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Delta Magnus wrote:Sentinel Prime looks fantastic, even if he is just the obligatory Autobot pretool of Astrotrain to rake in more dough. Dat train mode...homina homina.

Well considering it was ripped right from the pages of stormbringer...

Prowl4 wrote:

Diem wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:

To be honest I don't see why sentinel and galvatron are shoehorned into being headmasters.

Because the gimmick for this particular line of toys intended for children is Headmasters, so that the kids can have fun with interchangeability and little guys with vehicles. For the kids.

Remember back when Optimus Prime never showed any inclination to force a little man into an extreme splits and shove him in his tummy? And then all of a sudden he did, and it was reflected in the fiction? Remember how Bumblebee was never gold with a blue head, until he was? The fiction has always followed the toyline, since day one. And if suddenly Galvatron is a Headmaster then suddenly a Headmaster he'll be.

And if you think an adult writing to a toy company making toys for kids asking them to change out a kid appeal feature in a childrens toyline because it has a slight deviation from your memories of 30 years ago is realistic or admirable then I don't even know where to begin. If you want this Galvatron then buy it, and live with the fact that you'll need to, gasp, remove his head to transform him. If it's enough of a turn off to you that you don't want him as he stands, get Universe, or SG, or Energon Galvatron, or wait around for an MP Galvatron. But your response here is embarrassing.

Condescending and rude response. Are you even really a transformers fan? Galvatron being a headmaster is a pure and utter joke especially with the last terrible universe attempt. Clearly you like headmasters I personally think they're stupid. This is what being a fan is about to give positivity and criticism when one feels it's needed into the toys and putting two characters into a line and defacing the characters because fiction wise Galvatron is disgusted by headmasters and sentinel prime who would be of the same opinion given his time in idw which has been a great tale wasn't a headmaster nor does it fit the character.

I like combiners but think the 84 bots likes Ironhide and Prowl being combiners is stupid and a waste personally.

I'm sure you'll respond intelligently with don't buy them but it's a slot that Hasbro could have given to make a new combiner team to add to Victorian in my opinion.

It's all about opinion and you disrespected mine so I disrespect yours.

So liking changes HasTak has made means he isn't a Transformers fan?

Prowl4 wrote:
This is what being a fan is about to give positivity and criticism when one feels it's needed into the toys and putting two characters into a line and defacing the characters because fiction wise galvatron is disgusted by headmasters and sentinel prime who would be of the same opinion given his time in idw which has been a great tale wasn't a headmaster nor does it fit the character.

Fiction-wise, Galvatron has one of the most inconsistent portrayals of any Transformer. He's crazy, except when he's calculatingly sane! He's brave, except when he starts having whimpering nightmares about Rodimus! He hates organic beings, unless one of them has a kickass giant scorpion he can ride around in! He hates Earth, except for when he wants to merge himself with it to become a giant Galvatron! He's a City Commander, determined to lead the Decepticons, except when he actually IS leader of the Decepticons! He's Megatron, except when he isn't!

Additionally, we have no idea how Titan Masters will be portrayed, fictionally-speaking. We're assuming that it works the same way as established fiction but there's nothing to say it works that way. Saying that it's out of character for a single incarnation of an inconsistent character to do an unknown thing is a little...reaching.

Stuartmaximus wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Starsaber468 wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Starsaber468 wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Well, though he looks to be a heavy Metroplex retool, I am very excited for Fort Max. Guess that's next yeas titan. Don't expect a reveal of him for a while though

I would hope it wouldn't be a remold i would hope an entirely new mold but time will show but still am i the only one still waiting for an metrotitan redeco? XD

Sabr showed off the image and the design is similar to Metroplex as are the transformation joints and separation lines. It looks like it is a very heavy retool/reshell.

Could you repost the picture?

If you look, the leg segmentation is the same, the forearms are very similar, as is the overall design like how tall the torso is, the boxy design, the chest, it all looks similar. This really looks like an extensive retool/reshell of Metroplex.

That's coz it IS a heavy retool of Generations Metroplex!

Last Thing I wanna do is say it is and then somehow it isn't so I'm saying we know it is but not really saying we know it is. It just really really looks like it

It's been mentioned a few times already stu

@prowl4 I think you are letting your distaste of the gimmick getting the best of you. You are entitled to your opinion like, and it's not a rare one but at the same time you can at least understand why people are defending the stance.

