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Ramrider wrote:

tigertracks 24 wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I would have like to know how they were planing to introduce Overloard and how PM Prime would have came to be

I did not think they were allowed to use the japanese bots yet, that it could have been in the future plans though, so I suppose it could have been him there.

Well, there were plans to include Magmatron in the then upcoming Beast Wars stuff, as I recall, and now IDW have used him and Lio Convoy, among others. I'm also pretty sure I saw Overlord in Megatron: Origin (can't remember which issue, but he's in the foreground next to Slugslinger in a crowd scene)...

I guess I didn't think of it in relation to the beastie's characters, but more for G1, but you're right.

And yes, in Origins 2, I believe Overlord is in one of the crowd background scenes for the gladitorial events. i don't really count that as it seems every possible bot that can be thought of has been thrown in there.

When Overlord has a speaking part, then I know that they have made concessions to use all the japanese characters. But your bringing up the BW guys is a great point, and the fact that in the toys we had the HOC Gigatron (Overlord--as was pointed out), and the Legends Classic Leo Prime (obviously Lio Convoy paint scheme), Big Convoy repainted as Nemesis Prime-- it would seem they are making their way onto HASBRO's radar, so I suppose it could have been?

I haven't read all the pages to this thread, but maybe they were going to have Sunstorm say "Megatron, your creator"?
It's a long shot I know, and one that would need a lot of explaining to do, but I remember when I first read the comic I thought maybe that's they were going to do.
It's too bad DW folded. For all their faults, their stuff on Unicron, The Quintessons and Sunstorm had me really intersted.

Optimus Convoy wrote:I haven't read all the pages to this thread, but maybe they were going to have Sunstorm say "Megatron, your creator"?
It's a long shot I know, and one that would need a lot of explaining to do, but I remember when I first read the comic I thought maybe that's they were going to do.
It's too bad DW folded. For all their faults, their stuff on Unicron, The Quintessons and Sunstorm had me really intersted.

I thought he was going to say God or Creator but we may never know.

I don't think either of those would have warranted a cliffhanger. It wouldn't have been all that amazing if Megatron had just ordered Starscream's construction along with the rest of the Seekers and their drones.

Tekka wrote:I don't think either of those would have warranted a cliffhanger. It wouldn't have been all that amazing if Megatron had just ordered Starscream's construction along with the rest of the Seekers and their drones.

So what do you think he was going to say?

Optimus Convoy wrote:

Tekka wrote:I don't think either of those would have warranted a cliffhanger. It wouldn't have been all that amazing if Megatron had just ordered Starscream's construction along with the rest of the Seekers and their drones.

So what do you think he was going to say?

Lover

I don't want to say father, because I just don't see it happening, ever. I really don't know.

Tekka wrote:I don't think either of those would have warranted a cliffhanger. It wouldn't have been all that amazing if Megatron had just ordered Starscream's construction along with the rest of the Seekers and their drones.

I concur. It would be a somehwat flat revelation.

That part of the Dreamwave has always really bothered me. Along with Sunstorm's rantings about Starscream being "The Chosen One", a vague reference to Megatron being something or other, Megatron's reference to the Covenant of Primus (But...Here? And he failed?!" Route of All Evil pg 21), there were 9 other clones in the lab, Jetfire stating that sunstorm isn't a random aberration; also, Prowl tells Perceptor that downloading Vector Sigma's incompatible code made Sunstorm crazy
One more thing-in Atonement, page 16 when Sunstorm picks up poor Bumblebee, he makes an creepy but intriguing reference that his purity "has been sacrificed in exchange for the dark gifts intended for my brother, thus dooming me" (dark gifts? too Lord of the Rings for me).
Did Megatron know something he kept only to himself? He goes on about finding some artifact and says to Starscream something to the effect of sorry about the beat down I gave after your blew away that council, which was actually a good thing for us but I couldn't tell you so I had to whip your behind instead (sounds like something my brother would say, not my dad-fits the Megatron/Starscream are brothers theory).
The whole premise had potential in that all of the transformers could either be fulfilling a prophecy or being manipulated by external forces or a combination of both.
Or maybe Prowl and Starscream were right-Sunstorm was insane and so is Megatron, in which case we're back at square one.
BTW, I remember one of the writers stating Jetfire was coming back.

