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Something I just thought of... whenever trying to justify a new MP mold we always get into the discussion of what other uses it could have. But... what about MPM's? Those guys pretty much only have one use each

It came to mind with the new MPM Starscream rumor. I thought "oh they'll be able to release him twice" and realized, they don't really have that option with others.

shajaki wrote:Something I just thought of... whenever trying to justify a new MP mold we always get into the discussion of what other uses it could have. But... what about MPM's? Those guys pretty much only have one use each

It came to mind with the new MPM Starscream rumor. I thought "oh they'll be able to release him twice" and realized, they don't really have that option with others.

Some suggestions:

Optimus and Bumblebee in their DOTM bodies.
The pink Bumbleebee that appeared on DOTM.
Bumbleebee into Cliffjumper.
G1 recolors.

EDIT:Starscream into Seekers.

TulioDude wrote:

shajaki wrote:Something I just thought of... whenever trying to justify a new MP mold we always get into the discussion of what other uses it could have. But... what about MPM's? Those guys pretty much only have one use each

It came to mind with the new MPM Starscream rumor. I thought "oh they'll be able to release him twice" and realized, they don't really have that option with others.

Some suggestions:

Optimus and Bumblebee in their DOTM bodies.
The pink Bumbleebee that appeared on DOTM.
Bumbleebee into Cliffjumper.
G1 recolors.

EDIT:Starscream into Seekers.

Prime and Bee were different in DOTM?

LazerBEEk is a possibility, but the rest I don't see happening. It's not a staple of the MP line(s) to do the easy cheap repaints like a mainline.

I wonder if the market for movie stuff is just better than for G1 designs.

If movie stuff sells better, then all the development money spent is justified.

I haven't handled any MPMs. Are they right on par with MPs?

Cobotron wrote:I wonder if the market for movie stuff is just better than for G1 designs.

If movie stuff sells better, then all the development money spent is justified.

I haven't handled any MPMs. Are they right on par with MPs?

No they are not.

Makes you wonder, do movie toys sell better than Generations?

Cobotron wrote:I haven't handled any MPMs. Are they right on par with MPs?

It's hard to describe... In a way, they're exactly the same. In another way, completely different

I guess the best way to compare them to G1 MP's, is to imagine the same level of complexity (of recents like Megatron and Sunstreaker) only yielding completely differently looking results. And in general, feeling slightly less solid than their G1 counterparts.

shajaki wrote:Prime and Bee were different in DOTM?

Yup.

Prime had new abs in robot mode, and Bee is always a different kind of Camaro in each movie.

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Re-issue this February 2019

Cobotron wrote:I wonder if the market for movie stuff is just better than for G1 designs.

If movie stuff sells better, then all the development money spent is justified.

I haven't handled any MPMs. Are they right on par with MPs?

In my opinion, Barricade is, and he is easily on par with my Sideswipe and Artfire. Bee is a bit below them, but still fairly good. Prime's transformation and alt mode really hurts him.

But Barricade, yes. they appear to be learning as they go. Of the 7 mps I have, MP-40 is by far the weakest.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Of the 7 mps I have, MP-40 is by far the weakest.

shajaki wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Of the 7 mps I have, MP-40 is by far the weakest.

Ranking the MPs is hard, but Hot Rodimus is definitely sort of soft. He feels light and not really hefty, the legs are kinda cheap feeling, and his entire alt mode is on top of his body, everything from the waist down does not have any alt mode stuff on it.

My rankings from 2 weeks ago I think:
1) Artfire
2) SG Prime
3) Barricade
4) Sideswipe
5) Bumblebee
6) Hot Rodimus
7) movie Optimus Prime

Top 4 are really hard to rank, they are all equally as loved. Bee is just a tad lower than those 4, and MP-40 and MPM4 are well below all 5 of those

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Bee is a bit below them, but still fairly good. Prime's transformation and alt mode really hurts him.

I agree hence why I said they were not on par with the other MPs. Dont know about Barricade though. Regarding Ironhide though, something tells me a G1 MP would never have robot mode feet sticking out so obviously in the back.



The problem with the movie MPMs I have (Bee and Optimus) is that they seem to be bursting with inner robot detail that is hard to stuff back in. While the G1 MPs are more about reorienting or unfolding. MP Megatron has this absolutely beautiful motion of folding the top of the gun and having it fill up his sides. The same parts truly making the bots made up of the vehicles. Primal is super cool that way too. I would say Hot Rod feels most like an MPM toy but its the robot mode they compromised rather than the alt mode (so like reverse MPM Ironhide). I guess you could say they feel different just like how movie TFs (especially the cars) feel different from Car formers in the generations line.

william-james88 wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Bee is a bit below them, but still fairly good. Prime's transformation and alt mode really hurts him.