From what we know, Sentinel will be a headmaster in the comics plus we have never learned about his opinion on them since they were all dead before he was around.

I don't normally do this, as it is pointless, but I would love to get a sqawkbox and slamdance out of this line, they're just so cool, and I would like to see has/taks attempt before looking into getting the kfc versions of them.

Stuartmaximus wrote:
That's coz it IS a heavy retool of Generations Metroplex!

Yep sure is.

One neat thing we know now though that we wouldn't have perhaps known last week is that the little vehicle shown with him may be able to Transform into the other one shown nearby - which is nice to know.

It's a little curious to wonder how IDW will deal with being asked to adapt to a story principle that isn't especially compatible with their existing ones - considering Combiner Wars toyline story so far is only mildly associated with the Combiner Wars branded comics. It looks like the Machinima 'Cartoons' will derive from the toy fiction more than the IDW fiction as best as I understand their statements to date.

Also I find it a little irksome that we now have two media offering which had Windblade in them and yet she is actually pretty hard to get - the Legion isn't ideal - I thing Hasbro need to make some more of her toywise if they are going to use her so much as they seem to want to do.

Perhaps a giftset or twin pack release (at mass-market not at conventions).

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P.s. The Writers room pretty much confirmed that they are building up to Unicron in the Live Action Movies - that is why Hasbro is being reticent to discuss him - you are very likely to be getting a new Unicron in 2017 or 2018 or after depending on if they decide to string it out with the Quintessons first...

But yep Titan sized Unicron toy is "Inevitable" but it will be Movie Universe not so likely to be Prime-wars (unless it's something they think they can do with a repaint either with the Live Action Unicron or the Armada mould).

There is one other small possibility to consider and that is the animated Transformers Prequel Movie might have Unicron in it in some respect and that could be used as an excuse to make him in some way.

I'm sure there will be a large non-Transforming one soon too out of Japan in time for the Animated Movie anniversary late next year. probably from the same people who make those sort of things a few times year.

RAR wrote:

Stuartmaximus wrote:
That's coz it IS a heavy retool of Generations Metroplex!

Yep sure is.

Sure hope not, that thing had some serious structural problems.

RAR wrote:

Stuartmaximus wrote:
That's coz it IS a heavy retool of Generations Metroplex!

Yep sure is.

One neat thing we know now though that we wouldn't have perhaps known last week is that the little vehicle shown with him may be able to Transform into the other one shown nearby - which is nice to know.

It's a little curious to wonder how IDW will deal with being asked to adapt to a story principle that isn't especially compatible with their existing ones - considering Combiner Wars toyline story so far is only mildly associated with the Combiner Wars branded comics. It looks like the Machinima 'Cartoons' will derive from the toy fiction more than the IDW fiction as best as I understand their statements to date.

Also I find it a little irksome that we now have two media offering which had Windblade in them and yet she is actually pretty hard to get - the Legion isn't ideal - I thing Hasbro need to make some more of her toywise if they are going to use her so much as they seem to want to do.

Perhaps a giftset or twin pack release (at mass-market not at conventions).

Some characters may not appear at all and are just toys. For Combiner wars, Cyclonus did not participate, nor did Rodimus. Bombshell was dead and got a toy. the only reason Defensor or Optimus Maximus came were because the lost light sent a ship. For all we know, several of these are just toys and not in-fiction.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Some characters may not appear at all and are just toys. For Combiner wars, Cyclonus did not participate, nor did Rodimus. Bombshell was dead and got a toy. the only reason Defensor or Optimus Maximus came were because the lost light sent a ship. For all we know, several of these are just toys and not in-fiction.

Some characters that have toys won't be in the comics - yes that is quite likely - they have plans of things they may want to slip in that seem to fallout side the normal areas like Wheelie is due for example - I think lots of people are expecting a Kickback Legends toy too before to long - I expect that has zip to do with the status of either of those in the comics.

I've meet middle aged woman who know who Starscream is but I doubt they'd be expected to know who Sentinel is so he could do with a leg up and - I expect they will use him a lot to push him so he doesn't shelf hug by virtue of being less known.. and frankly a bit to orange and if I'm honest the train mode isn't that great either.

Machinima seems to be saying Sentinel Prime is essential to the story - I expect they want to establish him as after all even after Sentinel was in DOTM & TF Animated he's still a little "Obscure" compared to say Starscream.

