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Tramp wrote:Very simple. They still need to wrap up the series for the fans. If you notice, unless a series is abruptly cancelled, they always wrap it up with a Series Finale. That is pretty much what "Season Four" was. It was a three eppisode season finale.

Your just trying to hang on arent you.They were not trying to wrao it up for the fans as can bee seen in the final scene of the episode and in the last words uttered....Zarak says to Galvatron as they are traveling we shall see Galvatron we shall see......Hint Hint it was the hopes that the show would be popular enough to go on for an other season.There were story boards and plot ideas made for how to introduce the prentenders and Powermasters to the series if it had continued.No other carton in the 80's had a series or season finale's.Not even the others prodused by Sunbow/Marvel.Most sitcom's in the 80's didnt have season or series finale's.And in my opinion the return of Optimus Prime would have been a much better series finale the the rebirth ever could have been.

YOU JUST CANT ADMIT WHEN YOU MADE A MISTAKE CAN YOU.YOU KEEP SIDE STEPPING AROUND THE FACTS I'VE SHOWEN YOU AND FOCUSING ON THE FEW THINGS THAT YOU THINK YOUR RIGHT ABOUT!!!!!

craggy wrote:

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Tramp wrote:Actually, Unicron is supposed to be in the later episodes of the BW cartoon. I haven't seen them myself, but others have, and the Ultimate Guide does show images of Unicron during his regeneration after being destroyed. His appearance is similar to the unfinished Deathstar II.

yeah, well I don't know anything about heart surgery, but I have a friend who once went within 50 miles of a hospital so I feel qualified to operate on you if I have to. twat

Craggy, ther is no need for that kind of language. This is supposed to be a friendly debate and discussion. Can we please keep it like that?

Sure we can, sorry. I must have been forgetting how open to accepting new ideas and others opinions we all are on this forum.

Craggy, whether we agree, disagree, or agree to disagree, we don't need to make personal attacks or call people names.

In your case it's not just anme calling, it's accurate. Even the mods are annoyed by your constant arguing and turning topics into novellas.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Tramp wrote:Very simple. They still need to wrap up the series for the fans. If you notice, unless a series is abruptly cancelled, they always wrap it up with a Series Finale. That is pretty much what "Season Four" was. It was a three eppisode season finale.

Your just trying to hang on arent you.They were not trying to wrao it up for the fans as can bee seen in the final scene of the episode and in the last words uttered....Zarak says to Galvatron as they are traveling we shall see Galvatron we shall see......Hint Hint it was the hopes that the show would be popular enough to go on for an other season.There were story boards and plot ideas made for how to introduce the prentenders and Powermasters to the series if it had continued.No other carton in the 80's had a series or season finale's.Not even the others prodused by Sunbow/Marvel.Most sitcom's in the 80's didnt have season or series finale's.And in my opinion the return of Optimus Prime would have been a much better series finale the the rebirth ever could have been.

YOU JUST CANT ADMIT WHEN YOU MADE A MISTAKE CAN YOU.YOU KEEP SIDE STEPPING AROUND THE FACTS I'VE SHOWEN YOU AND FOCUSING ON THE FEW THINGS THAT YOU THINK YOUR RIGHT ABOUT!!!!!

If there were any, I haven't seen them or even heard of them. IF they exist, I have no knowledge of them, How you came by this information I have no idea because this is the first I have heard of it. Can you post some citations? I would be interested in looking these up myself. Not even the Ultimate Guide mentioed any of this.

Shirogoshi wrote:In your case it's not just anme calling, it's accurate. Even the mods are annoyed by your constant arguing and turning topics into novellas.

yeah, but I did ask that he be more entertaining, and this whole trying to make me out to be the bad guy thing is making me laugh, so he's at least kinda on the right track.

Shirogoshi wrote:Tramp, do you not see how frustrating you are? It's easy to resort to namecalling with you. You're annoying, you argue with absolutely everything, and act like you know more than everyone.

Whether someone is frustrating or not because they agree or disagree on a given subject does not make it alright to insult them. Nor does it make it alright to take it or make it personal. People do not have to agree all the time to get along. I am going strictly by the sources I have read. IF your sources are different Then it is a conflict within the sources.

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I've pooven you wrong on 3 points:

1]you claim that Prowl does not fade to grey when he dies,And he does.

2]Your claim that the Japanese series are in the same continuety as the G1 u.s toon

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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Tramp I want to ask you a question.How do the Japanese universes fit into your theroy?I'm not looking for a large debate just looking for your thought on it.

Well, considering that the earlier ones before RID all stemmed directly from the original US G1 cartoon which had been dubbed into Japanese, I would place them in the same continuity as that show.

Then you say

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This of course originated from the Japanese versions, and was addressed in the US comics.
They applied this original process in Armada with Overload, who had a minicon who became the head of the larger body, and in Energon with Omega Supreme. Both were Headmasters who had robot Headmaster partners, not humanoids. Yes, tyey have different histories for the different characters, because they are different continuities, but they are still part of the greater TF canon multiverse.

