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[Gauntlet101010]

If we're shifting talk to Nemesis Primes, I think the final word for him - for me - are the old Universe Mammoth version and the Legends one with TFC's backpack to give him an edge.

Oh yeah, the Mammoth version, now that's a Nemesis that's fully formed (going by Sabr's fun Nemesis timeline of murder). He has blood on his tusks!

That one remains a favourite since he's so different. While I love the black and teal colours we have going on most of these the Mammoth version is just very different with the primary colour being beige. With the blood coasted tusks to his Dead Matrix that guy brings a lot to the table. And he remains a very articulated figure even after all this time.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

If we're shifting talk to Nemesis Primes, I think the final word for him - for me - are the old Universe Mammoth version and the Legends one with TFC's backpack to give him an edge.

That one was a United toy, not Legends, and was technically not a Nemesis Prime toy since it was sold as "Black Optimus Prime", being the Autobot leader going undercover as a Con.

Pedantics are not needed:

How about you guys, which black redeco of Prime (doesn't have to be Nemesis Prime per se) do you like best so far?

I own only two, the original CR Black Convoy (gotta have the ) and RiD 2001 Spychanger Scourge, but would like to own more. Not just any, the ones that "stick out" if you catch my drift, something the Siege one doesn't do. Like these:


Transformers Universe Nemesis Prime Gallery


Transformers Universe - Classics 2.0 Nemesis Prime (Black Convoy) Gallery

[william-james88]

Not just any, the ones that "stick out" if you catch my drift, something the Siege one doesn't do.

Yeah I catch your drift, I actually think it's something we're all agreeing on at the moment.

[aronjlove]

I would love to have that Siege Nemesis Prime, and I'll probably pay a ridiculous price for him on eBay. But for now, I will have to settle for my KO black SS-38 Optimus Prime as a stand-in.

[Sabrblade]

I do give the Siege Nemesis credit in that it's the first and so far only version of that mold to finally have a clean deco without any battle damage or cel shading paint.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

For me, it's a tie between these two:


The latter is of course one of the most desired of all. Being a show character does that.

@william-james88 re: most Generations Optimus Primes getting black repaints, it's interesting to see how history repeats. Specifically, with Powermaster Optimus Prime getting a black repaint that's just himself rather than an evil knockoff.


I am enjoying Apeface. I posted some of my thoughts earlier.

[-Kanrabat-]

I did once had some "Nemesis Primes" redeco. I sold all of them because they were too similar to the regular Optimuses that I already had and found them redundant.

[Sentinel_Primal]

Oddly enough, SDCC Nemesis Prime is my favorite Nemesis Prime, but not my favorite black repaint. I enjoy the Big Convoy repaint, but I don't consider it Nemesis Prime, and I also enjoy the Go! repaint, but I consider that a CHUG Nova because of the wing pack (or I would if I had one ). SDCC Nemesis Prime just seems to make good use of the Classics Prime mold and I think the black slims the kibble down a bit. Not too much granted because of the mess on the arms, but it still looks pretty nice

[Deadput]

For me since I can just ignore the alt mode's not exactly linking up as well as the battle damage decos being inconsistent with my cleaner figures I really like having my Siege Prime and Magnus go up against POTP Nemesis Prime who is pretty much my Siege Nemesis at least until my actual Siege NP comes.

The height differences between Siege Optimus Prime and Nemesis Prime give for an imposing image, like this isn't just a guy who copies Optimus look but he does it in way where he's bigger and badder then him, for me he's going to be Nemesis Prime on steroids.

As in, like, this is Nemesis Prime in his early days before he makes a name for himself or gets any upgrades, his sword merely being the first step on his journey to being more than just "evil Optimus in black and teal". In this form, he is still so ordinary because he is just beginning his life of villainy.

Reading this is funny for me comparing it to my head canon universe version of Nemesis.

Nemesis Prime, before the war he had a long career upon the Prime Council although back then he was Nominus Prime who was a pioneer for many advancements made to Cybertronian society, his achievements gave way for being labeled with the designation "The Grand Scourge" which was a title only given to the highest among the Scourge Barons which was already a title hard to come by and only given to those of royalty with remarkable accomplishments, his achievements were so great that when Optimus was knighted among the Primes his upgrades were designed based upon the base frame of Nominus.

