The Energon Pub

Well, I just didn't think it would be very easy (even if at all possible) to achieve. I just remembered someone asking earlier, but couldn't find an answer when I looked. I may just have been being blind though...

Black Guardian wrote:So as far as I'm concerned reset without resetting alts and, if you've got one you want to keep, you're just going to have to knuckle down and work at it, no matter how annoying that may be. Natch.

Which is what I've been doing. I probably have one of the rarest Decepticon alts out there--the Lego tank. And I've made the mistake of putting stats in that I don't need. Now mind you, a reset of those stats would be nice. But in doing so, I'd lose my precious alt. So...when I've finally found a configuration for said Lego Tank Brawler that is earning XP that I'm satisfied with it's disheartening to hear from the new code programmer that I have to "evolve or die" to continue to play the game.

I think that the weapons problem is completely legitimate. I just wonder if it's the right course of action to take at this moment. It seems like something that doesn't need to corrected immediately. In my opinion, it doesn't fit correctly into the sequence of events to be correct/fixed/repaired/etc. But, as I've stressed before, what do I know? I'm not a programmer, so I have no clue. This might be the easiest thing to fix within the current situation. Heck, I could be wrong and this could be the first thing to fix in order for the whole sequence to be ironed out to maximum efficiency.

I just think that there are somethings that have not been considered with this situation when it comes to "let's fix the weapons and balance them out." That's all I'm saying.

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Omega Sentinel wrote:Your concerns are a non-issue....moving on....

So, one person's opinion doesn't matter? "My" concerns are a non-issue? Well, thanks. I'm glad that because one person who's chosen to vocally disagree with you and your trigger-happy coding issues is labelled a non-issue. Heaven forbid you ever encounter some opposition that isn't just one voice. I'm certain you'll just cast them ALL off as a "non-issue."

Deadboy wrote:A lot of this spiralled from everyone having their own personal area of concern...

1. Some people don't want to lose their alts

That's certainly true; some folks have developed a liking for certain alts (like , mentioned often) waited a while for certain alts (like me with ) or want to make their character's alt accurate to what they intend (as with )

Deadboy wrote:2. Some people don't want to spend tons of energon and tons of time re-installing armor (and there is a certain segment that can't afford it, let's not forget them)

Agreed; not all of us are sitting on 2.5+ million energons.

Deadboy wrote:3. Some people don't want the alts they worked hard for and earned to be available to everyone.

I don't know about that, but personally, I do believe in making Decepticon-centric alts rare for Autobots, and vice-versa.

Deadboy wrote:No matter what OS does, SOMEONE is going to be unhappy.

True no matter where you are.

Deadboy wrote:So the best OS can do is choose the one that's going to make the most people happy, and the rest will have to suck it up and realize they're in the minority.

If the malcontent are *that* unhappy, they also have the option of leaving.

Deadboy wrote:It's an unenviable job, OS, but you've got my full support no matter what you do.

I concur, especially since you have to fill some fairly large shoes. Good luck with everything and don't let us malcontents ruin your good mood.

I wasnt trying to make the descision harder, but i did want ensure that those of us who tend to apply (possibly too much) characterisation to their minions dont feel like all their hard work becomes redundant in an instant.

Im just concerned that there is a way to prevent my TIE-fighter from becoming useless and my two Autobot brawler rammers wont die constantly for the next few months (any worse than they have been already.)


This:

Deadboy wrote:No matter what OS does, SOMEONE is going to be unhappy. So the best OS can do is choose the one that's going to make the most people happy, and the rest will have to suck it up and realize they're in the minority.

It's an unenviable job, OS, but you've got my full support no matter what you do.

I'll QFT. Well said.

Quietstorm wrote:Which is what I've been doing. I probably have one of the rarest Decepticon alts out there--the Lego tank. And I've made the mistake of putting stats in that I don't need. Now mind you, a reset of those stats would be nice. But in doing so, I'd lose my precious alt. So...when I've finally found a configuration for said Lego Tank Brawler that is earning XP that I'm satisfied with it's disheartening to hear from the new code programmer that I have to "evolve or die" to continue to play the game.

Understandably, you feel very strongly about this, which I appreciate and respect. Let's look at those concerns:

1) If the alt-mode database is opened for the duration of the weapons reset then presumably you'll be able to get your alt-mode back. I think this is essential and it seems from the flow of the discussion that this is what is going to happen. It better had. On the other hand, presumably everyone is going to be able to have access to all the alts, which kind of devalues them for people who won them as prizes. That is annoying, but can we live with it?

2) Getting rid off brawlers is annoying, but probably a fairer realisation of what combat should be like. Looking at your stats, QS, you do seem to have 2 points in skill already with which you could get a weapon, or move that to firepower and get a different one. Save up another 49kxp and you can get two points in one and one point in the other. It's annoying, but it's not impossible to rework those brawlers.

