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by **Tangent** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:28 pm

Siren Prime wrote:But I do think it's highly unlikely that the Autobot's took them out.
Most Autobots aren't cruel enough to do that.

Yeah thats what I figured, alas, we may never know...

by **Siren Prime** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:41 pm

Tangent wrote:
Siren Prime wrote:But I do think it's highly unlikely that the Autobot's took them out.
Most Autobots aren't cruel enough to do that.

Yeah thats what I figured, alas, we may never know...

What a shame... :-(

by **Tramp** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:43 pm

Tangent wrote:If the cons did kill most of the females Autobots, then what happened to the female cons?

I doubt there were many of those to begin with. Most of the Decepticons were chosen by Megatron, and proved their mettle on the Gladiatorial arenas. After the formation of the Decepticon army and the beginning of the revolt, It is possible some fems gravitated towards them and joined up, but I doubt very many. From Arcee's write-up, Most Decepticons consider Femmes to be weak, and she uses that prejudice to her advantage. Therefor, any fem who wished to join the ranks of the Decepticons would have to be pretty tough and brutal just to survive, mugh less thrive.

by **Tangent** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:09 pm

Tramp wrote:
Tangent wrote:If the cons did kill most of the females Autobots, then what happened to the female cons?

I doubt there were many of those to begin with. Most of the Decepticons were chosen by Megatron, and proved their mettle on the Gladiatorial arenas. After the formation of the Decepticon army and the beginning of the revolt, It is possible some fems gravitated towards them and joined up, but I doubt very many. From Arcee's write-up, Most Decepticons consider Femmes to be weak, and she uses that prejudice to her advantage. Therefor, any fem who wished to join the ranks of the Decepticons would have to be pretty tough and brutal just to survive, mugh less thrive.

Oh yeah, thats a good point!

by **Siren Prime** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:44 pm

Tangent wrote:
Tramp wrote:
Tangent wrote:If the cons did kill most of the females Autobots, then what happened to the female cons?

I doubt there were many of those to begin with. Most of the Decepticons were chosen by Megatron, and proved their mettle on the Gladiatorial arenas. After the formation of the Decepticon army and the beginning of the revolt, It is possible some fems gravitated towards them and joined up, but I doubt very many. From Arcee's write-up, Most Decepticons consider Femmes to be weak, and she uses that prejudice to her advantage. Therefor, any fem who wished to join the ranks of the Decepticons would have to be pretty tough and brutal just to survive, mugh less thrive.

Oh yeah, thats a good point!

That's what I was thinking too...
But then if that's true then how the heck did that idiot Thuderblast get in?

by **Tramp** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:48 pm

Siren Prime wrote:
Tangent wrote:
Tramp wrote:
Tangent wrote:If the cons did kill most of the females Autobots, then what happened to the female cons?

I doubt there were many of those to begin with. Most of the Decepticons were chosen by Megatron, and proved their mettle on the Gladiatorial arenas. After the formation of the Decepticon army and the beginning of the revolt, It is possible some fems gravitated towards them and joined up, but I doubt very many. From Arcee's write-up, Most Decepticons consider Femmes to be weak, and she uses that prejudice to her advantage. Therefor, any fem who wished to join the ranks of the Decepticons would have to be pretty tough and brutal just to survive, mugh less thrive.

Oh yeah, thats a good point!

That's what I was thinking too...
But then if that's true then how the heck did that idiot Thuderblast get in?

For starters, different universe than G1. Secondly, she's an ancient Decepticon who'd been on Earth since at least before the rise of Ancient Greece.

by **Tramp** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:54 pm

IF you ladies are intersted in seeing some Autobot femmes in toy form, check out my thread here: http://www.seibertron.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14250&sid=

by **Siren Prime** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:10 pm

Tramp wrote:
Siren Prime wrote:
Tangent wrote:
Tramp wrote:
Tangent wrote:If the cons did kill most of the females Autobots, then what happened to the female cons?

I doubt there were many of those to begin with. Most of the Decepticons were chosen by Megatron, and proved their mettle on the Gladiatorial arenas. After the formation of the Decepticon army and the beginning of the revolt, It is possible some fems gravitated towards them and joined up, but I doubt very many. From Arcee's write-up, Most Decepticons consider Femmes to be weak, and she uses that prejudice to her advantage. Therefor, any fem who wished to join the ranks of the Decepticons would have to be pretty tough and brutal just to survive, mugh less thrive.

Oh yeah, thats a good point!

That's what I was thinking too...
But then if that's true then how the heck did that idiot Thuderblast get in?

For starters, different universe than G1. Secondly, she's an ancient Decepticon who'd been on Earth since at least before the rise of Ancient Greece.

Still, she doesn't seem like the kind of person that Megs would tolerate. He mostly just ignores her.
But maybe does he secretly like having a fan-girl?

