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He really can't, though he might try anyway.Damolisher wrote:
Until you can prove to us in some way OTHER than the MTMTE comics, or some obscure Japanese Manga which holds no relevance to any storyline outside of Japan, through footage, or other such means that Transformers can reproduce AT ALL, without needing to dictate to us your so-called laws of life (Which only APPLY TO ORGANIC CREATURES, NOT ROBOTS OR ANDROIDS), then your argument WILL HOLD MERIT. Until then, all you've got is hearsay and theory with no ground.
In a PM to Damolisher, I wrote:Although I figure by the end of Beast Machines, they'd be organic enough to reproduce naturally.
In that case (I assume they'd be carbon-silicate based lifeforms when Cybertron was reformatted) evolution would probably occur in the generation right after the reformat, making them much more organic. I'm not sure how this would effect transforming, since transformation in BM seems much more like morphing. (Parts mutate rather than flip and fold, at least for Maximals, not Vehicons or Megatron (Who primarily kept his TMII mode))
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
& after they were reformatted to be techno-organic. Which if they had to be specially reformatted to be techno-organic, that means they weren't before.Damolisher wrote:And again, that's AFTER Beast Machines, which we never saw. That's only an after effect of AFTER the war's over.
And the same thing with the G1 cartoon...they need Vector Sigma to make more Tfs, but they can make Dinobots without it, several suposed origins for the Constructicons, so on and so forth. Continuity is a mess sometimes... And in Beast Wars Tfs were created by Primus, where in G1 they were created by Quintessions, and Beast Wars is supposed to be the canon sequal to G1... Its a messNemesis Cyberplex wrote:& after they were reformatted to be techno-organic. Which if they had to be specially reformatted to be techno-organic, that means they weren't before.Damolisher wrote:And again, that's AFTER Beast Machines, which we never saw. That's only an after effect of AFTER the war's over.
.....Though Beast Wars/Machines is really hard to pull anything concrete out of its setup, because one episode they're nothing but robots, the next they're robot/animal hybrids(Rattrap: I'm a rat, I'm a robot...I'm a rat & a robot!!), then they're back to being robots, then they're infused with alien alien tech, then they're back to robo-beasts, then they're techno-organic....& a few other steps I probably missed in there...
That would be coolijuintekka wrote:I want some female seekers. Then I'll buy a little pimp outfit for my classics Skywarp.
Yeah, it really is a big mess. I will say one thing about the G1 cartoon: there was a heavy emphesis on them being mechanical & in all instances referring to creating new TFs, they were simply built.Zombie Starscream wrote:And the same thing with the G1 cartoon...they need Vector Sigma to make more Tfs, but they can make Dinobots without it, several suposed origins for the Constructicons, so on and so forth. Continuity is a mess sometimes... And in Beast Wars Tfs were created by Primus, where in G1 they were created by Quintessions, and Beast Wars is supposed to be the canon sequal to G1... Its a messNemesis Cyberplex wrote:& after they were reformatted to be techno-organic. Which if they had to be specially reformatted to be techno-organic, that means they weren't before.Damolisher wrote:And again, that's AFTER Beast Machines, which we never saw. That's only an after effect of AFTER the war's over.
.....Though Beast Wars/Machines is really hard to pull anything concrete out of its setup, because one episode they're nothing but robots, the next they're robot/animal hybrids(Rattrap: I'm a rat, I'm a robot...I'm a rat & a robot!!), then they're back to being robots, then they're infused with alien alien tech, then they're back to robo-beasts, then they're techno-organic....& a few other steps I probably missed in there...![]()
Damolisher wrote:without needing to dictate to us your so-called laws of life (Which only APPLY TO ORGANIC CREATURES, NOT ROBOTS OR ANDROIDS)
Tekka wrote:What she doesn't realize is that Springer actually loves Rodimus.
If you go back & look through several previous posts, mine in particular, you will see that it has been established that Transforers don't need females....life or no life. It is fiction, femmbots were only added to keep G1 politically correct, other sci-fi series noted earlier have examples of robots being alive without procreating, etc, etc....ThunderThruster wrote:Damolisher wrote:without needing to dictate to us your so-called laws of life (Which only APPLY TO ORGANIC CREATURES, NOT ROBOTS OR ANDROIDS)
no they apply to all life, not just organic life, thats why they're used to define 'life'. Just because a lifeform is mechanical, doesnt mean that these laws dont apply!
ThunderThruster wrote:Damolisher wrote:without needing to dictate to us your so-called laws of life (Which only APPLY TO ORGANIC CREATURES, NOT ROBOTS OR ANDROIDS)
no they apply to all life, not just organic life, thats why they're used to define 'life'. Just because a lifeform is mechanical, doesnt mean that these laws dont apply!
