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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Rial Vestro wrote:OK something's a miss here. I think I understand how this whole debate stated now.
So do I.
You never do your research.
Rial Vestro wrote:You do have to admit that there are design aspects of the characters that would sugest the oppisite of what the dialog would sugest.
No I dont.
And heres why............Its an established fact that the production script had no mention of which decepticon characters were intended to be killed off.
So I repeat......no one knew which decepticon characters were going to die.
And the character/toy models were already on the drawing board, and the toys in production, long before the script was finalized.As a matter of fact a full year before.
So that means the design aspects of Scourge and Cyclonus were already created before the script for the film was created so theres no way that they were inspired by Bombshell and a seeker.
Rial Vestro wrote:Allso given that the Sweeps look like Scourge and their ability to clone themselfs would sugest that their leader is creating them as part of his former Insecticon ability.
And thats an other "fan misconception"
It was never, I repeat "NEVER" said that the sweeps could clone them selfs.
Thats something the fans came up with to explain why there were so many of them.
Reserach buddy.....try it.
Rial Vestro wrote: but everything I said was still fact.
no none of it was a "FACT".
Rial Vestro wrote:1. Forground characters are allways main cast.
That is not a provable fact.
Rial Vestro wrote: Given my job and lifetime exsperince studieing this I can in fact tell you that no one is ever going to shove a main character into the backround.
Your experience does not speak to this case.
Rial Vestro wrote:2. I pointed out that there are in fact some verry simular design aspects between the characters witch even though my reasoning for pointing them out was missguided you can't deny that they do share simular designs.
Sure I can.
Burn wrote:So how about those Frenzy and Rumble characters. Funny guys weren't they? We should totally talk about them considering the thread is titled about them!
Rial Vestro wrote:Main characters are never, I repeat NEVER shoved into the backround. FACT. Only Micheal Bay is stupid enough to break this rule.
Rial Vestro wrote:3. "Cyclonus on the other hand transforms into what looks like a futureistic seeker. This is because Cyclonus is Skywarp... or Thundercracker...
Now there's the real debate, Did Skywarp or Thundercracker get turned into Cyclonus?"
And yet again I have pictures.
Sure looks like a jet to me.
Rial Vestro wrote:Scourge has this odd little "horn" type dealy on his head that kind of plays homage to Bombshell's horn on his head. The two are the same guy."
Rial Vestro wrote:Rial Vestro wrote:Allso given that the Sweeps look like Scourge and their ability to clone themselfs would sugest that their leader is creating them as part of his former Insecticon ability.
And thats an other "fan misconception"
It was never, I repeat "NEVER" said that the sweeps could clone them selfs.
Thats something the fans came up with to explain why there were so many of them.
Reserach buddy.....try it.
People wrote:zombybunnie: N_V scares me...I no longer wish that my pants transformed
Burn:Anyone notice how much of a boring party pooper N_V is? He doesn't join in the fun, he's spent the last few years with dodgy builds feeding XP to the Autobots, and he sure as heck doesn't spam.
disruptor96: I forgot how insane you were.
typh0id wrote:I'm going to go ahead and just ignore the fact that you immediately contradicted youself by saying "never" twice and then saying "Michael Bay did it"...But aside from that, how can you possibly know that NOONE in the history of play, television, and cinema, has ever put a main character in the background...?
Rial Vestro wrote:1. You have appearently not read through much of this disscussion or you'd realize you just brought up alot of the same things I've allready replyed to Sto about so repling to you would be rather pointless when I've allready said the same things to him.
Rial Vestro wrote:2. Weather or not you have actully read through the topic your post reads like your not even trying to have any kind of real discussion but insted posted it just to be insulting to me. Sto's earlier post allthough he pointed out alot of the same things you did, he did it without being insulting. The biggest insult...typh0id wrote:I'm going to go ahead and just ignore the fact that you immediately contradicted youself by saying "never" twice and then saying "Michael Bay did it"...But aside from that, how can you possibly know that NOONE in the history of play, television, and cinema, has ever put a main character in the background...?
To answer the question, I put in bold. I have spent basically my entire life learning everything I can about movies. I work in theater. And your statement there is the equivilant of telling me that I've waist my life. Simply put how I know that is because IT'S MY JOB TO KNOW. You might as well be asking a doctor how he knows what medication to perscribe a patient. Because he went to medical school for about 8 years. Allthough in my case I've been learning about anything involving the makeing of movies sence I was 4, maybe younger, and I'm 23 now.
Rial Vestro wrote: it's my Job, more than that, it's my life.
You might as well be telling me to go shoot myself which given my metal health I probly would if you gave me the gun.
Rial Vestro wrote:typh0id, I'm not even going to bother to reply to your post
People wrote:zombybunnie: N_V scares me...I no longer wish that my pants transformed
Burn:Anyone notice how much of a boring party pooper N_V is? He doesn't join in the fun, he's spent the last few years with dodgy builds feeding XP to the Autobots, and he sure as heck doesn't spam.
disruptor96: I forgot how insane you were.
primusprime22 wrote:Okay, I'm just going to make a Who becomes Scourge and who becomes Cyclonus thread, due to the fact that many people seem to be arguing about this. I will not say any names.
now back to the topic. what was it again? oh, yeah, WHAT COLOR IS RUMBLE AND FRENZY?!?!?
I need to calm down...![]()
Wikipedia wrote:Rumble's colors changed over the course of Generation one, originally being red (leading to confusion as Frenzy was blue) in the original toyline and Marvel comics. The cartoon made Rumble the blue robot instead. Dreamwave comics, IDW comics, and even the recently-released Alternators toy all represented Rumble as a red robot. The Japanese dub of the original Transformers series switched Rumble and Frenzy's names around so that their cartoon appearances would match the colors of their toys.
typh0id wrote:Rial Vestro wrote: it's my Job, more than that, it's my life.
You might as well be telling me to go shoot myself which given my metal health I probly would if you gave me the gun.
This is the kind of thing meladramatic people who are desparately seeking attention say...Not at all suprised you're a theatre major or whatever...
So you can argue what I've said here all you want but I realize that contiuing this is completely useless and I'm now out...I imagine the mods are going to lock this thread anyway...
Name_Violation wrote:trukk not munky
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