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Postby Burn » Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:55 pm

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Flashwave wrote:And on topic, wht have we decided Talon turns into. (Besides a jet?)


... a robot? :???:
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Postby Dr. Caelus » Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:57 pm

Flashwave wrote:And on topic, wht have we decided Talon turns into. (Besides a jet?)


The wings look like an F-15's with the distinctive angles at the tips. The spacing between the tail-rudders suggest a model of MIG.

I'm thinking a distorted F-15 though.
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Postby Burn » Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:26 pm

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If they're based on a TF don't we name them after that TF though?
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Postby Dr. Caelus » Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:01 pm

Burn wrote:If they're based on a TF don't we name them after that TF though?


For the "source image" in the reference page yah, but for the "desc" that appears on the character page, or the text that pops up when you hold the cursor over the icon, we usually try to get the most specific description of the altmode.

Only exception that comes to mind is "Snow-Cat" which is iffy, since I think that's actually the name of the GIJoe vehicle he's based on.
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Postby Flashwave » Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:03 pm

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Burn wrote:If they're based on a TF don't we name them after that TF though?


For the "source image" in the reference page yah, but for the "desc" that appears on the character page, or the text that pops up when you hold the cursor over the icon, we usually try to get the most specific description of the altmode.

Only exception that comes to mind is "Snow-Cat" which is iffy, since I think that's actually the name of the GIJoe vehicle he's based on.


Yeah, Snow-Cat was named for the vehicle. As for Talon, the clsest mig you get is the Mig 29. But the wing isn't right. We have enough 15s running around, but I think that's what he is.
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Postby Ouroboros » Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:43 pm

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This sounds like a late point to make, but should this thread be stickied, it is quite important?
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Postby Mkall » Sat Oct 20, 2007 5:28 pm

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Hollow One wrote:This sounds like a late point to make, but should this thread be stickied, it is quite important?


There's a link to it in the FAQ thread. I really don't want to clutter the top of the page with stickies.
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Postby Ouroboros » Sat Oct 20, 2007 5:35 pm

Motto: "Embrace the cycle of life. Always beginning, always ending."
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Mkall wrote:
Hollow One wrote:This sounds like a late point to make, but should this thread be stickied, it is quite important?


There's a link to it in the FAQ thread. I really don't want to clutter the top of the page with stickies.


Ok then, just a thought.
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Postby Whitestorm » Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:02 pm

This might seem like a dumb question, but whats the difference between core, common and rare?
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Postby Dragonslayer » Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:07 pm

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Norterbies wrote:This might seem like a dumb question, but whats the difference between core, common and rare?

Core alts will always be in the current rotation. Common alts are not always there, but you won't have to wait a long time to see it again. Rare alts, you will have to wait a long time to see it again. Knowing the rarity of your alts is critical when deciding when to reset a character.
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Postby Tammuz » Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:08 pm

the frequency of them showing up on the alt rotator

Core - permanantly available
Common - moderatley available
Rare - not often available.
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Postby Omega Charge » Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:09 pm

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It has to do with how the alts are rotated. Core alts are always available,common come around every third or fourth rotation, and rare is a very small group so the alts in that group are not available often.
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Postby Omega Charge » Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:10 pm

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man I wait for 2 minutes to reply and already two guys beat me to it. :)
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Postby Whitestorm » Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:46 pm

thanks guys. Makes a lot of sense. I have seen that there will be shed loads of alts available. rare ones seem kinda like the ones no one wants to me. Will alt modes be a thing to aspire to by winning tournaments or gaining levels?

....

Looking through my new alt list i see lots of nw tactics. Very exciting. Many of them i have no idea about and have guessed about the others. Please read my list and point me if it has already been answered. Thanks again.

avoid - Speaks for itself. Does anyone get bonus points for avoiding?
catch - is that like a paralise move valid until hit?
fireblast - Is that like strafe but one hit divided among opponents?
anti air - does that only apply to flying alt modes and is it extra effective?
ram - is that an extra strong hit and does it stun an opponent?
bite - errr?
slash - errrr again?
tarfetmaster - errrr just doesnt cover it?
headmaster - is absolute confusion?
charge - charge up an impending attack?
repar - i guess means recover some damage to yourself?
Multi repair - would be like a reverse strafe?
absorb - like a repair?
dogfight - most perplexing but is only aplicable to airial alts?
drop - now i am thinking i have entirely the wrong handle on everything!

and why isnt there an air to ground and is there a difference between a ship and a lion?
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Postby Whitestorm » Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:48 pm

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Postby Windracer » Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:18 pm

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Norterbies wrote:avoid - Speaks for itself. Does anyone get bonus points for avoiding?


