The Energon Pub

[Sabrblade]

To be perfectly honest, as trustworthy as Catz is, I'm not expecting this to really contain a Leader class figure. Let us not forget that Leaders these days are shorter than they used to be, so Catz's supplier might have instead seen a set of all Voyagers but with one of them being a bit larger/bulkier/taller/etc. than the others.

After all, Venksta is also reputable, and he said that there were six roughly-Voyager-sized figures in the set.

At this point, I'm just gonna sit back and wait and see what comes out of this, rather than assume anything more than this thing's forthcoming existence.


As for the G1 reissues, I find those of Blaster, Perceptor, and the Insecticons to be a bit premature in their being rereleased, what with those ones having already had Hasbro rereleases just a few years ago.

[shockblast2]

I would so much rather see a Titan-class Scorponok, but I don't know if the toy market right now is in the right place for a 2 foot tall purple, green and orange scorpion robot.

Maybe you could look into how well this guy is selling to get an estimate of the market

That's targeted towards a completely different market.

Damn, $560???

For that kind of money it should transform into a 50" LED TV.

[SW's SilverHammer]

I can only hope somewhere down the line they make a legends class prowl that doubles as a headmaster.

[shockblast2]

To be perfectly honest, as trustworthy as Catz is, I'm not expecting this to really contain a Leader class figure. Let us not forget that Leaders these days are shorter than they used to be, so Catz's supplier might have instead seen a set of all Voyagers but with one of them being a bit larger/bulkier/taller/etc. than the others.

After all, Venksta is also reputable, and he said that there were six roughly-Voyager-sized figures in the set.

At this point, I'm just gonna sit back and wait and see what comes out of this, rather than assume anything more than this thing's forthcoming existence.


As for the G1 reissues, I find those of Blaster, Perceptor, and the Insecticons to be a bit premature in their being rereleased, what with those ones having already had Hasbro rereleases just a few years ago.

Good point, and I agree. I don't see why they would have to make one a leader class. If they needed a bulkier figure for the core of the combiner, then they can either just make it slightly larger, or have two of the six form the torso, just like G1 Devastator.

[shockblast2]

Wise assss.

Buy a third party one to fit in with your geewun classics crap. Why does it matter? Hasbro is not releasing figures to appease middle aged toy collectors. They are selling toys to children. Awesome if what they make appeals to us. If not, then get over it. Our time is up. The eighties are long over. This isn't geewun. Its that simple.

Yeah, I dont think so. The brand is alive and well and G1 looks anything but dead right now. I am happy to be a fan even if none of what is written above is happening (though we all know quite a bit of it is)

G1 ended over 20 years ago. If you mean its influence, then yes, it will always be the core of Transformers because it started it all. And while I respect the line for what it was and still is, it is definitely long dead. If anything, this is a new generation of our old favorites. Just like G2, which took over for G1 when it ended. And in my opinion, this generation, or G3 as I like to call it, is far superior to its predecessors. This doesn't take away from G1 however, because without the original we have nothing.

[shockblast2]

I can only hope somewhere down the line they make a legends class prowl that doubles as a headmaster.

I am certain that if Hasbro doesn't touch this, then some 3pt will.

[Robogeek1973]

I'm gonna stop letting myself get excited about this guy until some hard evidence starts popping up. That being said, anything less than a six bot combiner will hafta be really cool looking for me to consider picking it up.

[AutobotAlvaron]

Hi Ryan, does Hasbro/Takara have an "official" definition of the term "Titan Class"? Does it apply to Titan Metroplex-sized figures only, or to figures measuring just larger than Supreme Class (Armada Unicron, Energon Omega Supreme), or is it only a price category meaning $150.00+ range? Maybe it just means whatever they want it to?

Classes pertain to costs. Hasbro has already stated this many times.

Thanks for the info. Shockblast2; and sorry that answering a question not even directed at you, seemed to annoy you a bit. I'm was only curious about Devastator and meant no disrespect.

[shockblast2]

Hi Ryan, does Hasbro/Takara have an "official" definition of the term "Titan Class"? Does it apply to Titan Metroplex-sized figures only, or to figures measuring just larger than Supreme Class (Armada Unicron, Energon Omega Supreme), or is it only a price category meaning $150.00+ range? Maybe it just means whatever they want it to?