Despite all the good he did Nominus was only in it for his own pride which pushed him to overcome "impossible tasks" and once he built up Cybertron to the highest high's he thought possible...he made it his next goal to bring it all down, after a mutiny which brought upon his renaming he alone covertly set up the start of a chain of events that would partially lead to Cybertron's downfall although his plan was complete annihilation of his species his plans were thwarted when the Decepticon movement gained traction, Nemesis did not join the Decepticons initially but instead operated as a rogue berserker who slew anyone he came upon becoming infamous as a powerful warrior who could not be taken down, after a fated encounter with Optimus which left him near death he formulated an obsession to the bright beacon of the Autobots, his new goal was to break Optimus by becoming everything he was but twisting it to his own vision before tearing down everything that Optimus valued, he sought out Megatron forcefully by literally slaughtering his way into Decepticon Command and threatening the leader for a place among his ranks, so Nemesis Prime was allowed to join the Decepticons but was placed in the low ranks, this was something Nemesis relished as he was allowed to work his way up the ranks once again in the new Cybertronian society.


TLDR: Nemesis was once named Nominus and was the basis for Optimus Prime's design and not the other way around, he goes crazy and wants to become the antithesis of Optimus Prime and his ideals.

[ZeroWolf]

I quite like the way IDW did it with Nova Prime becoming that universes Nemesis Prime when he fell into the Dead Universe... Till they dropped the moniker faster then a piece of rubbish. In fact Nova lost a lot of standing as a villain after that, playing second fiddle to more important characters like Galvaltron. I'd personally though, stick Nemesis Prime in with the forces of Unicron, like Universe Nemesis Prime. The thought of Unicron having a dark mirror image of one of Primus's iconic defenders,os quite appealing.

[Deadput]

I quite like the way IDW did it with Nova Prime becoming that universes Nemesis Prime when he fell into the Dead Universe... Till they dropped the moniker faster then a piece of rubbish. In fact Nova lost a lot of standing as a villain after that, playing second fiddle to more important characters like Galvaltron. I'd personally though, stick Nemesis Prime in with the forces of Unicron, like Universe Nemesis Prime. The thought of Unicron having a dark mirror image of one of Primus's iconic defenders,os quite appealing.

Yeah I liked Nova Prime as a concept rather then the execution (I liked his cameo/lore in that semi-recent game) where he's portrayed as more heroic before becoming corrupted by Unicron, not to mention his design is wicked, tis a shame the best I can do for him in my collection is being the Combiner Wars Battle Core Optimus which is a great figure on his own as a base for my more heroic Nova Prime just don't have the epic wings or black colors.

Nemesis Prime with my sort of backstory could still work as a Unicron aligned character reminds me of all the Unicron lore I've made up as well, I just prefer Nemesis Prime being a character with at least some origin and personality before ending up in a position like that, don't care much for the drone like Nemesis Primes with nothing to them, what I have in mind is just a pure intelligent psychopath sort of barbarian-like.

[ZeroWolf]

See the character in your head cannon reminds me more of Scourge, which is why I'm open to the title of Nemesis Prime being open to a non-Optimus mold (again similar to Universe Nemmy being a redeco Big Convoy... Okay I know in fiction he was supposed to be an Optimus but you know what I mean)

Good to see that you're building your own cannon up to suit your collection. It's a great writing exercise, hope you're writing it all down. It could inspire a great many fanfiction, that could open further doors. I know a lad that started out that way and then moved on to publishing his own work.

[Sarahthecutevixen]

No shipment from walmart yet. Hope CS was right

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Time for some more detailed thoughts on Apeface.

Robot Mode:
He looks burly and muscular without being quite the squat block that the G1 toy was, and I like how the limbs are have been consolidated compared to the original. The colors work well together, and the articulation is good. The long peg on the Electro Shield allows it to be mounted in the 5mm ports on his elbows, giving it a G1 positioning. The Sonic Boom Rifle isn't a perfect replica of the G1 accessory, but it's obviously modeled off it.

Gorilla Mode:
Getting him into this mode is a bit fiddly, but the result looks quite good and has lovely articulation. The limb consolidation pays off here, too. The head can position better than on the original Apeface, so that's a plus. Speaking of the head, the way they adapted the Horrorcons' triple-changing head gimmick here is brilliant, very well done. I also like that unlike the G1 Apeface toy, there's a dedicated place to mount the gun.

Jet/Starfighter Mode:
Not as sleek forward of the wings as the original toy, sadly, but the back is tidier and as a whole it still looks good. It's a bit fiddly to get him into it, as with gorilla mode, but the result is nice. There is again a dedicated mounting hole for the gun, although it is rather loose out-of-the-box; had to use the old superglue trick. It was almost as bad as Legends Super Ginrai's fists. Perhaps the biggest difficulty is with how the shield covers the rear cockpit (where Spasma is intended to sit). Extracting the long peg from the hole without stressing it has given people trouble, from what I hear. I covered this before, but I've had good luck with grabbing the shield by the fins and gently wiggling it upwards... as well as with lifting the shield from below by jacking the wings up. Regarding the cockpit, it's tight. Mine had some mold flash I had to shave off before Spasma would fit properly.