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
ThunderThruster wrote:Damolisher wrote:without needing to dictate to us your so-called laws of life (Which only APPLY TO ORGANIC CREATURES, NOT ROBOTS OR ANDROIDS)
no they apply to all life, not just organic life, thats why they're used to define 'life'. Just because a lifeform is mechanical, doesnt mean that these laws dont apply!
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Which I would assume means anything with a TF logo on it. Kinda funny you claim this here, yet in the previously locked thread (only bring this up to make a point, not even going to attempt to let that argument leak over here) you said that in order for Soundwave to be Soundwave, he had to be a music player, had to mass-shift, had to have detatchable minions, & had to do espionage missions himself, & would not accept other examples of stuff Hasbro sanctioned as being canon (I.E. Machine Wars Soundwave) as being the "true" soundwave. & yet here in this thread, you say anything relating to the slightest inkling of story that says female TF are for reproduction is accepted & law in the TF multiverse. That being said, if you are going to argue this point, argue canon & not Soundwave. That is done & locked. Leave it at that.mirriam-webster wrote:Canon: a sanctioned or accepted group or body of related works
fiction- an assumption of a possibility as a fact irrespective of the question of its truth
I forsee a mix of Powerpuff girls, bratz, barbie, & totally spies....with just a hint of Clueless( the movie, not the series) mixed in for good measure.Shadowman wrote:EDIT: Screw it, let's get back on topic.
More fembots would be nice. But poorly written soap-opera crap would not.
Nemesis Cyberplex wrote:A: show me a credible source that says alien robots have to be able to reproduce sexually in order to be considered living, even among science fiction.
B:More than Meets the eye #8 not only contradicts DREAMWAVE comics themselves, it has elements that contradict all other TF continuities, & more importantly the original comics & cartoon...& even if you could consider it valid, it is a TF universe all of itself & does not bleed over into other TF universes unless other writers decide to take elements from it. But even still, that would not be retroactive. It wouldn't undo G1, which it is not (using g1 characters to create a new story & being G1 itself are 2 different animals.) & being 1 comic among hundereds that create TF mythos total makes it obscure, especially since the go-to guy that wrote most...nearly all....of the TF comics total does not agree.
C: By your standard of canon, anything that Hasbro slaps the Autobot or Decepticon logo on is canon.Which I would assume means anything with a TF logo on it. Kinda funny you claim this here, yet in the previously locked thread (only bring this up to make a point, not even going to attempt to let that argument leak over here) you said that in order for Soundwave to be Soundwave, he had to be a music player, had to mass-shift, had to have detatchable minions, & had to do espionage missions himself, & would not accept other examples of stuff Hasbro sanctioned as being canon (I.E. Machine Wars Soundwave) as being the "true" soundwave. & yet here in this thread, you say anything relating to the slightest inkling of story that says female TF are for reproduction is accepted & law in the TF multiverse. That being said, if you are going to argue this point, argue canon & not Soundwave. That is done & locked. Leave it at that.mirriam-webster wrote:Canon: a sanctioned or accepted group or body of related works
D: One thing that you keep forgetting is that above all else, every series that Hasbro comes up with, liscenses out, whatever, right under that TF logo there is a few more words there that specifically dictate the ultimate canon among Transformers: ROBOTS IN DISGUISE. & that goes first & foremost before any other part of TF mythos. To me that says they are robots, they are machines. & even if they are living organisms, it does not overshadow the fact that they are robots in transformer fiction.
Another definition I pulled from Mirriam-webster:fiction- an assumption of a possibility as a fact irrespective of the question of its truth
In transformer fiction, robots can be considered living without meeting said criteria for being alive.
& once again, to top all arguments about the need for female robots to procreate: the only reason for female robots in the first place was to give counterbalance the genderless yet masculine robots in a needless attempt to make Transformers more politically correct.
But believe what you want...I know you will anyway. I'm done with this.
Damolisher. There is nothing lame about it. and calling the viesws of others who disagree with you "lame" is just rude and totally uncalled for. This is supposed to be a friendly debate. You just refuse to even consider that transformers are more than just robots and that their genders serve an actual purpose, just as they do in all life forms with genders. Gendrrs serve only one purpose in a life form and that is reproductive.Damolisher wrote:^Oh, shut up. Go peddle your lame scientific crap somewhere else. There's some many other things that aren't physically possible in Transformers, yet you don't whine about them. Stop copying and rewording the same posts over and over again. You lost.
Now THAT'S over, Transformers for girls would be a stupid idea. It's fine as it is, take it or leave it. There's plenty of girls who like Transformers as it is.
Tramp wrote:You just refuse to even consider that transformers are more than just robots and that their genders serve an actual purpose, just as they do in all life forms with genders. Gendrrs serve only one purpose in a life form and that is reproductive.
Psychout wrote:Im not scared of a gender confused minibot!
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