3] Your claim that the Japanses created their shows after the cancelation of the U.S. series and that the U.S. Headmasters was created to wrap it up for us.The fact is that U.S. headmasters was created in hopes to reignute the flames of the fans and was ment to be the start of a new season that never came to be because the rating's were not that good for the 3 parter.
And as for the Japanises the Japanese Headmasters started airing 7/87 and the U.S. headmasters airred 11/87.The Japanese had a 4 month head start before our show was canceled.

Now try to wiggle you way out of that one.

That is simple, The animation for the US stories were done first, but schedualling is different for US and Japanese. The US season starts in September. I'm not sure when the Japanese season starts, but if the start of "Headmasters is any indication, it's in early-to-mid summer.

But that doesnt take away from the fact that you said the Japanese series started after the cancelation of the U.S. series.Also dont you think the Japanese would have had a head start on the intentions of the U.S. producers.They did not like the idea at first of humans piloting TF's because they felt it would have been to much like so many other show's that were on the air at the time.Transformers was one of a few shows that had living robots.

As far as I know of it did. Everything I have read and been told states that the Japanese Headmasters started after The US series was cancelled. IF that information is incorrect, I have no knowledge of this.

How long do you think it takes to created a animated show?????The planning is at least a year in advance.The idea behind humans incontrol of TF"s at least 2 years before the show was even prodused.The fact is that right after the Japanese saw the script for the return of Optimus Prime they started production on their own series.They didnt want Optimus Prime as leader any more with is proven by the killing of him 2 episodes into the series.The mold for his toy had been on the market since at least 1982 and the market was flooded with knock off's and they couldnt make anymore money on his figure when he was avavalable for more then 1/2 the price that Takara was asking for it.
The notion that in the U.S. market or the Japanese one that the producers were conserend about what the fans might like is LUDIRCRIOUS!!!!!!! The show was a meens to an end and that end was toy sales

Tramp wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Tramp wrote:Very simple. They still need to wrap up the series for the fans. If you notice, unless a series is abruptly cancelled, they always wrap it up with a Series Finale. That is pretty much what "Season Four" was. It was a three eppisode season finale.

Your just trying to hang on arent you.They were not trying to wrao it up for the fans as can bee seen in the final scene of the episode and in the last words uttered....Zarak says to Galvatron as they are traveling we shall see Galvatron we shall see......Hint Hint it was the hopes that the show would be popular enough to go on for an other season.There were story boards and plot ideas made for how to introduce the prentenders and Powermasters to the series if it had continued.No other carton in the 80's had a series or season finale's.Not even the others prodused by Sunbow/Marvel.Most sitcom's in the 80's didnt have season or series finale's.And in my opinion the return of Optimus Prime would have been a much better series finale the the rebirth ever could have been.

YOU JUST CANT ADMIT WHEN YOU MADE A MISTAKE CAN YOU.YOU KEEP SIDE STEPPING AROUND THE FACTS I'VE SHOWEN YOU AND FOCUSING ON THE FEW THINGS THAT YOU THINK YOUR RIGHT ABOUT!!!!!

If there were any, I haven't seen them or even heard of them. IF they exist, I have no knowledge of them, How you came by this information I have no idea because this is the first I have heard of it. Can you post some citations? I would be interested in looking these up myself. Not even the Ultimate Guide mentioed any of this.

Why so you can dismiss them like the other things I have proven to you.You still havent admited any of your other mistakes......but if I find them I'll post them.

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Shirogoshi wrote:Tramp, do you not see how frustrating you are? It's easy to resort to namecalling with you. You're annoying, you argue with absolutely everything, and act like you know more than everyone.

Whether someone is frustrating or not because they agree or disagree on a given subject does not make it alright to insult them. Nor does it make it alright to take it or make it personal. People do not have to agree all the time to get along. I am going strictly by the sources I have read. IF your sources are different Then it is a conflict within the sources.

which as I've said is the problem. You're taking the DW-centric Ultimate Guide as the be-all and end-all when really, very few different Transformers continuities can tie-in with each other.

Tramp, if you don't like being name called, stop being a prat.

Proof needs some citation. Otherwise it can't be verified. I always try to cite my sources.

Tramp wrote:Proof needs some citation. Otherwise it can't be verified. I always try to cite my sources.

I don't even know what you are! Is this meant to be a post actually about something? Are you asking for proof from Shirogoshi that you're a prat? Because this entire topic is pretty much doing it for you.
And you don't appear to have sources. More like a source. The Doring Kindersly Ultimate Guide which was written with Simon Furman for the Dreamwave continuity. The Marvel produced G1 comics have Primus dying to kill Unicron. 'Nuff said.

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Shirogoshi wrote:Tramp, do you not see how frustrating you are? It's easy to resort to namecalling with you. You're annoying, you argue with absolutely everything, and act like you know more than everyone.