Finally, did anyone actually say "evolve or die" to you, or did you just take offence. I ask only because if they did say exactly that then they are a b****d. And I concur that OS's put-down of your concerns, though I'm hoping it was meant good-naturedly, came across as a bit harsh.

To end, change is going to happen, whether we like it or not. No one is going to agree on everything. I'm looking forward to the new weapons list getting rolled out and everyone screaming that their favourites have been removed. Nevertheless, we still get to pretend we're giant robots killing each other and I for one will put up with most things to enjoy that pleasure.

Don't get it twisted. I know that I'm not the only person playing the game. And I know that I'm not really that important. But just because I've spoken my opinion doesn't mean that I'm ungrateful or negative or against change.

Some posters seem to think that I'm anti-Omega Sentinel which I'm not. I'm not just too keen on the approach that was used when he responded to my concerns. I know that there's no way to tell someone's tone or inflection on the Internet, however the response that I got was not one of kindness regardless of how it was initially intended.

While I do think that it's very ambitious and awesome of OS to give us these updates on his setups for the game, I think that I'll retire from commenting further. I don't want my comments to discourage him from continuing to update the rest of my fellow players. That might have been the reason as to why Glyph's "Diary of a Game" never truly got off the ground. (Among other reasons, I'm sure).

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Black Guardian wrote:Finally, did anyone actually say "evolve or die" to you, or did you just take offence. I ask only because if they did say exactly that then they are a b****d. And I concur that OS's put-down of your concerns, though I'm hoping it was meant good-naturedly, came across as a bit harsh.

Again, keeping in mind that I have no clue as to his tone or inflection because it's the Internet this is the conversation that transpired on page 4 of this thread.

Omega Sentinel wrote:

QuietStorm wrote:And with their old set-up being downsized and limited to the mechanics of the new system, how then would they be able to continue on the path they're going?

They can continue on their path and get slagged or adjust and try new strategies.

To me, this sentence comes across clearly as "Evolve or die." Get Slagged or Adjust. I've simply flipped the sequence that the words come in.

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Omega Sentinel wrote:

QuietStorm wrote:Well, after I voiced my concern about it I was told, and I'm paraphrasing here, to "Evolve or Die." Why wouldn't anyone else want to voice their concern about this? I mean, that's some awesome verbage to hear from the newly appointed ruler of the H-M-Dub code. Of course, after hearing that everyone would want to share their thoughts, comments and concerns.

Word.

You asked how things were being developed and I answered and now we are discussing it. Period.

I encourage anyone else that has interpretted this thread as "evolve or die" to speak up (as I assume it is only one person at this point).

Your concerns are a non-issue....moving on....


This is a good discussion. Please continue. I'm taking notes

I agree with QS tho!!~!

I'm happy to go with the flow OS and look forward to experiementing with the changes you make as it'll refesh this gaming experience for me. Don't think I'll lose any sleep myself if I lose any alts or armour, though I understand some peoples concerns.

Ah, the joys of being Chief Programmer trying to keep everybody happy

Deadboy wrote:3. Some people don't want the alts they worked hard for and earned to be available to everyone.

This is a VERY selfish point of view. Especilly since most current rare alts will go back to being few in nuber after a few months anyway thanks to people resetting.

QS.

Life throughout eternity has been evolve or die.

If a game is in anyway changed, it will mean that you have to change with it.
If you dont, you will get slagged.

Please, please, PLEASE stop harping on about one line that OS wrote which whilst perhaps wasnt the best words ever wasalso NOT evolve or die. If you have something constructive to say, please say it, but otherwise, just stop already. I would start ignoring you too if you having a go at me like this.

Redimus wrote:

Deadboy wrote:3. Some people don't want the alts they worked hard for and earned to be available to everyone.

This is a VERY selfish point of view. Especilly since most current rare alts will go back to being few in nuber after a few months anyway thanks to people resetting.

QS.

Life throughout eternity has been evolve or die.

If a game is in anyway changed, it will mean that you have to change with it.
If you dont, you will get slagged.

Please, please, PLEASE stop harping on about one line that OS wrote which whilst perhaps wasnt the best words ever wasalso NOT evolve or die. If you have something constructive to say, please say it, but otherwise, just stop already. I would start ignoring you too if you having a go at me like this.

I think its a bad thing tho if everyone can get the alts that where prizes for old skool tournies and what not its not fair to the people who didnt reset for years on end just to keep that alt (I did this with more then a few of my alts that are now in common circulation)

I have an alt I havent reset since 2004 but I don't care if every decepticon out there were to get the same alt.
I just think it would be alot easier to let everyone have access to all alts for a couple of weeks. Eventualy when the alt rotator goes into effect people would be able to get those alts anyway.

