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T-Macksimus wrote: I can't tell you why exactly they both had the drivers in the '86 movie (probably just because it is a cool looking feature and you can't decently draw or animate what Frenzy does) but the red one was still Frenzy
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:T-Macksimus wrote: I can't tell you why exactly they both had the drivers in the '86 movie (probably just because it is a cool looking feature and you can't decently draw or animate what Frenzy does) but the red one was still Frenzy
I do believe that Frenzy had pile drivers on at least one other occasion besides the 86 film.
People wrote:zombybunnie: N_V scares me...I no longer wish that my pants transformed
Burn:Anyone notice how much of a boring party pooper N_V is? He doesn't join in the fun, he's spent the last few years with dodgy builds feeding XP to the Autobots, and he sure as heck doesn't spam.
disruptor96: I forgot how insane you were.
Counterpunch wrote:
Oh well, I'm off to the bbs to play LotRD.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah...just like who became Cyclonus and Scourge in the 86 movie...
Rial Vestro wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah...just like who became Cyclonus and Scourge in the 86 movie...
You know there's a verry easy answer to that. Watch the movie and pause it while the upgrades are happening. Allso if you pay close attention to their designs...
Scourge has this odd little "horn" type dealy on his head that kind of plays homage to Bombshell's horn on his head. The two are the same guy.
Cyclonus on the other hand transforms into what looks like a futureistic seeker. This is because Cyclonus is Skywarp... or Thundercracker...
Now there's the real debate, Did Skywarp or Thundercracker get turned into Cyclonus?
People wrote:zombybunnie: N_V scares me...I no longer wish that my pants transformed
Burn:Anyone notice how much of a boring party pooper N_V is? He doesn't join in the fun, he's spent the last few years with dodgy builds feeding XP to the Autobots, and he sure as heck doesn't spam.
disruptor96: I forgot how insane you were.
Rial Vestro wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah...just like who became Cyclonus and Scourge in the 86 movie...
You know there's a verry easy answer to that. Watch the movie and pause it while the upgrades are happening. Allso if you pay close attention to their designs...
Scourge has this odd little "horn" type dealy on his head that kind of plays homage to Bombshell's horn on his head. The two are the same guy.
Cyclonus on the other hand transforms into what looks like a futureistic seeker. This is because Cyclonus is Skywarp... or Thundercracker...
Now there's the real debate, Did Skywarp or Thundercracker get turned into Cyclonus?
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Name_Violation wrote:but the tf's who become cyclonus and scourge reappear later on. wtf
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Rial Vestro wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah...just like who became Cyclonus and Scourge in the 86 movie...
You know there's a verry easy answer to that. Watch the movie and pause it while the upgrades are happening. Allso if you pay close attention to their designs...
Scourge has this odd little "horn" type dealy on his head that kind of plays homage to Bombshell's horn on his head. The two are the same guy.
Cyclonus on the other hand transforms into what looks like a futureistic seeker. This is because Cyclonus is Skywarp... or Thundercracker...
Now there's the real debate, Did Skywarp or Thundercracker get turned into Cyclonus?
Wow..........almost everything you said here was wrong.
"EDIT" I had a whole response here but I removed it because after reading it it seemed rude......and that wasnt my intent.
But suffice is to say you got all your facts wrong.
T-Macksimus wrote:Have to agree with Delicon that the original writers/animators could have cared less who got colored what so long as the toys sold. He's also correct in that there is no Thundercraker/Skywarp debate as far as who became who. Delicon had them pegged correctly. And I would like to thank all of you who screwed with my impulse control issues and forced me to watch that whole scene again, in slow-mo no less, just to have my own conclusive, indisputable answers. So don't take it the wrong way, I mean this in the spirit of friendship and brotherhood...you guys suck! Thats 5 minutes of my life I won't get back, darn it.![]()
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(Yeah, I actually did enjoy it. There, I said it now leave me alone...)
People wrote:zombybunnie: N_V scares me...I no longer wish that my pants transformed
Burn:Anyone notice how much of a boring party pooper N_V is? He doesn't join in the fun, he's spent the last few years with dodgy builds feeding XP to the Autobots, and he sure as heck doesn't spam.
disruptor96: I forgot how insane you were.
Rial Vestro wrote:Wrong you say?
Rial Vestro wrote:Lets break it down and see.
Rial Vestro wrote:
1. "You know there's a verry easy answer to that. Watch the movie and pause it while the upgrades are happening."
Rial Vestro wrote:Sence the question was who became who that is actully a verry answer to the question. Anyone seen in the forground of the scene is automatically the main character (Scourge and Cyclonus) while the characters seen in the backround are minions.
Rial Vestro wrote: (Sweeps and Armada) Now you're claiming this is wrong which to me translates as "it's not possible to pause a movie." sence that's really the only fact that was said in this statement.
Rial Vestro wrote:
2. "Allso if you pay close attention to their designs...
Scourge has this odd little "horn" type dealy on his head that kind of plays homage to Bombshell's horn on his head. The two are the same guy."