I agree hence why I said they were not on par with the other MPs. Dont know about Barricade though. Regarding Ironhide though, something tells me a G1 MP would never have robot mode feet sticking out so obviously in the back.

Just slap a "Just Married" banner on the back of the truck's tailgate and those dangling feet pieces will suddenly look less out of place.

So here is a discussion point: given the ridiculous inflation that Takara is starting to show on the MP line, how many of us are going to abbandon the collection of it?

Beast Wars Megatron is a full $100 more expensive than MP36. In the images we have so far, I see zero evidence for this increase, and as badly as I want this figure, I'm out.

Ironhidensh wrote:So here is a discussion point: given the ridiculous inflation that Takara is starting to show on the MP line, how many of us are going to abbandon the collection of it?

Beast Wars Megatron is a full $100 more expensive than MP36. In the images we have so far, I see zero evidence for this increase, and as badly as I want this figure, I'm out.

if the trend continues, I will continue to get characters that are meaningful to me, like the movie guys, targetmasters, and Trailbreaker, but I will be far more picky.

Honestly, I paid $180 for MP SG Prime, and he is the most expensive Transformer in my collection, and rightfully so. Arfire was $135, Swipe $40ish, Rodimus $95, and the MPMs either $80 or $100.

Actually, the MPMs bring up an excellent point: MPM Optimus, who is ridiculously complex, almost on par with MP-36, cost $100 or $140 based on where you got him. So how the hell are we getting something 3 times the price of him that is maybe the same size and less complex most likely. Lights, electronics, and the accessories are not worth double the figure price.

Or maybe this is Takara subtly saying Beast Wars fan are far more successful than G1 fans

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Honestly, I paid $180 for MP SG Prime, and he is the most expensive Transformer in my collection, and rightfully so. Arfire was $135, Swipe $40ish, Rodimus $95, and the MPMs either $80 or $100.

Wohoa, nice deal on Swipe!

Actually, the MPMs bring up an excellent point: MPM Optimus, who is ridiculously complex, almost on par with MP-36, cost $100 or $140 based on where you got him. So how the hell are we getting something 3 times the price of him that is maybe the same size and less complex most likely. Lights, electronics, and the accessories are not worth double the figure price.

Firstly, I really do not find MPM Optimus to be close to being as complex to Megatron. Like not even close. The shoulders alone on Megatron are more complex than that toy. Instead, MPM OP is very similar to the previous ROTF leader if we have to find a toy to match that complexity to.

Also, we all know why MPM Optimus cost so little, they saved all that QC money and passed the svings onto us

william-james88 wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Honestly, I paid $180 for MP SG Prime, and he is the most expensive Transformer in my collection, and rightfully so. Arfire was $135, Swipe $40ish, Rodimus $95, and the MPMs either $80 or $100.

Wohoa, nice deal on Swipe!

Got him from Cram, poor guy still sort of regrets passing him on

william-james88 wrote:

Actually, the MPMs bring up an excellent point: MPM Optimus, who is ridiculously complex, almost on par with MP-36, cost $100 or $140 based on where you got him. So how the hell are we getting something 3 times the price of him that is maybe the same size and less complex most likely. Lights, electronics, and the accessories are not worth double the figure price.

Firstly, I really do not find MPM Optimus to be close to being as complex to Megatron. Like not even close. The shoulders alone on Megatron are more complex than that toy. Instead, MPM OP is very similar to the previous ROTF leader if we have to find a toy to match that complexity to.

Also, we all know why MPM Optimus cost so little, they saved all that QC money and passed the svings onto us

Even so, I doubt BW Megs is any more complex than any of the movie MPs. he actually looks pretty straight forward.

Transformers Chile wrote:This gigantic creation is one of the jewels of the transformers collectors club. Its measures are 4 metres long by 3 wide and 1.2 high, it can be without problems carrying dozens of deluxe size figures inside and even has a lighting system.

My respects to a group that shows that fans organized and with perseverance can do something impressive.

^ A random look on Social Media, brought up this interesting fan made piece. I assumed MP figures within, so I thought this would be a good place to leave it to discussion.