[TF-fan kev777]

No shipment from walmart yet. Hope CS was right

The original listings all said April 1st for the release date and delivery by April 3rd if you ordered enough for the free 2 day shipping. So I wouldn't start to worry before then.

[Sentinel_Primal]

Jet/Starfighter Mode:
Not as sleek forward of the wings as the original toy, sadly, but the back is tidier and as a whole it still looks good. It's a bit fiddly to get him into it, as with gorilla mode, but the result is nice. There is again a dedicated mounting hole for the gun. Perhaps the biggest difficulty is with how the shield covers the rear cockpit (where Spasma is intended to sit). Extracting the long peg from the hole without stressing it has given people trouble, from what I hear. I covered this before, but I've had good luck with grabbing the shield by the fins and gently wiggling it upwards... as well as with lifting the shield from below by jacking the wings up.

I tend to use a spudger to lift the shield out. Works really well. How's the gun's fit when you peg it into the jet nosecone? Mine's such a loose connection that it just falls out immediately

[-Kanrabat-]

Time for some more detailed thoughts on Apeface.

Me too, but I'll be more TlDr;

Bot: Perfection

Ape: Awesome

Jet: Garbage

Transformation: Fiddly

Overall rating: Not great, but good enough.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Jet/Starfighter Mode:
Not as sleek forward of the wings as the original toy, sadly, but the back is tidier and as a whole it still looks good. It's a bit fiddly to get him into it, as with gorilla mode, but the result is nice. There is again a dedicated mounting hole for the gun. Perhaps the biggest difficulty is with how the shield covers the rear cockpit (where Spasma is intended to sit). Extracting the long peg from the hole without stressing it has given people trouble, from what I hear. I covered this before, but I've had good luck with grabbing the shield by the fins and gently wiggling it upwards... as well as with lifting the shield from below by jacking the wings up.

I tend to use a spudger to lift the shield out. Works really well. How's the gun's fit when you peg it into the jet nosecone? Mine's such a loose connection that it just falls out immediately

Oops, forgot to cover that. To the editmobile!

[Sarahthecutevixen]

No shipment from walmart yet. Hope CS was right

The original listings all said April 1st for the release date and delivery by April 3rd if you ordered enough for the free 2 day shipping. So I wouldn't start to worry before then.

I am aware. I am just posting updates

[Deadput]

See the character in your head cannon reminds me more of Scourge, which is why I'm open to the title of Nemesis Prime being open to a non-Optimus mold (again similar to Universe Nemmy being a redeco Big Convoy... Okay I know in fiction he was supposed to be an Optimus but you know what I mean)

Good to see that you're building your own cannon up to suit your collection. It's a great writing exercise, hope you're writing it all down. It could inspire a great many fanfiction, that could open further doors. I know a lad that started out that way and then moved on to publishing his own work.

Oh for sure the Nemesis title can work for a character that doesn't look like a carbon copy Optimus Prime, I just try to mix up the known names that evil, black Optimus characters tend to have since I try to treat most different takes of characters to be one character such as Energon Ironhide being G1 Ironhide when he was younger, Universe Nemesis was pretty rad and he rocks the mammoth look, actually looks like it would fit my backstory for him.

Yeah I just make up my own universe mostly because I know my collection will never perfectly replicate any existing universe and such since toys tend to come off as different looking then on screen/page portrayals, so if I don't care about stuff like that then my enjoyment of the figures is unaffected by nitpicks like that.

[Sarahthecutevixen]

I think the pick up day scheduled with FedEx for walmart is the 29th. So it doesnt ship the 29th for me but its shipped to them the 29th then they ship magnus to me

[chuckdawg1999]

I was originally feeling Seige Nemesis Prime but now with earthrise its kinda passed since I want to see what they'll do with this mold.

[Sabrblade]

Netflix Ultra Magnus deco revealed.

And the big spoiler is: He's just very VERY muddy, even more than his retail toy was.

[Emerje]

No shipment from walmart yet. Hope CS was right

The original listings all said April 1st for the release date and delivery by April 3rd if you ordered enough for the free 2 day shipping. So I wouldn't start to worry before then.

You two must be closer to the warehouses than I am. Mine still say April 6 and I ordered them early on.

Emerje

[william-james88]

There was a leader class box for the Netflix Transformers series toyline that we did not see the contents yet. It was said to contain spoilers. Well, thanks to images from Robot Kingdom, we now can see what's inside. We knew it would be Ultra Magnus, butwe didn't know the deco. Would he have a cape like in the trailer? Would he be a Decepticon? Would be have Delta Magnus colours?

Well...




None of the above. It's just Magnus looking burnt in certain areas. The real spoiler, if there was one, is Rung who is in clear fuchsia coloured plastic. Well at least now you all know what you are getting here. let us know if you will be getting it or not when it comes to Walmart soon.