Prowl240z wrote:

Redimus wrote:

Deadboy wrote:3. Some people don't want the alts they worked hard for and earned to be available to everyone.

This is a VERY selfish point of view. Especilly since most current rare alts will go back to being few in nuber after a few months anyway thanks to people resetting.

QS.

Life throughout eternity has been evolve or die.

If a game is in anyway changed, it will mean that you have to change with it.
If you dont, you will get slagged.

Please, please, PLEASE stop harping on about one line that OS wrote which whilst perhaps wasnt the best words ever wasalso NOT evolve or die. If you have something constructive to say, please say it, but otherwise, just stop already. I would start ignoring you too if you having a go at me like this.

I think its a bad thing tho if everyone can get the alts that where prizes for old skool tournies and what not its not fair to the people who didnt reset for years on end just to keep that alt (I did this with more then a few of my alts that are now in common circulation)

For alts that are prizes for an entire faction or what not (i have a few from the xmas tournie) I dont see the problem. Is there a list of the totally unique alts like windy's dragon(s)? Maybe if the uber rare ones are kept out of the free for all, would that make people happier?

Again personally I couldnt care less if there wasnt a single rare alt on the game. All I wever want alt wise the the alt that most suits my charecter, commen as much or rarer than a woman's testicals, I dont care.

QuietStorm wrote:I think that the weapons problem is completely legitimate. I just wonder if it's the right course of action to take at this moment. It seems like something that doesn't need to corrected immediately.

I think perhaps this is an inaccurate perception on your part QS. The weapons issue is currently a HUGE issue for those below us on the experience/level roster, and of course, they comprise the minority.

They just can't stand up to people who've managed to get Dols or BBs as they don't have the xp to use the nuke knuckles effectively, and even if they get their hands on the coveted weapons, their configuration is virtually dictated by the necessity maximize their effectiveness.

I think this is taking a huge part of the fun out of the game for the lower levels.

At a higher level, I'd rather see the alt rotator work, but I know I'm in the minority and ultimately the AR is just an entertaining diversion compared to the weapons issue. Also this so called 'evolve or die' situation doesn't particularly ruffle my feathers as that was, for a long time, a rolling trend in HMW. SARS, RMFs, BM, and Iron Armor used to be the $#!7, and then they were nerfed and Dols and BBs became the quality merchandise. Most eventually adapted though, which is what will happen this time.





I will point out that whatever happens, we'll have to go through it all again when armor is fixed.* I think in the ideal situation we'd see the armor and weapons fixed simultaneously, and all alts made available for one month, with the rotator kicking in after that (or just set the game so that we can reset our stats without resetting our alt).

Special alts could be dealt with on an individual basis, as that really only effects a small number of players (who've really already had their precious prizes for a loooong time so they should probably just be happy).

No stat reset should be required, but players would have their armor stripped and be compensated monetarily for it, same as weapons. I would guess this is necessary from the programming stand point. I'm sure a few would complain about the install-time issue, but having the armor fixed might make it more worthwhile to them.

A month should be long enough for people to finalize their new builds. Worst case scenario is the game crashes, of course.

If we're just looking at a weapons change though, I think automatically resetting the stats and stripping off the armor is a bad idea, as many will probably just restore their original stat layout until, as I said before, it is proven ineffective and they themselves can see why. Then, if they want to reset their bots, they can themselves weigh that against the strength of their inhibitions not to.

Personally, I guess I don't really care so long as I don't lose Cruellock's alt mode (Windy's dragon). Heck, I was planning on retiring a few bots in a couple of weeks anyway.


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* By fixed, I mean the special properties the armor was supposed to have would finally be programmed/activated.

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Edit: QS, please knock off the wounded drama queen act. OS stuck his foot in his mouth as we're all inclined to do. Don't use that to turn this discussion into a net-soap. I don't want to see Burn get amnesia and discover he has an illegitimate child by Whisper.

Redimus wrote:QS.

Life throughout eternity has been evolve or die.

If a game is in anyway changed, it will mean that you have to change with it.
If you dont, you will get slagged.

Please, please, PLEASE stop harping on about one line that OS wrote which whilst perhaps wasnt the best words ever wasalso NOT evolve or die. If you have something constructive to say, please say it, but otherwise, just stop already. I would start ignoring you too if you having a go at me like this.[/color]

Well, I was done with this discussion, but seeings as I respect and like Redimus, I figured I'd warrant him with a response.

I'm fully aware of the fact that life is filled with "Evolve or Die." Fully aware, friend. The bottom line of this situation really revolves around how Omega Sentinel approached my concern. At least to me, it does. His response, again mind you I'm unaware of tone or inflection, was rude and generally harsh. He then followed this up as the discussion progressed with "my concern is a non-issue" considering that I was but one person with said concern. I'm not. Psychout has stated that he has the Tie Fighter that he's concerned with. Thunderscream has stated that he's concerned with they Wyvern (I think that's what it is) alt mode. My concern is a non-issue? Funny, but again, the main focus is how the new crowned king of H-M-Dub code handled the concerns of a few and his approach to it.