Last I checked, 50 pts per avoid. Not sure if that will change in V2, but that also raises the question: will there be any <i>other</i> tactics that give you a bonus? Could, say, Catch and Absorb net you points, maybe?

catch - is that like a paralise move valid until hit?

I believe Catch is a tactic where you chase down an avoiding opponent and cancel out their tactic. Though I wonder if an avoider is Caught, will any damage be sustained?

EDIT: wait, now I see what you mean. That's a good question, actually... :-?

fireblast - Is that like strafe but one hit divided among opponents?

If I remember right, Fireblast is like strafe, but it can hit air, land, AND sea targets.

anti air - does that only apply to flying alt modes and is it extra effective?

Anti-Air is a specialized strafing move, limited to striking airborne targets. I think...

ram - is that an extra strong hit and does it stun an opponent?

I think Ram will remain the same, but don't quote me on that. As for the stun, I hope it stays just the way it is.

bite - errr?

Lol, it's kinda self explanitory, and mainly for animal alt modes. the Transformer transforms and viciously bites an enemy, is the best way to describe it. XD

slash - errrr again?

I'm kinda curious too. Is it going to be Bite with a different name, or will there be other effects? For example, bite possessing stun while slash doesn't, etc etc...

targetmaster - errrr just doesnt cover it?

Targetmaster is a tactic where... er... your targetmaster partner transforms into a weapon and attacks? Kinda like Kremzeek does now, but without the fun of hugs and Energon curry?

headmaster - is absolute confusion?

The Transformer using the tactic will revert to it's alternate mode, while the headmaster partner attacks. If you're not familiar with head- and targetmasters, you may want to poke around and look for a proper explanation. I hardly know what they are m'self. XD

charge - charge up an impending attack?

Think of it as a strafe attack that only affects ground units. More for tanks and large animals - picture them in their alt mode, charging head-first into a group of gathered enemies and sending them all flying.

repar - i guess means recover some damage to yourself?

Yeah, you transform and repair a teammate. There used to be self-repair, but that was dropped pretty soon when people started exploiting it.

Multi repair - would be like a reverse strafe?

Yeah, more or less. You repair multiple teammates at the same time, so it's like a repair/strafe.

absorb - like a repair?

I believe Absorb is more like Avoid, just shrugging off the damage.

dogfight - most perplexing but is only aplicable to airial alts?

Yeah, it's an Air vs. Air tactic. Not sure if it will be a one-hit deal, or something like strafe with multiple hits.

drop - now i am thinking i have entirely the wrong handle on everything!

It's an air tactic, you basically pick up an enemy and drop them from a high altitude to achieve damage. At least, that's what I understand. XD

and why isnt there an air to ground?

I believe Strafe will become the air-to-ground attack in V2, and Fireblast / Shell / whatever we're going to call it will be the "hit everything regardless of wether it's in the air or on the ground" tactic.

Hope that cleared things up a bit. :)
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Postby Flashwave » Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:25 pm

Motto: "Our society's downfall will not be this war. The war IS our society. That which will get us will be the little things. Some humanoid race, some tossed cannon, the little things that no one looks out for. THAT is for what we must be vigilant."
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Norterbies wrote:thanks guys. Makes a lot of sense. I have seen that there will be shed loads of alts available. rare ones seem kinda like the ones no one wants to me. Will alt modes be a thing to aspire to by winning tournaments or gaining levels?

....

Looking through my new alt list i see lots of nw tactics. Very exciting. Many of them i have no idea about and have guessed about the others. Please read my list and point me if it has already been answered. Thanks again.

avoid - Speaks for itself. Does anyone get bonus points for avoiding?
catch - is that like a paralise move valid until hit?
fireblast - Is that like strafe but one hit divided among opponents?
anti air - does that only apply to flying alt modes and is it extra effective?
ram - is that an extra strong hit and does it stun an opponent?
bite - errr?
slash - errrr again?
tarfetmaster - errrr just doesnt cover it?
headmaster - is absolute confusion?
charge - charge up an impending attack?
repar - i guess means recover some damage to yourself?
Multi repair - would be like a reverse strafe?
absorb - like a repair?
dogfight - most perplexing but is only aplicable to airial alts?
drop - now i am thinking i have entirely the wrong handle on everything!

and why isnt there an air to ground and is there a difference between a ship and a lion?


Click here you must. Scroll down to number 8 you will.

