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News Credits: 767 · by **Dead Metal** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:25 pm

Editor wrote:His mask is mentioned in the book.

It was a specially made dress made from technology that Dr Manhatten made possible, except that the woman who ordered it (Kitty Genovese) din't like it, Kovacs took the dress and used it to make his "Face"

I thought that the way they did his mask worked great.

It's strange one of the few things that did bug me in the movie was that when I read the book ages ago, I didn't pick up that "Sign Guy" that was always in the background was Rorshach until he was revealed, however with the movie, My GF who hasn't read the book was able to figure it out by the funeral, as he stood out a heck of a lot more.

Jackie Earle Haley did a brilliant job both as Rorshach and as "Kovacs", he really was able to pull the character right of the page and onto the screen.

Thanks.
Sign guy was Rorshach?! :shock:

I didn't notice, what stood on his sign anyway?

News Credits: 9 · by **Editor** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:47 pm

Honestly I can't remember exactly. I would have to check my copy when I get home.

Off Hand I'm sure it's a basic "end is near" type, but seeing the prequal game coming out is "The End is Nigh" I'm thinking that is what is on his sign.

What really pisses me off is that It was filmed close to my place but I didn't find out until after they had finished. My buddy drove by the place a couple weeks ago and they've already started disassembling the outdoor street set. Had I known before hand I would have tried to get some pictures.

News Credits: 402 · by **Mkall** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:01 am

I absolutely loved that movie. 3 hours have never gone by so fast or have felt that rewarding. (at least never when a woman's not involved)

Whoever played Rorshach/Kovacs deserves some type of award.

by **Predaprince** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:18 pm

Mkall wrote:I absolutely loved that movie. 3 hours have never gone by so fast or have felt that rewarding. (at least never when a woman's not involved)

Whoever played Rorshach/Kovacs deserves some type of award.

I agree with all of these statements. Rorshach easily was the best actor and character in the film and had the voice that should have been as Batman in the begins and TDK. I also enjoyed the scenes with Rorshach and Nite Owl as it showed the interaction of these two characters that are parodies/homages of two different forms of Batman (like two sides of the same coin).

The only thing that confused me (haven't read the novel yet) was, in the flashbacks of Ozymandis' actions, it showed him giving the people cancer or something with a device. What was that device and when did he do that? Was it after Dr. Manhattan was created and was still with his first girlfriend?

News Credits: 9 · by **Editor** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:33 pm

He didn't give anyone Cancer.

He took advantage of the fact those people had cancer, and an association with Dr. Manhatten to pose the question of did they get it from being near him.

It's the Fox News/Nancy Grace guilt by association tabloid type reporting, used this way to create a fear of Dr. M, so he would leave, as Adrian knew that John had the ability to stop him had he been on earth.

He did invent the machine that blocked John's ability to see into the future, and adapted John's reacter to power the S.Q.U.I.D. weapon.

News Credits: 1 · by **Venomous Prime** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:58 pm

Ok, just got home from seeing it. I've gotta say, its amazing. One of the best movies I've ever seen. The acting was pretty awesome.

One thing though, maybe I missed it, but how did the prison riot start? How the hell did so many prisoners get out of their cells?

by **Halo** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:41 pm

I loved the movie. It was the best use of 3 hours I've used in a long, long time.

News Credits: 487 · by **Darth Bombshell** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:07 am

original sin wrote:One thing though, maybe I missed it, but how did the prison riot start? How the hell did so many prisoners get out of their cells?

I'm pretty sure the implication is that Big Figure paid off the prisoners to riot round the same time the guy Rorschach killed by throwing the fry vat full of cooking oil at him died, so as to make it easier for him and his goons to get to him.

News Credits: 1 · by **Venomous Prime** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:45 am

Darth Bombshell wrote:
original sin wrote:One thing though, maybe I missed it, but how did the prison riot start? How the hell did so many prisoners get out of their cells?

I'm pretty sure the implication is that Big Figure paid off the prisoners to riot round the same time the guy Rorschach killed by throwing the fry vat full of cooking oil at him died, so as to make it easier for him and his goons to get to him.

But how did they get out of their cells? That's the part I'm not getting.

News Credits: 34 · by **Supreme Convoy** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:11 am

Predaprince wrote:What was that device and when did he do that? Was it after Dr. Manhattan was created and was still with his first girlfriend?

A cigarette machine? (I figured it was some carcinogen)

I think Adrian exposed the gas to the victims when Manhattan started going out with Laurie.

original sin wrote:But how did they get out of their cells? That's the part I'm not getting.

I could've sworn in the comics, Big Figure had alliances with the guards. :CON:

by **Lorekeeper** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:28 am

Editor wrote:He didn't give anyone Cancer.

He took advantage of the fact those people had cancer, and an association with Dr. Manhatten to pose the question of did they get it from being near him.

Most of the folks that got cancer were atomic physicists! Of course they got cancer, they were experimenting with all kinds of exotic radiations. How many scientists and soldiers who worked around the A-Bomb got cancer?

Moloch's cancer was probably just a lucky bonus to Ozzy's scheme.

by **Nickolai** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:54 am

Haven't seen the movie yet - does Wally stuff Big Figure in the toilet?

News Credits: 9 · by **Editor** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:32 am

Randall K. Orton wrote:Haven't seen the movie yet - does Wally stuff Big Figure in the toilet?