News Credits: 3 · by **Damolisher** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:44 pm

Tramp wrote:ome fans can't wrap their heads around the idea of robots having genders (sexes), and see no need for female Transformers at all. They don't like the concept and never will. Personally, I don't see why there wouldn't be female Transformers. I also see no reason why Transformers can't reproduce just like us, yet some fans can't get past the idea of them being robots and not organic, and thus shouldn'follow the same laws regarding life forms. Even More than Meets the Ey #8 states that there are other untapped methods of creating new Cybetronina life besides imbuing a protoform with a spark. Also, the Victory manga did show the children of the Dinoforce, along with Deathsaurus' wife and Liozak's sister, and G1 Wheelie was a child as well. Fi you have males, females, marriages, families, and children, something must be going on. transformers created from Protoforms all have fully adult bodies, not child bodies.

The reason Transformers can't have genders or reproduce: They're robots. Machines. Why would warriors get married? Who in the blue hell wants to see Transformers when they stop warring? I don't wanna see Blurr, the fastest milkbot this side of the Alpha Centuri. Who wants to see Transformers getting married? Keep Organic crap out of Transformers. It's fine the way it is. They're robots with personalities, fine. Just don't start going mushy and introducing lame concepts like romance and families into it. I think G.I. Joe is a fine alternative if you want to see that sort of thing going on in a war, since you've got the human element and it makes more sense.

by **Siren Prime** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:48 pm

Damolisher wrote:
Tramp wrote:ome fans can't wrap their heads around the idea of robots having genders (sexes), and see no need for female Transformers at all. They don't like the concept and never will. Personally, I don't see why there wouldn't be female Transformers. I also see no reason why Transformers can't reproduce just like us, yet some fans can't get past the idea of them being robots and not organic, and thus shouldn'follow the same laws regarding life forms. Even More than Meets the Ey #8 states that there are other untapped methods of creating new Cybetronina life besides imbuing a protoform with a spark. Also, the Victory manga did show the children of the Dinoforce, along with Deathsaurus' wife and Liozak's sister, and G1 Wheelie was a child as well. Fi you have males, females, marriages, families, and children, something must be going on. transformers created from Protoforms all have fully adult bodies, not child bodies.

The reason Transformers can't have genders or reproduce: They're robots. Machines. Why would warriors get married? Who in the blue hell wants to see Transformers when they stop warring? I don't wanna see Blurr, the fastest milkbot this side of the Alpha Centuri. Who wants to see Transformers getting married? Keep Organic crap out of Transformers. It's fine the way it is. They're robots with personalities, fine. Just don't start going mushy and introducing lame concepts like romance and families into it. I think G.I. Joe is a fine alternative if you want to see that sort of thing going on in a war, since you've got the human element and it makes more sense.

Well see, that's what makes us different.
You're entitled to your own opinion and we're entitled to ours.

by **Tramp** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:59 pm

Siren Prime wrote:
Damolisher wrote:
Tramp wrote:ome fans can't wrap their heads around the idea of robots having genders (sexes), and see no need for female Transformers at all. They don't like the concept and never will. Personally, I don't see why there wouldn't be female Transformers. I also see no reason why Transformers can't reproduce just like us, yet some fans can't get past the idea of them being robots and not organic, and thus shouldn'follow the same laws regarding life forms. Even More than Meets the Ey #8 states that there are other untapped methods of creating new Cybetronina life besides imbuing a protoform with a spark. Also, the Victory manga did show the children of the Dinoforce, along with Deathsaurus' wife and Liozak's sister, and G1 Wheelie was a child as well. Fi you have males, females, marriages, families, and children, something must be going on. transformers created from Protoforms all have fully adult bodies, not child bodies.

The reason Transformers can't have genders or reproduce: They're robots. Machines. Why would warriors get married? Who in the blue hell wants to see Transformers when they stop warring? I don't wanna see Blurr, the fastest milkbot this side of the Alpha Centuri. Who wants to see Transformers getting married? Keep Organic crap out of Transformers. It's fine the way it is. They're robots with personalities, fine. Just don't start going mushy and introducing lame concepts like romance and families into it. I think G.I. Joe is a fine alternative if you want to see that sort of thing going on in a war, since you've got the human element and it makes more sense.

Well see, that's what makes us different.
You're entitled to your own opinion and we're entitled to ours.

To add to that, They aren't "just robots". They aren't just "machines". They're robotic organisms. They're life forms. That is the difference. A life form has rto be able to reproduce.

News Credits: 3 · by **Damolisher** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:02 pm

They're robots. Made of machinery. You ever see a robosapien breed? Didn't think so.

by **Zombie Starscream** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:06 pm

Tramp wrote:
Siren Prime wrote:That's cool!!
The more femme-fans the better!!
I was ticked when they booted Arcee out of the movie though...
I don't understand why fans didn't want her...
Some fans can't wrap their heads around the idea of robots having genders (sexes), and see no need for female Transformers at all. They don't like the concept and never will. Personally, I don't see why there wouldn't be female Transformers. I also see no reason why Transformers can't reproduce just like us, yet some fans can't get past the idea of them being robots and not organic, and thus shouldn'follow the same laws regarding life forms. Even More than Meets the Ey #8 states that there are other untapped methods of creating new Cybetronina life besides imbuing a protoform with a spark. Also, the Victory manga did show the children of the Dinoforce, along with Deathsaurus' wife and Liozak's sister, and G1 Wheelie was a child as well. Fi you have males, females, marriages, families, and children, something must be going on. transformers created from Protoforms all have fully adult bodies, not child bodies.

