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I can’t tell if this is legit…
Looks like it could be real, but we’ll see.

I don't think it is. The smaller pics on the left corner would be on the back.

Though I was initially very reluctant I can't deny he looks fantastic! I went ahead and preordered him just in case.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:So, it's a lose-lose situation when trying to make a toy of him: Either his vehicle mode ends up being too small in order to make his robot mode the right size, or his robot mode ends up being gargantuan (just like his original G1 toy) in order to make his vehicle mode big enough to accommodate Deluxe class Autobot Cars.

About making an SS86 Astrotrain that can change into a vehicle of the right size?
So that his... transport functions are movie accurate?

So you want a toy that can Transform into a bot the equivalent size of Megatron, but can form a space shuttle big enough for SS86 Devastator to fit in it as well as almost the entire Decepticon cast? Yeah...laws of physics called...quoting Scotty...

Hell yeah!

And to complete the set, a Megatron that is the normal size in bot mode, but he can transform into a gun that can be held normally by other Generations figure.

So, how to make such robots happen in real life?
Easy:

The only thing you really needed to say is "I ain't gotta explain $hit"
You owe no one any explanation on something you like no matter what it is.

Till-all-R1 wrote:Though I was initially very reluctant I can't deny he looks fantastic! I went ahead and preordered him just in case.

I almost said this is the 'right' call, but I'll switch that to this was a good call...
Rumor is that plenty of these have been made knowing it's going to sell, but I wouldn't risk missing out on this one.
I'm betting this will get released as a couple different repainted exclusives before it's just straight-up repacked (if ever).
Even though it's Optimus Prime, repacking a $90 figure down the road instead of releasing a new one of a different character seems like a very questionable business decision.
I'd also bet that this figure is going to be heavily scalped, and lots of these could end up stuck on the aftermarket.

Sowndwave76 wrote:I'd also bet that this figure is going to be heavily scalped, and lots of these could end up stuck on the aftermarket.

Hope people don't fall for buying them, Hasbro is going to be pumping this out regularly for the next 3 to 5 years and sporadically for the next 7 to 10. Anyone that wants one will have several opportunities to get one. Wouldn't surprise me if we see a second run of pre-orders within the next month.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:I'd also bet that this figure is going to be heavily scalped, and lots of these could end up stuck on the aftermarket.

Hope people don't fall for buying them, Hasbro is going to be pumping this out regularly for the next 3 to 5 years and sporadically for the next 7 to 10. Anyone that wants one will have several opportunities to get one. Wouldn't surprise me if we see a second run of pre-orders within the next month.

Emerje

It is guaranteed that this SS86 Optimus will be even overproduced.

Now, let's hope distribution is logical and 90% of the production don't end up in a single store for reasons.

Pre-ordered two of them in-store at Gamestop. Says it's unavailable online but they are still taking open orders in-store as usual.

https://www.gamestop.ca/Toys-Collectibles/Games/924348

I know it's not cartoon accurate but I wish it had the grey stripe around the cab and the grey leg vents, I just think it looks better that way. I wonder what the odds are of getting a toy accurate redeco later?

Omegatron. wrote:I know it's not cartoon accurate but I wish it had the grey stripe around the cab and the grey leg vents, I just think it looks better that way. I wonder what the odds are of getting a toy accurate redeco later?

1000% chance

Emerje wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:I'd also bet that this figure is going to be heavily scalped, and lots of these could end up stuck on the aftermarket.

Hope people don't fall for buying them, Hasbro is going to be pumping this out regularly for the next 3 to 5 years and sporadically for the next 7 to 10. Anyone that wants one will have several opportunities to get one. Wouldn't surprise me if we see a second run of pre-orders within the next month.

Emerje

Is releasing this every year for the next 3-5 years official word?
How do you know this?
I’m not doubting this could see a repack/rerelease, but as others have already mentioned, I’d think it would get repainted releases for a toy version, SG, Nemesis, and possibly a “dead” version sans trailer before this original was put out again…
Especially like I said because it’s a $90 figure. It would be one thing if this had a standard production run and the number of copies made was somewhat limited relative to the popularity of this character.
But if Hastak makes a ton available for this first run, I really could see its next releases being repaints.