Yes, but off camera. If you haven't read the book, It's simply Kovacs following him into a bathroom and a pool of blood coming out under the door. If you have read the book, then you know what happened behind the closed door.

Like Cyberstrike on Facebook · by **Cyberstrike** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:32 pm

It was better than I expected and I have to admit that I thought the new ending was pretty cool,and worked very well plus they had a nice shout out to it by having the opening to "The Outer Limits" where Moore said he got the idea for the giant squid thing. Overall I'm glad they left The Tales of the Black Feighter out of it even in the book it seemed more of a filler and never made any sense to me.

The story, acting, pacing, special effects, music, and direction was great. I did feel some of the make up especially for the actor playing Nixon, Matt Fewer, and Carla Gagula when she's the "old" woman was the only weak thing in the film.

Plus did anyone catch Gary Chalk's camero as one of the generals talking to Nixon?

News Credits: 9 · by **Editor** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:50 pm

I was going to post about that but I thought I should try and confirm it was Gary before doing so. I tried to spot his name in the credits but didn't catch it. Makes me wonder how many other "Vancouver Specials" I could have missed in there. I did see one other but as she's a local newscaster, she is of much lesser interest than Gary.

The make-up didn't bother me as much as that another movie in theaters a short while ago featured a much better Nixon. (Frost/Nixon)

And I liked Matt Fewer as Moloch, I was actualy more worried before hand that they would over-do him so he would look more vampiric for some reason. i'm glad they went for the tired look he had.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:26 pm

Cyberstrike wrote:Overall I'm glad they left The Tales of the Black Feighter out of it even in the book it seemed more of a filler and never made any sense to me.

I didn't like Tales of the Black Freighter all that much. I couldn't help but think "Alright, we get it, the guy is insane. Get the show on the road!"

Editor wrote:The make-up didn't bother me as much as that another movie in theaters a short while ago featured a much better Nixon. (Frost/Nixon)

That's saying a lot considering the guy in Frost/Nixon didn't look or sound like Richard Nixon.

News Credits: 9 · by **Editor** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:34 pm

Shadowman wrote:That's saying a lot considering the guy in Frost/Nixon didn't look or sound like Richard Nixon.

It's not an audio/vision issue, it's a better actor with a better portrayal.

And that's a knock at the use of Nixon, which the movie required, and not at the movie in general.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:51 pm

Editor wrote:
Shadowman wrote:That's saying a lot considering the guy in Frost/Nixon didn't look or sound like Richard Nixon.

It's not an audio/vision issue, it's a better actor with a better portrayal.

Except being a great actor and giving a great performance means little when you don't look or sound like the person you're supposed to be playing.

News Credits: 1 · by **Venomous Prime** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:50 pm

I didn't see anything wrong with the Nixon in Watchmen.

Also, in the credits at the end it says "Military Generals" and has Gary Chalk under that. Along with another name that I can't remember.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:32 pm

original sin wrote:I didn't see anything wrong with the Nixon in Watchmen.

I was talking about the guy in Frost/Nixon, who didn't look or sound like Nixon.

News Credits: 487 · by **Darth Bombshell** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:05 am

Editor wrote:I was going to post about that but I thought I should try and confirm it was Gary before doing so. I tried to spot his name in the credits but didn't catch it. Makes me wonder how many other "Vancouver Specials" I could have missed in there.

original sin wrote:Along with another name that I can't remember.

Would that happen to be Alessandro Juliani, aka Felix Gaeta, aka Nightscream?

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:28 am

Editor wrote:He didn't give anyone Cancer.

He took advantage of the fact those people had cancer, and an association with Dr. Manhatten to pose the question of did they get it from being near him.

It's the Fox News/Nancy Grace guilt by association tabloid type reporting, used this way to create a fear of Dr. M, so he would leave, as Adrian knew that John had the ability to stop him had he been on earth.

He did invent the machine that blocked John's ability to see into the future, and adapted John's reacter to power the S.Q.U.I.D. weapon.

Actually they do imply that Ozymandis created a devise that gave DR.M's ex cancer.

Predaprince wrote: I also enjoyed the scenes with Rorshach and Nite Owl as it showed the interaction of these two characters that are parodies/homages of two different forms of Batman (like two sides of the same coin).

Actually Night Owl is based on Blue Bettle and Rorshach is based on 2 different comic characters, Mr.At and The Question.

News Credits: 1 · by **Venomous Prime** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:10 am

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Predaprince wrote: I also enjoyed the scenes with Rorshach and Nite Owl as it showed the interaction of these two characters that are parodies/homages of two different forms of Batman (like two sides of the same coin).

Actually Night Owl is based on Blue Bettle and Rorshach is based on 2 different comic characters, Mr.At and The Question.

Nite Owl is based on Blue Beetle and Batman.

News Credits: 9 · by **Editor** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 11:45 am

Darth Bombshell wrote:Would that happen to be Alessandro Juliani, aka Felix Gaeta, aka Nightscream?

I actually missed Gambit Gaeta, oh well something to watch out for when the DVD comes out.

News Credits: 487 · by **Darth Bombshell** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:36 pm

Editor wrote:I actually missed Gambit Gaeta, oh well something to watch out for when the DVD comes out.

I missed it the first time, too. Of course, I didn't know till I got to the credits and spotted the name. Then when I went to watch it the second time, I missed it again.