I agree

They might be a type of robot, but they are NOT Earth robots. Earth robots are not capable of reproduction, they have no gender. ALIEN robots however, can. I have seen females in the old movie and cartoons, and there were children. The kiddies came from somewhere.

by **Tramp** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:08 pm

Damolisher wrote:They're robots. Made of machinery. You ever see a robosapien breed? Didn't think so.

Actually, yes, I have. Have you ever seen the movie Battereies not Included? It's about a group of little robotic aliens shaped like flying sucers that come to live in an apparment building with a bunch of humans. Two of the little robotic aliens are a mated pair and the female becomes pregnant and gives birth to little baby flying sucer aliens.

News Credits: 3 · by **Damolisher** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:14 pm

Not really what I meant, but OK. But still, why would robots created A) For menial tasks or B) For war gave genitalia built in. Why would they have semen implanted in the body?

by **Tramp** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:21 pm

Damolisher wrote:Not really what I meant, but OK. But still, why would robots created A) For menial tasks or B) For war gave genitalia built in. Why would they have semen implanted in the body?

First off, According to canon, The Transformers were really created by Primus, not as slaves by the Quintessans. Secondly, why would they have sexes if not to reproduce? Why would there be males and females if not to propegate. All life forms must propegate, they must be able to bring forth offspring, and building them in a factory is not the same thing.

by **Siren Prime** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:22 pm

Damolisher wrote:Not really what I meant, but OK. But still, why would robots created A) For menial tasks or B) For war gave genitalia built in. Why would they have semen implanted in the body?

Well, you didn't see my reasoning that I put forth earlier, but I said that a couple could take samples of thier own sparks and Primus could form it into a new conciousness and also creat a body for the "child".
After all, Primus did create the other TF's.

But regardless, the Transformers are not just robots. They have feelings, opinions, and personalities.
No normal robot is like that.

by **Zombie Starscream** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:25 pm

Why would Megatron have a physical immune system in his body instead of only a digital one? He is not from Earth, he is more complex then an Earth robot. Alien robots can do things that ours can't do. If they have robo-sperm, it is there fro reproduction only, so they don't always have to run to a possibly distant factory just to make more of their own kind. It is extremely efficiant.

by **Siren Prime** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:26 pm

Tramp wrote:Two of the little robotic aliens are a mated pair and the female becomes pregnant and gives birth to little baby flying sucer aliens.

Baby flying saucers?
That sounds kinda cute!!

News Credits: 3 · by **Damolisher** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:28 pm

OK: Once again. Transformers are A) Sentient robots. B) NOT ORGANIC. They are made of inorganic materials, and cannot breed. They do not have organic internal organs. They cannot get cancer. But you do. And you can.

by **Zombie Starscream** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:30 pm

Tramp wrote:
Damolisher wrote:Not really what I meant, but OK. But still, why would robots created A) For menial tasks or B) For war gave genitalia built in. Why would they have semen implanted in the body?

First off, According to canon, The Transformers were really created by Primus, not as slaves by the Quintessans. Secondly, why would they have sexes if not to reproduce? Why would there be males and females if not to propegate. All life forms must propegate, they must be able to bring forth offspring, and building them in a factory is not the same thing.

I imagine building in a factory would be to us like cloning. Do it long enough, and after a while no one knows how to reproduce anymore, as the only known way to make more would be to clone/manufacture.

by **Tramp** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:31 pm

Damolisher wrote:OK: Once again. Transformers are A) Sentient robots. B) NOT ORGANIC. They are made of inorganic materials, and cannot breed. They do not have organic internal organs. They cannot get cancer. But you do. And you can.

Organic or not they are stil organisms. They are still life forms. It doesn't matter if that life is organic, tecno-organic, crystaline, energy-based, or what-have-you. Life still needs to propegate and that means either sexual or asexual reproduction. Since Cybertronians have males and females, Sexula reproduction makes the most sense.

News Credits: 3 · by **Damolisher** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:33 pm

They WOULDN'T BE REPRODUCING. THEY ARE ROBOTS. They are factory built. You could not have sex with something that transforms into something else. You could not give birth. Transformers are not organic, they are robots with sentiency.

by **Siren Prime** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:37 pm

Why is everyone ignoring my idea??

Anyway, once again, you don't have to agree with us or vice versa.

by **Tramp** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:37 pm

Damolisher wrote:They WOULDN'T BE REPRODUCING. THEY ARE ROBOTS. They are factory built. You could not have sex with something that transforms into something else. You could not give birth. Transformers are not organic, they are robots with sentiency.

They are more than just robots. They are living beings. This is clearly stated in canon, and even more clearly stated in the movie. Remember what Optimus Prime introduced himself and the other Autobots? He said, "We are autonomous robotic organisms, from the planet Cybertron[/b]." The key word is organisms.