ScottyP wrote:

Omegatron. wrote:I know it's not cartoon accurate but I wish it had the grey stripe around the cab and the grey leg vents, I just think it looks better that way. I wonder what the odds are of getting a toy accurate redeco later?

1000% chance

Plus, for those who don't wa t to wait, Toyhax will have your back soon enough.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Plus, for those who don't wa t to wait, Toyhax will have your back soon enough.

I'm also counting on a 3P/4P "rocket pack" that's a thin piece of plastic that will clip over or into the existing backpack, which will be "L" shaped with the two gray/silver dome/bell rocket exhausts on the underside. Since this figure doesn't have any major hollow gaps to fill (minus screw holes), I could also see getting a thin piece that just cleans-up the look of the backpack in general. From what I can see these original hands look great, but I wouldn't doubt getting some little random blaster so Roller can be armed with his own weapon without having to borrow Prime's. Who knows, maybe even attachments that are tools/repair equipment.

I'm predicting that the first repaint is a Nemesis version; I'll never spend another $90 on a toy version since that's going to look very similar in the grand scheme of repaint options. I'll be much more likely to go for a Nemesis or SG variant.
It will also be interesting to see if they release any version sans trailer that includes all of the main accessories, at a lower cost.
I mean that trailer is big... Even stood-up as the repair bay that's 7" wide and close to 10" tall. Although neither mode will be super easy to display.
Some collectors probably scoff at prices, but there have to be more people than not who will only end up with 1, maybe 2 versions of this figure, whether it's a full $90+ package or not.

I know myself and I'd be a sucker for a Nemesis SS86 Optimus.
Especially if there's dome differences in accessories.

Sowndwave76 wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:I'd also bet that this figure is going to be heavily scalped, and lots of these could end up stuck on the aftermarket.

Hope people don't fall for buying them, Hasbro is going to be pumping this out regularly for the next 3 to 5 years and sporadically for the next 7 to 10. Anyone that wants one will have several opportunities to get one. Wouldn't surprise me if we see a second run of pre-orders within the next month.

Emerje

Is releasing this every year for the next 3-5 years official word?
How do you know this?
I’m not doubting this could see a repack/rerelease, but as others have already mentioned, I’d think it would get repainted releases for a toy version, SG, Nemesis, and possibly a “dead” version sans trailer before this original was put out again…
Especially like I said because it’s a $90 figure. It would be one thing if this had a standard production run and the number of copies made was somewhat limited relative to the popularity of this character.
But if Hastak makes a ton available for this first run, I really could see its next releases being repaints.

Really don't have to look much further than Siege Jetfire from 2019 getting reissued year after year for proof. This is Optimus Prime, it's completely unthinkable that they aren't going to milk his regular release for years to come. Wouldn't surprise me if Rodimus Prime got a new run soon, too.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:I'd also bet that this figure is going to be heavily scalped, and lots of these could end up stuck on the aftermarket.

Hope people don't fall for buying them, Hasbro is going to be pumping this out regularly for the next 3 to 5 years and sporadically for the next 7 to 10. Anyone that wants one will have several opportunities to get one. Wouldn't surprise me if we see a second run of pre-orders within the next month.

Emerje

Is releasing this every year for the next 3-5 years official word?
How do you know this?
I’m not doubting this could see a repack/rerelease, but as others have already mentioned, I’d think it would get repainted releases for a toy version, SG, Nemesis, and possibly a “dead” version sans trailer before this original was put out again…
Especially like I said because it’s a $90 figure. It would be one thing if this had a standard production run and the number of copies made was somewhat limited relative to the popularity of this character.
But if Hastak makes a ton available for this first run, I really could see its next releases being repaints.

Really don't have to look much further than Siege Jetfire from 2019 getting reissued year after year for proof. This is Optimus Prime, it's completely unthinkable that they aren't going to milk his regular release for years to come. Wouldn't surprise me if Rodimus Prime got a new run soon, too.