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Anyway the reason I brought it up was Rodimus (for example) in toy fiction terms isn't related to the IDW Universe so they have a task on their hands to try to fit two distinct (if similar) stories together to make a new comic - they have the previous Toyline Universe that includes a different Rodimus and non-dead characters like Bombshell.

To integrate with IDW (as Machinima say they wish to do), I got the impression that it was more of an order than a gentle suggestion though..... sort of like how the Universe Brand Characters got crowbarred into some of the older comics as Hasbro told IDW they wanted them included at that time.

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From a broader perspective I'm not sure what makes more sense to leave things out that are an issue story wise (like Rodimus) to make a similar yet different sub-set Universe (like the one in the Target Exclusive Transformers Movie comics - where Jazz was not still dead). Or to get agressive with IDW and insist they rewrite all their comics to meet "Brand demands" placed on them by this campaign.


I think it would make more sense to Leave IDW to it's own devices let it play with Victorion and the odd other thing as appropriate and leave everyone else to Machinima to do their own distinct thing with.

But if Hasbro want to carry on with the pack in comics they may prefer the toyline and comic to be a bit closer - I wonder what do parents think of the comics - they are an odd thing to include in a line aimed at 8 year olds - they've already had to re-edit them many times to remove inappropriate "scary words" as they were not written for kids.

The strange thing is that IDW's RID-15 comic is plenty suitable for kids and that is the one they don't pack in with anything.

Marketing can be weird sometimes.

I'm now curious as to what was edited out...also the thing about unicron, wasn't it debunked last month?

ZeroWolf wrote:I'm now curious as to what was edited out...also the thing about unicron, wasn't it debunked last month?

Unicron is never debunked, even hasbro says so

The news stories related to the voice actor were bunkham - other stories related to the Writers room heavily hint about Quintessons, "Transformers In Space", and Unicron is implied at least to be the direction they are heading.

I wouldn't be surprised if the whole "Mechforming" Key to Vector Sigma type thing pops up too though.

The movies have a lot of house cleaning to do - heck we don't even know is Cybertron was Knocked away into the outer solarsystem, (and prime jet off there 1st to grab a ship) or if it was cut in half then flew away - or if it was vaporised.

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There was an article I was reading a month or so ago on it... It's the obvious things like 'Death' or 'damn' I think plus some simplification to language.... the Trade Paperbacks were edited too so I read in similar ways. either for clarity or to correct a mistake too.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who have the original comics, the trades and the pack-ins and can confirm this in detail.. if not I'll see if I can find the site I was reading about it on and get back to you on that.

Thanks Rar, this has got me thinking as to what the third part of prime war will be...unless its Prime Wars itself, which in turn could mean other primes heading our way

Really like that Sentinel Prime! A lot of Energon Omega Supreme in that train mode, but it's good. Spaceship mode is cool, too. I could handle a couple re-molds/-paints, too, Hasbro's done well with the CW line in that regard.

ZeroWolf wrote:Thanks Rar, this has got me thinking as to what the third part of prime war will be...unless its Prime Wars itself, which in turn could mean other primes heading our way

Well, IDW currently has two major competing religions among the Cybertronians.

There's the story of Primus and the 13 Primes that seems to be embraced by some of the colony worlds. It's heavily tied to the Aligned Continuity, but based on the flashbacks with Alpha Trion and Galvatron there are major differences from the Aligned Continuity - any of which, though, could be due to Alpha Trion being an unreliable narrator in either case, and with the Quill, a reality editor too. Anything and everything could be true, could have been true, or could never have been true.

Then there's the story of the Guiding Hand, which seems to be one of the more popular religions on Cybertron itself, and within that context, the 13 Primes are treated as semi-mythological tribal leaders or warrior kings, like Theseus and Heracles of Greek Mythology/History. In that context, the 13 Primes are respected, but not necessarily revered or liked.

Both religions are tangled with multiple different attempts to control Cybertron through gross abuse of its technological and spiritual resources, and the exploitation of its people. The Guiding Hand justifies Functionism, but the mythology of the 13 explains how it came to be, as well as how many of the 'aberrations' like combination and beast-formers came to pass.