Nevermind...
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Postby Whitestorm » Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:42 pm

thanks Windracer. You took a loot of time to explain stuff to me. Makes more sense now.
And thank Flashwave for pointing out i had missed stuff i didnt understand yesterday! Makes a whole lot more sense now.
Kudos to you both but Windracer wins cos he has JAZZHANDS!
...("*please god dont let me have JAZZ HANDS tomorrow at work!*")...
Forgive me if i am wrong. Alt modes are not going to be of a significant value until at least the first upgrade?
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Postby Flashwave » Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:44 pm

Motto: "Our society's downfall will not be this war. The war IS our society. That which will get us will be the little things. Some humanoid race, some tossed cannon, the little things that no one looks out for. THAT is for what we must be vigilant."
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Norterbies wrote:thanks Windracer. You took a loot of time to explain stuff to me. Makes more sense now.
And thank Flashwave for pointing out i had missed stuff i didnt understand yesterday! Makes a whole lot more sense now.
Kudos to you both but Windracer wins cos she has JAZZHANDS!
...("*please god dont let me have JAZZ HANDS tomorrow at work!*")...
Forgive me if i am wrong. Alt modes are not going to be of a significant value until at least the first upgrade?


She. She has da hands. She is the graphics artist for HMW.
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Postby Flashwave » Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:45 pm

Motto: "Our society's downfall will not be this war. The war IS our society. That which will get us will be the little things. Some humanoid race, some tossed cannon, the little things that no one looks out for. THAT is for what we must be vigilant."
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Postby Whitestorm » Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:58 pm

:oops:
Windracer has the Jazzhands and is the teach we all wish we had! Drwas dragons and knows her HMW's...Ladyfine...Windracer.
Enogh suck up? I think so...
**edit** the batteries on my eyboard are not dead yet. they gt replaced when it sops wokig altogeter
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Postby Flashwave » Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:16 pm

Motto: "Our society's downfall will not be this war. The war IS our society. That which will get us will be the little things. Some humanoid race, some tossed cannon, the little things that no one looks out for. THAT is for what we must be vigilant."
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Norterbies wrote::oops:
Windracer has the Jazzhands and is the teach we all wish we had! Drwas dragons and knows her HMW's...Ladyfine...Windracer.
Enogh suck up? I think so...
**edit** the batteries on my eyboard are not dead yet. they gt replaced when it sops wokig altogeter


missing a few letters are we?

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Norterbies wrote::oops:
Windracer has the Jazzhands and is the teacher we all wish we had! Draws dragons and knows her HMW's...Ladyfine...Windracer.
Enogh suck up? I think so...
**edit** the batteries on my keyboard are not dead yet. they get replaced when it stops working altogether


(sorry, I make mistakes too. But eww.)
And the trailing off? mised a meaning in there.
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Postby Whitestorm » Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:49 pm

Is inviting a reply, however innoquous baiting?
Tail out due to respect and humbling for previous replies in other forums.
Dodgy angle of decepticon sig on Flashwave's sig...priceless.
Thanks guys n gals. I am enlightened. HMW2 isnt as scarey as i thought. Kudos ty.
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Postby Flashwave » Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:53 pm

Motto: "Our society's downfall will not be this war. The war IS our society. That which will get us will be the little things. Some humanoid race, some tossed cannon, the little things that no one looks out for. THAT is for what we must be vigilant."
Weapon: Twin Shoulder-Mounted Rocket Launchers
Norterbies wrote:Is inviting a reply, however innoquous baiting?
Tail out due to respect and humbling for previous replies in other forums.
Dodgy angle of decepticon sig on Flashwave's sig...priceless.
Thanks guys n gals. I am enlightened. HMW2 isnt as scarey as i thought. Kudos ty.


Can't take credit for that. as for the rest, I don't follow.

Good to see you know what your doing. Tragets aren't as fun if they're lost. :twisted:
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Postby Mkall » Sun Oct 21, 2007 8:46 pm

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I just thought I'd interrupt here with an update on where I'm at here with this.

By midnight tonight (pacific time) I'll have completed a database giving each alt the alt description, alt class, and the alt rarities for each faction completed. I will then upload this database to OS for him to run the various scripts on, which should make the alt migration process a lot easier on his end. After making sure that everything is where it should be in the seibs DB, I'll wash my hands and call myself done.

I've realized as I was going through each individual alt filename, that I missed a few that are already in the /heavymetalwar/images/ folder. Rest assured that they will show up with the first alt expansion pack, which I haven't even begun to deal with and probably won't for some time.

I'm getting awfully sick of these things and I can't wait to be done :P
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