Emerje

I’d imagine a rerelease of Rodimus closer to his colors in the movie

We'll see, higher ups seemed against that in general, at least with SS Hot Rod, maybe they've changed their stance since the G1 Retro reissue.

By the way, US Gamestop.com is now taking orders for SS CC OP.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:We'll see, higher ups seemed against that in general, at least with SS Hot Rod, maybe they've changed their stance since the G1 Retro reissue.

By the way, US Gamestop.com is now taking orders for SS CC OP.

Emerje

If I remember, Rodimus Prime is the worst selling Commander. Some stores still have a good inventory of him. A reissue is unlikely, especially in short term.

Just got notice overnight Swoop is preparing to ship from Pulse

-Kanrabat- wrote:If I remember, Rodimus Prime is the worst selling Commander. Some stores still have a good inventory of him. A reissue is unlikely, especially in short term.

Really?!? That blows my mind! I'm not overly fond of Rodimus Prime as a character but that toy is outright superb!

~ Grim

Big Grim wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:If I remember, Rodimus Prime is the worst selling Commander. Some stores still have a good inventory of him. A reissue is unlikely, especially in short term.

Really?!? That blows my mind! I'm not overly fond of Rodimus Prime as a character but that toy is outright superb!

~ Grim

Indeed it is.
But at least up north, Rodimus is like Cybertron Metroplex. A hard sell even on clearance for a long time.

All of them other commanders seems to sell out fast.
The record holder is Ultra Magnus. It never got the chance to even go on sale.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Emerje wrote:We'll see, higher ups seemed against that in general, at least with SS Hot Rod, maybe they've changed their stance since the G1 Retro reissue.

By the way, US Gamestop.com is now taking orders for SS CC OP.

Emerje

If I remember, Rodimus Prime is the worst selling Commander. Some stores still have a good inventory of him. A reissue is unlikely, especially in short term.

Do they? I'm not seeing him at the big stores like BBTS, EE, TFSource and Pulse or Amazon, the kinds of places they would want him to be available at for an anniversary, especially to go with Prime. And the eBay prices aren't great, most new ones sell above MSRP, rarely do new ones sell below that.

Emerje

Big Grim wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:If I remember, Rodimus Prime is the worst selling Commander. Some stores still have a good inventory of him. A reissue is unlikely, especially in short term.

Really?!? That blows my mind! I'm not overly fond of Rodimus Prime as a character but that toy is outright superb

The Rodimus figure itself is pretty good. The subpar trailer makes the whole package a hard sell. Should've been sold as a leader instead of a commander. I might've paid $60 for it, but definitely not $90.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Big Grim wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:If I remember, Rodimus Prime is the worst selling Commander. Some stores still have a good inventory of him. A reissue is unlikely, especially in short term.

Really?!? That blows my mind! I'm not overly fond of Rodimus Prime as a character but that toy is outright superb

The Rodimus figure itself is pretty good. The subpar trailer makes the whole package a hard sell. Should've been sold as a leader instead of a commander. I might've paid $60 for it, but definitely not $90.

How would you have liked the trailer to have been better?

Emerje wrote:Really don't have to look much further than Siege Jetfire from 2019 getting reissued year after year for proof. This is Optimus Prime, it's completely unthinkable that they aren't going to milk his regular release for years to come. Wouldn't surprise me if Rodimus Prime got a new run soon, too.

Emerje

SG Jetfire was released before the original was reissued. Which has been twice. I’m assuming the re-release in ‘22 was at least partly a result of the pandemic. This is also a figure mold that doesn’t exactly have a ton of reuses.
I’m not doubting this OP will get a reissue at some point, which I’ve already said. But if the word is true that this has been over-produced to help ensure more people can get a copy, I’m betting we’ll see a repaint first. Unless this is scalped so badly that it’s difficult for a lot of people to buy, I don’t think a reissue will happen until at least ‘26. On top of this being $90, this mold has at least three legitimate repaint options.

Siege Jetfire has been reissued every 2-3 yrs…. I expect this OP to follow that.