Building on top of that powder keg is a pile of kindling - Optimus Prime is being worshipped by the Caminans, while Starscream is still believed by some to be the "Chosen One." Galvatron and Alpha Trion are each running their own agendas - Galvatron may remember the Cybertron most others have forgotten, and there's no telling what Alpha Trion's doing with the Quill and the Covenant. Meanwhile, Nexus Prime's Enigma of Combination has been hacked and its source code copied which not only, apparently, eliminates the need for the Enigma itself, it may allow access to, control over, or recreation of any of the ancient relics - perhaps even the key to creating Cybertronian life without the Matrix or Primus. A lot of things are becoming world-changing plot-devices, which challenge the tenants of some of the characters' beliefs.

So, basically, if the Titans and then the Primes start returning, I'd expect an all out religious war.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

durroth wrote:let us all be a bit sad realizing that stripes will 99% definitely also be ravage, who once again kinda loses the good updates game.

He keeps losing it (FOC, MP, Titans Return eventually) because he won it before it ever truly began:


Transformers Universe - Classics 2.0 Ravage Gallery

He only had downhill to go, and so he went.

Slippery slope. Next thing you know, he's gonna be a retool of some random guy like Breakdown or somethin strange like that

hehehehe, references

Lets be fair, Beast Wars Ravage was always pretty dumb. It's practically an improvement.

Caelus wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Thanks Rar, this has got me thinking as to what the third part of prime war will be...unless its Prime Wars itself, which in turn could mean other primes heading our way

Well, IDW currently has two major competing religions among the Cybertronians.

There's the story of Primus and the 13 Primes that seems to be embraced by some of the colony worlds. It's heavily tied to the Aligned Continuity, but based on the flashbacks with Alpha Trion and Galvatron there are major differences from the Aligned Continuity - any of which, though, could be due to Alpha Trion being an unreliable narrator in either case, and with the Quill, a reality editor too. Anything and everything could be true, could have been true, or could never have been true.

Then there's the story of the Guiding Hand, which seems to be one of the more popular religions on Cybertron itself, and within that context, the 13 Primes are treated as semi-mythological tribal leaders or warrior kings, like Theseus and Heracles of Greek Mythology/History. In that context, the 13 Primes are respected, but not necessarily revered or liked.

Both religions are tangled with multiple different attempts to control Cybertron through gross abuse of its technological and spiritual resources, and the exploitation of its people. The Guiding Hand justifies Functionism, but the mythology of the 13 explains how it came to be, as well as how many of the 'aberrations' like combination and beast-formers came to pass.

Building on top of that powder keg is a pile of kindling - Optimus Prime is being worshipped by the Caminans, while Starscream is still believed by some to be the "Chosen One." Galvatron and Alpha Trion are each running their own agendas - Galvatron may remember the Cybertron most others have forgotten, and there's no telling what Alpha Trion's doing with the Quill and the Covenant. Meanwhile, Nexus Prime's Enigma of Combination has been hacked and its source code copied which not only, apparently, eliminates the need for the Enigma itself, it may allow access to, control over, or recreation of any of the ancient relics - perhaps even the key to creating Cybertronian life without the Matrix or Primus. A lot of things are becoming world-changing plot-devices, which challenge the tenants of some of the characters' beliefs.

So, basically, if the Titans and then the Primes start returning, I'd expect an all out religious war.

I was more thinking Nova Prime or even more of the thirteen getting figures but nonetheless I thank you for that I love seeing things like this which show how far the franchise has come in terms if fiction.

RAR wrote:

Stuartmaximus wrote:
That's coz it IS a heavy retool of Generations Metroplex!

Yep sure is.

One neat thing we know now though that we wouldn't have perhaps known last week is that the little vehicle shown with him may be able to Transform into the other one shown nearby - which is nice to know.

It's a little curious to wonder how IDW will deal with being asked to adapt to a story principle that isn't especially compatible with their existing ones - considering Combiner Wars toyline story so far is only mildly associated with the Combiner Wars branded comics. It looks like the Machinima 'Cartoons' will derive from the toy fiction more than the IDW fiction as best as I understand their statements to date.

Also I find it a little irksome that we now have two media offering which had Windblade in them and yet she is actually pretty hard to get - the Legion isn't ideal - I thing Hasbro need to make some more of her toywise if they are going to use her so much as they seem to want to do.

Perhaps a giftset or twin pack release (at mass-market not at conventions).