Whether someone is frustrating or not because they agree or disagree on a given subject does not make it alright to insult them. Nor does it make it alright to take it or make it personal. People do not have to agree all the time to get along. I am going strictly by the sources I have read. IF your sources are different Then it is a conflict within the sources.

which as I've said is the problem. You're taking the DW-centric Ultimate Guide as the be-all and end-all when really, very few different Transformers continuities can tie-in with each other.

The book itself and Hasbro established it as the difinitive source. That is what it literally says, and that is what I go by. Yes, it is DW-centric, because the DW G1 continuity was established to be the difinitive G1 continuity. IDW is doing a "reboot' continuity seperate from core G1. Based upon their own words, they are likely to pick up where DW lewft off once the bankripcy litigation od finalized. They have already reprinted some DW material, namely War Within.

Which you don't need to do, because unless otherwise stated, it's the Ultimate Guide and MTMTE. Which, as we all know are able to completely do away with 20 plus years of history! And Rebooted means THEIR OWN SEPERATE UNIVERSE! Hey, Tramp, how about instead of reading all the comics and tryin gto put your own spin on them, you read a dictionary instead?

They don't "do away" with anything. They consolidate it into a unified whole and chalk up irreconcilable differences as alternate realities. Everythiong about Primus and Unicron, can be fully reconciled, and has been by the Ultimate Guide. Even Primus' "death" in the Marvel comics.

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craggy wrote:

Tramp wrote:

Shirogoshi wrote:Tramp, do you not see how frustrating you are? It's easy to resort to namecalling with you. You're annoying, you argue with absolutely everything, and act like you know more than everyone.

Whether someone is frustrating or not because they agree or disagree on a given subject does not make it alright to insult them. Nor does it make it alright to take it or make it personal. People do not have to agree all the time to get along. I am going strictly by the sources I have read. IF your sources are different Then it is a conflict within the sources.

which as I've said is the problem. You're taking the DW-centric Ultimate Guide as the be-all and end-all when really, very few different Transformers continuities can tie-in with each other.

The book itself and Hasbro established it as the difinitive source. That is what it literally says, and that is what I go by. Yes, it is DW-centric, because the DW G1 continuity was established to be the difinitive G1 continuity. IDW is doing a "reboot' continuity seperate from core G1. Based upon their own words, they are likely to pick up where DW lewft off once the bankripcy litigation od finalized. They have already reprinted some DW material, namely War Within.

Of course, I fully believe you with this. It is the definitive source for all Tranformers knowledge. Optronix was the name of the character in the original 80s cartoon and Optimus Prime did look like his 2002 War Within self when he appeared in the episode War Dawn. Silly me for forgetting that.
Is there anything in that Ultimate Guide of your's about how to change the colour on a TV set because mine is showing me the Nebulons in Rebirth as green folks, but the Ultimate guide clealy shows them as pink-skinned humanoids, so the DVD I have must be wrong. Hmmmm

Ah ha! There you go again, you freakin' joke account! You said about 5 or more pages back the Ultimate Guide COULD NOT OVERWRITE MARVEL'S COMICS! Now you're saying it has. Ladies and gentlemen, it's official: Tramp is full of crap, and should not be listened to EVER!

Shirogoshi wrote:Ladies and gentlemen, it's official: Tramp is full of crap, and should not be listened to EVER!

I don't believe you, because that's not what it says in the Ultimate Guide.

Ah, but it says in the G1 Cartoon Tramp is full of crap, and since it has evidence which helps myargument, the Ultimate Guide Doesn't matter in this case

Very funny Shirogoshi. The cartoons say nothing of the sort and you know it.

Ah, but the Ultimate Guide says it does, and even though I said it didn't, it does now! Ha ha!

Tramp wrote:Proof needs some citation. Otherwise it can't be verified. I always try to cite my sources.

But you've made other mistake here besides the one's in your sources.First you say the Japan show is in continuity with the U.S. show.....then you say its not ....then you say it is......then you sday that RID is as well.
Can you make up your mind and even when you edited your post about Prowl you still didnt say you made a mistake.
WHY CANT YOU ADMIT YOU MADE A MISTAKE?????

Because he's Tramp. And we all know Tramp knows more than anyone else. So if we think we're right, we're wrong.

You also claimed that Japanese headmasters aired after u.s. Hedmasters and you were wrong about that!!!!!!!Even with the seasons starting at different months over sea's it still doesnt refute that the Japan show was in production a year before the cancelation of the U.S. show. Your claim was that the Japan show was created AFTER the cancelation of the show in the U.S..

FACE IT YOU WERE WRONG!!!!!!!
NOW BE A MAN AND ADMIT IT!!!!!!!!!!

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:You also claimed that Japanese headmasters aired after u.s. Hedmasters and you were wrong about that!!!!!!!Even with the seasons starting at different months over sea's it still doesnt refute that the Japan show was in production a year before the cancelation of the U.S. show. Your claim was that the Japan show was created AFTER the cancelation of the show in the U.S..

FACE IT YOU WERE WRONG!!!!!!!
NOW BE A MAN AND ADMIT IT!!!!!!!!!!

I said, to my knowledge, it did. And there is no need to make the letters so big.