Classes pertain to costs. Hasbro has already stated this many times.

Thanks for the info. Shockblast2; and sorry that answering a question not even directed at you, seemed to annoy you a bit. I'm was only curious about Devastator and meant no disrespect.

No, I wasn't annoyed at all, my friend. Happy to help!

[SW's SilverHammer]

Wise assss.

Buy a third party one to fit in with your geewun classics crap. Why does it matter? Hasbro is not releasing figures to appease middle aged toy collectors. They are selling toys to children. Awesome if what they make appeals to us. If not, then get over it. Our time is up. The eighties are long over. This isn't geewun. Its that simple.

Yeah, I dont think so. The brand is alive and well and G1 looks anything but dead right now. I am happy to be a fan even if none of what is written above is happening (though we all know quite a bit of it is)

G1 ended over 20 years ago. If you mean its influence, then yes, it will always be the core of Transformers because it started it all. And while I respect the line for what it was and still is, it is definitely long dead. If anything, this is a new generation of our old favorites. Just like G2, which took over for G1 when it ended. And in my opinion, this generation, or G3 as I like to call it, is far superior to its predecessors. This doesn't take away from G1 however, because without the original we have nothing.

Okay, we've had this discussion befor. Let me put it this way. Generation 2, is a continuation of the original transformers story, and to extent toyline. It's called Generation 2 because here in Merica there was a brief hiatus between the two. After that failed spectacularly, anc a few years later, the beast wars toy line and storylines were introduced. The beast era, canonically is a continuation of sorts of the g1/g2 storylines, except beast wars took place a few literal societal generations after those stories. The "Classics, Universe, generations toylines, are not a generation of transformers unto themselves. The equivalent of that would be calling the star wars black series toys kenner episode 7 toys. The generations, or neo classics as I call them, toys are a hodge podge of different toys with no actual story driving them, as toys. What's going on is, hasbro is using more IDW centric designs to emulate these new comics, thus making these more recent generations toys, more related to the IDW comics that way they have a fiction outlet. The IDW comics are another interpretation of the G1 characters, storyline et cetera accept better. End of point, There is no generation 3, these are not generation 3 toys, these are generations toys based of the g1 characters, beast wars characters, RID characters, Unicron trilogy characters, as well as other influences such as IDW's comics which are an adaptation and interpretation of G1.

[ZeroWolf]

I would love it if prowl was one of the voyagers (if the rumoured deluxe prowl is correct it would be great if he transformed into the head, or had an replacement head for devy). Also to whoever said "it may happen in the comics but not in the toy line" you have to admit that the comics and the toys have been pretty entwined as of late. Even now I wonder if they worked together to come up with the idea of Combiner Wars.

[Rated X]

All new mold?

For $180, it better do my taxes as well.

With all your "GEEWUN" comments, I was under the assumption that you wouldnt be among the population of people that have to file taxes. You seem to have a problem with collectors in their 30s and older.

[ScottyP]

Even now I wonder if they worked together to come up with the idea of Combiner Wars.

They'll claim that all day long. I still think some of the comic material, or at the very least the inclusion of certain characters, is a Hasbro mandate despite anything Mr. Barber is forced to say to the contrary.

That said, I also think IDW still gets a phenomenal degree of autonomy and very little of these assumed mandates end up affecting the overall direction they go in. So yeah, also possible they could have easily just kept on and had whatever other story plus combiners showing up, but perhaps chose to have a synergistic thing going on with xRiD/Windblade for awhile to try and gain some sales through cross promotion and brand consistency.

[shockblast2]

Wise assss.

Buy a third party one to fit in with your geewun classics crap. Why does it matter? Hasbro is not releasing figures to appease middle aged toy collectors. They are selling toys to children. Awesome if what they make appeals to us. If not, then get over it. Our time is up. The eighties are long over. This isn't geewun. Its that simple.