You know, I could never figure out why some people were so resistant to new ideas and facts being presented about different characters. What if DW was try to insinuate that Megatron was Starscream's bother/Starscream's Creator/Best Friend From Way Back Then/Used to Take Ravage to Starscream Who Was a Cyber-Veterinarian? Is that so bad?

To me it just adds extra dimensions to the characters. So it changes ideas that we have always carried in our minds. That isn't a BAD thing. It lets us look at things from many different angles. It adds new depth and layers to the character.

Personally, I was wondering what Sunstrom was talking about as well. I am very upset that DW died as I would have liked to see if Sunstorm would have come back. I don't think a little case of death would stop such an awesome character. Especially if Sunstorm's spark was as immortal as the Seeker he was cloned from....

The chracters themselves never had more than a sketchy backstory in the comics or cartoon-in fact, in the cartoon, other than Megatron, Prime and Starscream, we never knew who they were (season 3 doesn't count as by then, the writers had no idea what was going on). Even those stories were minimal. In the Dreamwave comics. it was the first time they had any kind of substantive background and that's why the IDW Megatron Origins is so cool-you can see the hero worship in Starscream when he meets Megatron (as well as Frenzy and Rumble's backstory which I really liked). Ratbat as a sleazy senator was good as well; in fact, the whole fall of the Roman Empire thing was brilliant (the marvel comics were too disjointed-too many different writers-to have a cohesive backstory-but there were a few attempts that had promise, notably Furman's writings).
I read a fan fiction last month that had the best plot in a facnfic-what if Primus gave Starscream another chance at doing it all over again instead of letting him float around, never dying? That would actually make for a real great story; you could imagine how the whole thing started-unfortunately, the writer chickened out and reverted to some slashy Skyfire ending, killing it for me, but not before writing about 20 chapters, several of which were as good or better as anything I ever read in a comic.

Tramp wrote:I have the entire G1 DW run except the first mini series, and I can definately tell you that there is no relation whatsoever between Megatron and Starscream except that of leader and treacherous Leiutenant. no line is ever muttered suggesting that Stascream is Megaron's son.

I have the miniseries before that and I can confirm there's never been a line like that mentioned...

There's no direct statement about Starscream being Megatron's son but it's definitely implied there's some connection between all three (Volume 3, Original Sin)-Starscream being the only one that can open the seal because he's the only one with an "untainted portion of *his* being left...Who? Whose being?...Megatron-Your-".
Whatever that means-Dreamwave folded after that, so we'll never know. I don't care for the father/creator theory-far too "Luke, I am your father" for my taste; but something's definitely implied that may explain why he isn't immediately thrown into a smelting pit when he gets out of line.
Susinko made a great point-since Sunstorm is a clone, his spark would be immortal as well and that would have been a lot of fun.

Cyber-Kun wrote:

Tramp wrote:I have the entire G1 DW run except the first mini series, and I can definately tell you that there is no relation whatsoever between Megatron and Starscream except that of leader and treacherous Leiutenant. no line is ever muttered suggesting that Stascream is Megaron's son.

I have the miniseries before that and I can confirm there's never been a line like that mentioned...

This has already been answered and there WAS a line that suggest that they may have been some kind of relationship other then leader and follower.What the line was trying to say we dont know cause it was never finished....here are the scan from issue #5 of the DW ongoing book.



Now I'll admit he could have been saying anything from lover to best friend but it could have also led to father,brother,creater or God.We'll never know.......but the original poster wanted to know if there were and plot devices that could have led anyone to think that they were father and son........and as you can see for your self there was.

Dogbite wrote:
Susinko made a great point-since Sunstorm is a clone, his spark would be immortal as well and that would have been a lot of fun.

That depends on just what made Screamers spark immortal.I always beleaved it was the power from Galvatrons attack that did it....and that would meen that the clone doesmt have one.

At this point it means whatever you want it to mean. Dreamwave went bankrupt and unless IDW picks up the rights in liquidation proceedings and decides to keep it going, it's going remain that way.

Dogbite wrote:At this point it means whatever you want it to mean. Dreamwave went bankrupt and unless IDW picks up the rights in liquidation proceedings and decides to keep it going, it's going remain that way.

Even if IDW pick's up the rights I doubt that they'll go the same route that DW was going........since we all know the mistakes that DW did I'm sure that IDW would have learned from them.