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P.s. The Writers room pretty much confirmed that they are building up to Unicron in the Live Action Movies - that is why Hasbro is being reticent to discuss him - you are very likely to be getting a new Unicron in 2017 or 2018 or after depending on if they decide to string it out with the Quintessons first...

But yep Titan sized Unicron toy is "Inevitable" but it will be Movie Universe not so likely to be Prime-wars (unless it's something they think they can do with a repaint either with the Live Action Unicron or the Armada mould).

There is one other small possibility to consider and that is the animated Transformers Prequel Movie might have Unicron in it in some respect and that could be used as an excuse to make him in some way.

I'm sure there will be a large non-Transforming one soon too out of Japan in time for the Animated Movie anniversary late next year. probably from the same people who make those sort of things a few times year.

Any chance(if you haven't already) that you can mention that Unicron thing in the Paramount looks to expand Transformers film franchise with spin-offs and more sequels thread! coz that sounds interesting

Hellscream9999 wrote:

RAR wrote:

Stuartmaximus wrote:
That's coz it IS a heavy retool of Generations Metroplex!

Yep sure is.

Sure hope not, that thing had some serious structural problems.

Maybe they'll sort that out with this retool! kinda like they're currently doing with the CW Prime/Motormaster mold....with fixed hip joints with Battle Core Optimus & the reissue Motormaster

I've sat back, reading the news, reading posts, approving posts, and I'm finally joining the conversation.

I am unimpressed. The Titans themselves don't look like they've progressed from the 80's, I don't like Blaster as a "Titan Master" nor do I really like him being that big (and FFS, they'd better not just make Soundwave out of him, that would be INCREDIBLY lazy even with retooling) nor do I like the look of Galvatron.

But ... I'll give it a go. I don't see it being a line I'll be getting a lot of though.

Burn wrote:I've sat back, reading the news, reading posts, approving posts, and I'm finally joining the conversation.

I am unimpressed. The Titans themselves don't look like they've progressed from the 80's, I don't like Blaster as a "Titan Master" nor do I really like him being that big (and FFS, they'd better not just make Soundwave out of him, that would be INCREDIBLY lazy even with retooling) nor do I like the look of Galvatron.

But ... I'll give it a go. I don't see it being a line I'll be getting a lot of though.

Well, some people (myself included) like the cooler look of 's, so I skip most obvious pre-toolings and wait for the version.

What do you think of (soon to be) stormbringer astrotrain (I mean, Sentinel )?

Stuartmaximus wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

RAR wrote:

Stuartmaximus wrote:
That's coz it IS a heavy retool of Generations Metroplex!

Yep sure is.

Sure hope not, that thing had some serious structural problems.

Maybe they'll sort that out with this retool! kinda like they're currently doing with the CW Prime/Motormaster mold....with fixed hip joints with Battle Core Optimus & the reissue Motormaster

Well, I don't know how they'll manage that, he has no ankles, and no feet, due to transforming; Those can't be fixed, and he has tremendously long legs that impair posing and his club arms strain the shoulder joints due to weight -they're always sagging, plus, I doubt he would be that big, titans can range in height from devs 18" to metros 2'. So he doesn't have to be (nor should he be) a remold of metro, nor will he be very fulfilling if he is, due to cost constraints

That pic doesn't really look like metro, he seems to have better proportions, and giant tracks attached to his shoulder blades, so those would impede metros' transformation anyways.

Again i have a strange feeling fort will be a new mold, but I can't blame hasbro if they do just retool metro, I mean they are entitled to get their money's worth from the mould. I would of thought though that this would be a nice time to release a metrotitan repaint mind...

Allenspurs wrote: A bit like the mixing of limbs with combiner wars wave 1 and 2

IIRC, that was unintentional. Air Raid wasn't ready in time, so they had to put Drag Strip in the assortment instead.

Decepticon Sunstorm wrote:So liking changes HasTak has made means he isn't a Transformers fan?

You must be new here. Don't you know you can't be a Transformers fan without hating Transformers?

durroth wrote:Lets be fair, Beast Wars Ravage was always pretty dumb. It's practically an improvement.

No, being fair is this: the Beast Wars verison of Ravage was meant to pander to the G1 fanboys, and for its time it was fairly effective. Nowadays, however, when pandering to the G1 fanboys is the norm rather than the exception, the concept of BW Ravage is basically obsolete, or at the very least slightly superfluous.