Well here's a picture of them.
Kinda looks like they both have a weird horn type dealy to me. Granted Scourge's is shorter, fatter, and doesn't have the bettle shape that Bombshell's does but hey he's not a bettle any more. Never said they both exactly the same just that him even haveing that feature seemed to be reminisent of his previous form. So you're basically saying that either Bombshell, Scourge, or both of them don't have thoughs weird "horn" type dealys on their heads but hey I have pictures showing they do.
Rial Vestro wrote:
3. "Cyclonus on the other hand transforms into what looks like a futureistic seeker. This is because Cyclonus is Skywarp... or Thundercracker...
Now there's the real debate, Did Skywarp or Thundercracker get turned into Cyclonus?"
And yet again I have pictures.
Sure looks like a jet to me.
[/quote]Rial Vestro wrote:
At any rate the only fact mentioned her yet again is that Cyclonus transforms into what looks like a futuristic seeker which he does as the pictures show.
So there you have 3 facts, all of which are actully correct.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
T-Macksimus wrote:...and THAT, ladies and gentlemen is why I made the comment that appears at the bottom of sto_vo-kor's sig. line.
The guy does his research, twice, beofre making an informed comment and verifies input that's coming in to him as well.
He's generally patient and will give you the benefit of the doubt most times but where hard evidence is concerned, I don't mess with him. I did actually do all the same checking that he did, wrote brief notes about character placement on screen (couldn't have the electornics ALL on at the same time as the fans for long) and...same conclusions.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Althou I personally agree you are incorrect for saying that the characters in the foreground are automatically the main character.
Rial Vestro wrote:3. "Cyclonus on the other hand transforms into what looks like a futureistic seeker. This is because Cyclonus is Skywarp... or Thundercracker...
Now there's the real debate, Did Skywarp or Thundercracker get turned into Cyclonus?"
And yet again I have pictures.
Sure looks like a jet to me.
TOTAL FAIL
FIRST..... your contradicting yourself.
Above you said that "Anyone seen in the forground of the scene is automatically the main character while the characters seen in the backround are minions".
But if thats true neither Thundercracker or Skywarp could have been upgraded to Cyclonus because the seeker seen in the shot was in the background.
Furthermore There were 2 characters that were upgrades to the "Cyclonus design".
1 Insecticon and 1 Seeker.
The Seeker was mostly black so it was either Skywarp or a generic black seeker.
The other was Bombshell.
Now here's the real debate.........
When the announcer speaks the names of Cyclonus and Scourge which ones on screen was he talking about???
The most logical answer would be that the ones that appeared in the foreground were ment to be Cyclonus and Scourge.
And if thats the case
Bombshell = Cyclonus
Thundercracker = Scourge
And other debate is wether the Inscecticons werent clones.
Rial Vestro wrote:At any rate the only fact mentioned her yet again is that Cyclonus transforms into what looks like a futuristic seeker which he does as the pictures show.
So there you have 3 facts, all of which are actully correct.
Rial Vestro wrote:How so?
Rial Vestro wrote: When have you ever seen a play where the spot lights were on the choris while the main characters are left to singe under the stage lights.
The spot light or main focus (forground characters) are allways reserved for the main cast not nameless backround characters.
Rial Vestro wrote:
OK something's a miss here. I think I understand how this whole debate stated now.
Rial Vestro wrote: Given that if that's true the who is who thing does seem to be a bit backwards.
Rial Vestro wrote:
You do have to admit that there are design aspects of the characters that would sugest the oppisite of what the dialog would sugest.
Rial Vestro wrote:Allso given that the Sweeps look like Scourge and their ability to clone themselfs would sugest that their leader is creating them as part of his former Insecticon ability.
Rial Vestro wrote:
If you need me I'll be in my corner with a bottle of asprin.
Rial Vestro wrote:
Technically I still wasn't wrong.
Rial Vestro wrote: The information itself is contridicting
Rial Vestro wrote: but everything I said was still fact.
Rial Vestro wrote:
1. Forground characters are allways main cast.
Rial Vestro wrote: Given my job and lifetime exsperince studieing this I can in fact tell you that no one is ever going to shove a main character into the backround.
Rial Vestro wrote:
2. I pointed out that there are in fact some verry simular design aspects between the characters witch even though my reasoning for pointing them out was missguided you can't deny that they do share simular designs.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
primusprime22 wrote:alright, this is the new (I don't think it is the first) Rumble is red, Frenzy is blue thread. or Rumble is blue, Frenzy is red. whatever. just... don't break any rule, alright?
I personally think Rumble is red, Frenzy is blue.
the debate over something that is not important, begins!
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Reserach buddy.....try it.
Flare wrote: But remember that the cartoon was created for Hasbro to sell their toy line. And in the 84' toy line, the blue one was originally Frenzy and the Red one was Rumble. The cartoon switched the names.
Or the names were switched when the toys were being re-boxed and shipped out of Japan.
Flare wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Reserach buddy.....try it.Don't mess with sto_vo_kor_2000!
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
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