Meanwhile

So far I only have three of the MP collection, I would rate them as such:

1. MP32 - Optimus Primal
2. MP40 - Hot Rodimus
3. MP34 - Cheetor

We'll see how this list changes with Dinobot and Shadow Panther added by the end of the year. As for whether I would continue to buy the MP line? Yes, with a caveat. Other than MP Springer and MP Galvatron, I have no interest in any part of the MP line other than Beast Wars. To that end, the frequency of releases leaves me plenty of time to commit the cash to buy them whenever they appear.

Upon closer look, I don't see any MPs in there. Only CHUG toys.

Ironhidensh wrote:So here is a discussion point: given the ridiculous inflation that Takara is starting to show on the MP line, how many of us are going to abbandon the collection of it?

I'm not. But there's almost no justification for me to stick around. I freely admit the price point for Megs is insane.

Ironhidensh wrote:Beast Wars Megatron is a full $100 more expensive than MP36. In the images we have so far, I see zero evidence for this increase, and as badly as I want this figure, I'm out.

It's sad to see people passing on such an amazing figure. But I understand 100%. I kind of shrugged off Dinobot's pricetag because of his size, parts count, and sorcery of a transformation. But really, it was cause for alarm. Meg's on the other hand, is only slightly bigger, and can't have a bigger parts count or complexity. Compared to Dinobot (and past MP's like 36) it just simply does not add up. At this point it really just seems like gouging for the sake of gouging.

Personally, at the end of the day I'm (begrudgingly) ok with it. MP's don't come out in waves on a TRU shelf 5 at a time, and they really are something special. So I'm still in.

shajaki wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:Beast Wars Megatron is a full $100 more expensive than MP36. In the images we have so far, I see zero evidence for this increase, and as badly as I want this figure, I'm out.

It's sad to see people passing on such an amazing figure. But I understand 100%. I kind of shrugged off Dinobot's pricetag because of his size, parts count, and sorcery of a transformation. But really, it was cause for alarm. Meg's on the other hand, is only slightly bigger, and can't have a bigger parts count or complexity. Compared to Dinobot (and past MP's like 36) it just simply does not add up. At this point it really just seems like gouging for the sake of gouging.

Personally, at the end of the day I'm (begrudgingly) ok with it. MP's don't come out in waves on a TRU shelf 5 at a time, and they really are something special. So I'm still in.

D-Max likes this

It is true, MPs are spaced out enough that even if the price is hard to swallow, it's not 4-8 at a time

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Transformers Chile wrote:This gigantic creation is one of the jewels of the transformers collectors club. Its measures are 4 metres long by 3 wide and 1.2 high, it can be without problems carrying dozens of deluxe size figures inside and even has a lighting system.

My respects to a group that shows that fans organized and with perseverance can do something impressive.

^ A random look on Social Media, brought up this interesting fan made piece. I assumed MP figures within, so I thought this would be a good place to leave it to discussion.


Meanwhile

So far I only have three of the MP collection, I would rate them as such:

1. MP32 - Optimus Primal
2. MP40 - Hot Rodimus
3. MP34 - Cheetor

We'll see how this list changes with Dinobot and Shadow Panther added by the end of the year. As for whether I would continue to buy the MP line? Yes, with a caveat. Other than MP Springer and MP Galvatron, I have no interest in any part of the MP line other than Beast Wars. To that end, the frequency of releases leaves me plenty of time to commit the cash to buy them whenever they appear.

shajaki wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:So here is a discussion point: given the ridiculous inflation that Takara is starting to show on the MP line, how many of us are going to abbandon the collection of it?

I'm not. But there's almost no justification for me to stick around. I freely admit the price point for Megs is insane.

Ironhidensh wrote:Beast Wars Megatron is a full $100 more expensive than MP36. In the images we have so far, I see zero evidence for this increase, and as badly as I want this figure, I'm out.

It's sad to see people passing on such an amazing figure. But I understand 100%. I kind of shrugged off Dinobot's pricetag because of his size, parts count, and sorcery of a transformation. But really, it was cause for alarm. Meg's on the other hand, is only slightly bigger, and can't have a bigger parts count or complexity. Compared to Dinobot (and past MP's like 36) it just simply does not add up. At this point it really just seems like gouging for the sake of gouging.

Personally, at the end of the day I'm (begrudgingly) ok with it. MP's don't come out in waves on a TRU shelf 5 at a time, and they really are something special. So I'm still in.

A have the most optimum solution to this quandary. Ditch the 3rd party stuff and even 1st party and save on for just MP Megs.

Total the savings and you get $300.00. Pragmatic ain't it? No oxygen consumed at all.

I'm really hoping MP Arcee becomes an official thing, and won't be 150 USD. -_- These raising prices suck.