Yeah, I dont think so. The brand is alive and well and G1 looks anything but dead right now. I am happy to be a fan even if none of what is written above is happening (though we all know quite a bit of it is)

G1 ended over 20 years ago. If you mean its influence, then yes, it will always be the core of Transformers because it started it all. And while I respect the line for what it was and still is, it is definitely long dead. If anything, this is a new generation of our old favorites. Just like G2, which took over for G1 when it ended. And in my opinion, this generation, or G3 as I like to call it, is far superior to its predecessors. This doesn't take away from G1 however, because without the original we have nothing.

Okay, we've had this discussion befor. Let me put it this way. Generation 2, is a continuation of the original transformers story, and to extent toyline. It's called Generation 2 because here in Merica there was a brief hiatus between the two. After that failed spectacularly, anc a few years later, the beast wars toy line and storylines were introduced. The beast era, canonically is a continuation of sorts of the g1/g2 storylines, except beast wars took place a few literal societal generations after those stories. The "Classics, Universe, generations toylines, are not a generation of transformers unto themselves. The equivalent of that would be calling the star wars black series toys kenner episode 7 toys. The generations, or neo classics as I call them, toys are a hodge podge of different toys with no actual story driving them, as toys. What's going on is, hasbro is using more IDW centric designs to emulate these new comics, thus making these more recent generations toys, more related to the IDW comics that way they have a fiction outlet. The IDW comics are another interpretation of the G1 characters, storyline et cetera accept better. End of point, There is no generation 3, these are not generation 3 toys, these are generations toys based of the g1 characters, beast wars characters, RID characters, Unicron trilogy characters, as well as other influences such as IDW's comics which are an adaptation and interpretation of G1.

Just stop, please. I am not doing this today. If you want to believe the above, then that is fine. I am not here to force my opinion on others. This is the way I classify it in my mind. If you disagree, then great. But, lets not derail the thread.

Besides, I do not debate G1 specifics with anyone other than Sabre. And I an not in the mood to do so today, my friend. Life is too short to be fighting about such nonsense. When I look at my current TF collection I think of it as G3. If you don't want to, then that is your right.

[ScottyP]

Ended up talking comics, but did come here to say that I am greedy and if there is indeed a yellow Devastator, then I want an orange one eventually as well. And for the 80th time, I want SG colors as well. Maybe Diaclone too. Or Sixbuilder. Hell, do a straight up limited edition in colors inspired by the last 6 Summer Olympic host cities, I don't care. Just want All The Constructicons.

[Shockwave7]

Just buy three sets and paint two of them whatever colors you want

[shockblast2]

All new mold?

For $180, it better do my taxes as well.

With all your "GEEWUN" comments, I was under the assumption that you wouldnt be among the population of people that have to file taxes. You seem to have a problem with collectors in their 30s and older.

No, that would be silly and hypocritical as I am 34 years old myself. I like geewun, or G1. What I don't like is arguing day in and day out with people about the specifics of my collection and how I classify it versus yours.

Why would I have a problem with collecting if you are 30 years or older? Now, I do take issue with people who have delusions that Hasbro is something more than a toy company that primarily produces toys for children. If they create something for the children that appeals to us, then great! Buy it up! I did, and still do. But, I have no delusions on what Hasbro should and should not be producing.

Do you know any members like that?

[Megatron Wolf]

i was excited for devastator until i read the part about it being a leader & voyagers along side the high price point, cant afford to drop that much cash in one shot on a dust collector nor do i have the shelf space for something that big. Oh well more money for video games i guess

[Sabrblade]

i was excited for devastator until i read the part about it being a leader & voyagers along side the high price point, cant afford to drop that much cash in one shot on a dust collector nor do i have the shelf space for something that big. Oh well more money for video games i guess

I wouldn't be too quick to jump on that "Leader" claim. It could very well be all Voyagers with one of them being just a bit bigger than the others.

[shockblast2]

I would love it if prowl was one of the voyagers (if the rumoured deluxe prowl is correct it would be great if he transformed into the head, or had an replacement head for devy). Also to whoever said "it may happen in the comics but not in the toy line" you have to admit that the comics and the toys have been pretty entwined as of late. Even now I wonder if they worked together to come up with the idea of Combiner Wars.

That was me and I do admit it. As a matter of fact I am glad it is. I actually wanted the Arcee release to look like her IDW self rather than a mock up of the G1 design.

