Prime had no such faults, did he?

NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:Also, do you really think the level of disporpotion of say, six-shot, Ultra magnus, or Optimus Primal is even close to Bays Devastator or Starscream?

Well, aside from the fact that RID Ultra Magnus has enormously long legs...

I don't see how you can cite Bay for betraying the aesthetic look of the G1 line, and then use Optimus Primal as an example. The Beast Wars design ethic was the biggest single departure from the core Transformers ethos ever, and I include Bayformers in that.

In fact, your post reminds me of some of the 'Truck not Monkey' posts that were all over the 'net in the BW days. Just like you are overreacting to the Movieverse, so too did many vocal fans back in the 1990s when Beast Wars first started.

But now we look back on those days and laugh at the nay-sayers because, despite the big change, Beast Wars gave us the best Transformers TV show to date, and some of the innovations introduced at the time (increased articulation, standardised toy size/price categories) are still in use today.

NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:Leaving the brand name alone, Bays robots dont even look like robots, they look like monsters without character from a Sci-Fi channel film. And I say that in all honesty.

Well, you brought up Optimus Primal in your post as a bastion of normalcy. Did the Transmetals look like proper robots? Did the Beast Machines look like proper robots?

Note the word 'Robots' here. Not 'android' (which is a word to describe a human-shaped machine). Those big articulated arms they use in car plants - well, they are called 'Robots' too, and they clearly aren't humanoid at all. NASA use non-humanoid robots in space missions all the time. You'll find non-humanoid robots everywhere from science-labs to deep-sea missions.

Remember, Transformers are supposed to be ROBOTS in disguise, not ANDROIDS in disguise.