As far as I'm concerned, my role in this discussion has been abolished. I'm done. Omega Sentinel has stated that "my" lone concern is of no concern, so what good does it do me to continue discussion? And Red I'm sorry if my actions and responses have embarassed you.

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Caelus wrote:If we're just looking at a weapons change though, I think automatically resetting the stats and stripping off the armor is a bad idea, as many will probably just restore their original stat layout until, as I said before, it is proven ineffective and they themselves can see why. Then, if they want to reset their bots, they can themselves weigh that against the strength of their inhibitions not to.

If all alt modes are made available for a month, say, to allow people to find their feet then people can hopefully work out their issues and find a good setting without losing their alts.

However, I certainly agree that the one problem with resetting stats and alts modes is that those higher level players who are not sat on loads of energon will find it very difficult to replace their armour.

Unless the weapons can be reset by some other means, this, it seems to me, is the one problem that this discussion has yet to find an answer to.

ok my turn to ask something after reading all of that it sounds realy, realy... realyrealyrealy good BUT I want to know aside the fact that brawlers will be "downsized" (or did I get that wrong?) uhm will missions have surtan requierments (sp) like 4 speed for eg.? that was the way it used to be and I think it was fun..... me thinks that is all for now




..... to be continued....

and this is why the English language should be left to the experts...
like guns....
sheesh...
concern=worry.

Maybe thr reason that the problems are of no concern is that they're nothing to worry about.

maybe...
just maybe...
he meant that things that you worry might go wrong won't go wrong...

or that sort of thing.

I really doubt that he'd mean "you're not important."
I think what he meant was "your concerns have been noted, but everythings gonna be cool."



one time I typed to a friend, "alright but its gonna cost," he though I mean't that I would punish him, I meant that the resulting situation would punish me. It was weeks before that cooled down, and it's still an issue.

sheesh I hate the internet sometimes.

Edgecrusher wrote:ok my turn to ask something after reading all of that it sounds realy, realy... realyrealyrealy good BUT I want to know aside the fact that brawlers will be "downsized" (or did I get that wrong?) uhm will missions have surtan requierments (sp) like 4 speed for eg.? that was the way it used to be and I think it was fun..... me thinks that is all for now




..... to be continued....

No idea about the future, but it wont be happening as part of the weapons changes.

QuietStorm wrote:He then followed this up as the discussion progressed with "my concern is a non-issue" considering that I was but one person with said concern.

The "concern" I was referring to was your accusing me of having an "evolve or die" mentality. That IS a non-issue.

Everyone needs to understand these things about me since we are in a time of transition:

1. I am going to be VERY straightforward and honest with all of you.

2. You ask me a question I am giving you a straight answer. There are going to be no more riddles about this game's future.

3. Those of you who get your feelings hurt very easily need to understand I am not going to beat around the bush with anyone. You are playing a game and the game is my number one priority. Getting it moving forward is why I'm here.

4. ANY of you are free to offer any input you want to and I am seriously taking it all to heart.

5. Try to have fun! I have only heard a few people say they are actually excited about this game getting upgraded. That Boggles my mind considering the things I'm addressing have actually been BROKEN for 3 years.

Anyway...

This thread is about discussing how we are going to handle the weapons rollout. If it continues along the lines of "OS said this or that" instead of "this is what I want to see", I'm going to lock this thread and we can start over again.

Edgecrusher wrote:ok my turn to ask something after reading all of that it sounds realy, realy... realyrealyrealy good BUT I want to know aside the fact that brawlers will be "downsized" (or did I get that wrong?) uhm will missions have surtan requierments (sp) like 4 speed for eg.? that was the way it used to be and I think it was fun..... me thinks that is all for now

That wasn't the plan, but we may need to adjust some mission details once we start playing with this.

A bare handed level 3 is definitely not going to stand much of a chance against an armed level 5 anymore.

Alright, just clarifying one LAST FREAKING TIME!

It's not about my feelings being hurt. I'm so SICK AND TIRED of that mentality here. The bottom line is that someone has been promoted, and just because they're in charge DOES NOT give them the right to be a flat out D*CK because someone mentioned something that was against their grand scheme of things.

If you turkeys wanna say that it's QS being a dramaqueen or whatever, that's fine. You're gonna call it how you see it. But it's not about my feelings being hurt. It's about how the RULER of H-M-Dub Code responded to a disagreement with his Master Plan. Which was highly inappropriate. To all that've commented about me and my actions--thanks and let's look in the mirror next time.

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