The original poster wanted to know if there was any indication Dreamwave implied Megatron and Starscream were related. The short answer is "yes".
The long one is the one we're all debating.
As for Starscream"s aberrant spark, I remember reading in the War Within, that wacky unbinding thing where Jetfire, Grimlock and the other two (I can't remember) have some sort of spark mutation and I remember reading Starscream has it too and some others, Megatron Prime (Blitzwing?) so that could be the answer.
I could be wrong. It may have been my brother palying tricks on me.

Dogbite wrote:As for Starscream"s aberrant spark, I remember reading in the War Within, that wacky unbinding thing where Jetfire, Grimlock and the other two (I can't remember) have some sort of spark mutation and I remember reading Starscream has it too and some others, Megatron Prime (Blitzwing?) so that could be the answer.
I could be wrong. It may have been my brother palying tricks on me.

This post confused the hell out of me Can you please try it again???????

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Dogbite wrote:At this point it means whatever you want it to mean. Dreamwave went bankrupt and unless IDW picks up the rights in liquidation proceedings and decides to keep it going, it's going remain that way.

Even if IDW pick's up the rights I doubt that they'll go the same route that DW was going........since we all know the mistakes that DW did I'm sure that IDW would have learned from them.

Wouldn't be the first time someone's mucked up Transformers: remember Headmasters?

Dogbite wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Dogbite wrote:At this point it means whatever you want it to mean. Dreamwave went bankrupt and unless IDW picks up the rights in liquidation proceedings and decides to keep it going, it's going remain that way.

Even if IDW pick's up the rights I doubt that they'll go the same route that DW was going........since we all know the mistakes that DW did I'm sure that IDW would have learned from them.

Wouldn't be the first time someone's mucked up Transformers: remember Headmasters?

Comic or toon?

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Dogbite wrote:As for Starscream"s aberrant spark, I remember reading in the War Within, that wacky unbinding thing where Jetfire, Grimlock and the other two (I can't remember) have some sort of spark mutation and I remember reading Starscream has it too and some others, Megatron Prime (Blitzwing?) so that could be the answer.
I could be wrong. It may have been my brother palying tricks on me.

This post confused the hell out of me Can you please try it again???????

Half the time. nothing in Transformers makes sense. I wouldn't be able to get away with 1/15th of it in a freshman English class at a community college in Rwanda,

Dogbite wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Dogbite wrote:As for Starscream"s aberrant spark, I remember reading in the War Within, that wacky unbinding thing where Jetfire, Grimlock and the other two (I can't remember) have some sort of spark mutation and I remember reading Starscream has it too and some others, Megatron Prime (Blitzwing?) so that could be the answer.
I could be wrong. It may have been my brother palying tricks on me.

This post confused the hell out of me Can you please try it again???????

Half the time. nothing in Transformers makes sense. I wouldn't be able to get away with 1/15th of it in a freshman English class at a community college in Rwanda,

Thats funny

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Dogbite wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Dogbite wrote:At this point it means whatever you want it to mean. Dreamwave went bankrupt and unless IDW picks up the rights in liquidation proceedings and decides to keep it going, it's going remain that way.

Even if IDW pick's up the rights I doubt that they'll go the same route that DW was going........since we all know the mistakes that DW did I'm sure that IDW would have learned from them.

Wouldn't be the first time someone's mucked up Transformers: remember Headmasters?

Comic or toon?

Headmasters-Season 4 of G1-Japan only-my brother calls it Pornmasters.

Dogbite wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Dogbite wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Dogbite wrote:At this point it means whatever you want it to mean. Dreamwave went bankrupt and unless IDW picks up the rights in liquidation proceedings and decides to keep it going, it's going remain that way.

Even if IDW pick's up the rights I doubt that they'll go the same route that DW was going........since we all know the mistakes that DW did I'm sure that IDW would have learned from them.

Wouldn't be the first time someone's mucked up Transformers: remember Headmasters?

Comic or toon?

Headmasters-Season 4 of G1-Japan only-my brother calls it Pornmasters.

You really cant lump together the U.S.G1 Headmasters and the Japanese Headmasters.Its like Apple's and Orange's.The Japanese never incorperated our Headmasters into their canon.The last episode from us that they accepted was "The Return of Optimus Prime".