If I were putting money on it I would say Hasbro will have something to incorporate Prowl into Devastator because of the very point you make. But, if not, then 3pt will step in, no doubt.

[shockblast2]

i was excited for devastator until i read the part about it being a leader & voyagers along side the high price point, cant afford to drop that much cash in one shot on a dust collector nor do i have the shelf space for something that big. Oh well more money for video games i guess

If it s six voyagers, then it is actually right on point. Voyagers are $25, and 25*6 is $150.

And I fully agree with Sabre. Doesn't make sense to have a leader and five voyagers, especially if the price point is $150. A leader has a price point of $45 alone.


BTW, I love the Plissken graphic in your post! HUGE Kurt Russell fan! Especially his eighties stuff. I just watched the Thing just last weekend!

I would love to see an Escape from Cleveland movie before he is too old to do it!

[MemphisR56]

Even now I wonder if they worked together to come up with the idea of Combiner Wars.

They'll claim that all day long. I still think some of the comic material, or at the very least the inclusion of certain characters, is a Hasbro mandate despite anything Mr. Barber is forced to say to the contrary.

That said, I also think IDW still gets a phenomenal degree of autonomy and very little of these assumed mandates end up affecting the overall direction they go in. So yeah, also possible they could have easily just kept on and had whatever other story plus combiners showing up, but perhaps chose to have a synergistic thing going on with xRiD/Windblade for awhile to try and gain some sales through cross promotion and brand consistency.

It doesn't seem like a hasbro mandate dynamic to me. I think hasbro get asked all the time 'when do we get more combiners' and IDW get asked all the time 'Hey guys when are you gonna write more combiners' and meanwhile 3rd party combiners sell like hotcakes.

Whether IDW or Hasbro said it first seems like there was a business neeting between the 2 where they identified a mutual market niche where they can undercut the competition and said "hey, why arent we doing this and making boats full of money already.".

The rest as they say is history.

[reluctantyouth]

Great Scott ...


This really sounds just to darn good to be true. I'll chime in on hoping the leader figure is Long Haul as well. A massive dump truck with a dual axle would be awesome to give Devastator the hip girth that is definitely lacking in CW Superion and Menasor. Bring on the pics...Toy Fair just seems so darn far away right now!!

PS- Second thought this is Hasbro we're talking about and me might only get a "teaser" image of Devy at Toy Fair if we're lucky.

[Burn]

i was excited for devastator until i read the part about it being a leader & voyagers along side the high price point, cant afford to drop that much cash in one shot on a dust collector nor do i have the shelf space for something that big. Oh well more money for video games i guess

No one knows a release date (I would bet end of the year actually) so start saving now. $5 a week, you'll have it saved up (and then some) in six months!

[Rated X]

All new mold?

For $180, it better do my taxes as well.

With all your "GEEWUN" comments, I was under the assumption that you wouldnt be among the population of people that have to file taxes. You seem to have a problem with collectors in their 30s and older.

No, that would be silly and hypocritical as I am 34 years old myself. I like geewun, or G1. What I don't like is arguing day in and day out with people about the specifics of mine collection and how I classify it versus yours.

Why would I have a problem with collecting if you are 30 years or older? Now, I do take issue with people who have delusions that Hasbro is something more than a toy company that primarily produces toys for children. If they create something for the children that appeals to us, then great! Buy it up! I did, and still do. But, I have no delusions on what Hasbro should and should not be producing.

Do you know any members like that?

I tend to think of the CHUG lines as being aimed at the adult collector market and kids being the secondary market. Kids dont give a crap about G1 characters or figures that homage them. Hasbro has plenty of lines geared toward todays youth such as TF Prime, RID, Movie lines, and rescue bots. Theres no shortage of lines geared towards kids. Any of the CHUG lines are clearly geared towards people our age who grew up with G1. Im 38 so by the time I stopped collecting G1 stuff around age 12 im sure you were exposed to the tail end of G1. Granted that was the action master era which sucked, but dont act like you had no exposure to G1 in the 80s. Now if G1 didnt tickle your pickle and the nostalgia factor isnt there for you, thats another story. CHUG lines have been a home run since they arrived in 2006. They have inspired older fans like me to get back into collecting and have carried the nostalgia to a younger generation to enjoy.