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william-james88 wrote:Emerje wrote:BW Prowl is easily one of the best late line Deluxe new mold figures, he's a lot of fun. Not sure what Will has against him, I know he's a fan favorite around here at least. He should certainly make it on a top 5 list of bird Transformers.
Emerje
He is overly simplistic, has the whole bot undercarriage problem, adds so little to the combiner and he also has GPS.
So yeah, not a big fan.
Burn wrote:Let it be known, I murdered Amelie.
Accidentally.
Amelie wrote:- They are clearly alternate reality versions of the same guy. (Car Robots Prowl and G1 Prowl, for example).
Kurona wrote:william-james88 wrote:Emerje wrote:BW Prowl is easily one of the best late line Deluxe new mold figures, he's a lot of fun. Not sure what Will has against him, I know he's a fan favorite around here at least. He should certainly make it on a top 5 list of bird Transformers.
Emerje
He is overly simplistic, has the whole bot undercarriage problem, adds so little to the combiner and he also has GPS.
So yeah, not a big fan.
My mistake; I forgot Silverbolt was the bird and Prowl was the lion.
Emerje wrote:Kurona wrote:william-james88 wrote:Emerje wrote:BW Prowl is easily one of the best late line Deluxe new mold figures, he's a lot of fun. Not sure what Will has against him, I know he's a fan favorite around here at least. He should certainly make it on a top 5 list of bird Transformers.
Emerje
He is overly simplistic, has the whole bot undercarriage problem, adds so little to the combiner and he also has GPS.
So yeah, not a big fan.
My mistake; I forgot Silverbolt was the bird and Prowl was the lion.
You both did. Bird Prowl is the TM2 owl (Prowl II), combiner Prowl is the lion. The bird with the GPS is Silverbolt. That owl is a fun toy, though I have to admit I had to grow to like it.
Emerje
Kurona wrote:Amelie wrote:- They are clearly alternate reality versions of the same guy. (Car Robots Prowl and G1 Prowl, for example).
Is he, though? Is he really? He doesn't have any of the same visual cues, not even the head; hell, in Japan he was given a completely different name and only re-named 'Prowl' when Hasbro got ahold of him.
Kurona wrote:Amelie wrote:- They are clearly alternate reality versions of the same guy. (Car Robots Prowl and G1 Prowl, for example).
Is he, though? Is he really? He doesn't have any of the same visual cues, not even the head; hell, in Japan he was given a completely different name and only re-named 'Prowl' when Hasbro got ahold of him.
Burn wrote:Let it be known, I murdered Amelie.
Accidentally.
Amelie wrote:Kurona wrote:Amelie wrote:- They are clearly alternate reality versions of the same guy. (Car Robots Prowl and G1 Prowl, for example).
Is he, though? Is he really? He doesn't have any of the same visual cues, not even the head; hell, in Japan he was given a completely different name and only re-named 'Prowl' when Hasbro got ahold of him.
Well - he is and he isn't. He is a police car, first and foremost.Because he's also Mach Alert (which you could argue makes him Red Alert in some sense).
I wouldn't object to seeing RID Prowl in a Prowl list and Car Robots Mach Alert in a Red Alert list.
Amelie wrote:Kurona wrote:Amelie wrote:- They are clearly alternate reality versions of the same guy. (Car Robots Prowl and G1 Prowl, for example).
Is he, though? Is he really? He doesn't have any of the same visual cues, not even the head; hell, in Japan he was given a completely different name and only re-named 'Prowl' when Hasbro got ahold of him.
Well - he is and he isn't. He is a police car, first and foremost.Because he's also Mach Alert (which you could argue makes him Red Alert in some sense).
I wouldn't object to seeing RID Prowl in a Prowl list and Car Robots Mach Alert in a Red Alert list.
Overcracker wrote:That mold was also repainted into Universe Red... err... Inferno, Universe Inferno, but looked suspiciously like Red Alert.![]()
Would you use that repaint in a G1 Inferno list, or a Red Alert list?
Burn wrote:Let it be known, I murdered Amelie.
Accidentally.
Amelie wrote:Overcracker wrote:That mold was also repainted into Universe Red... err... Inferno, Universe Inferno, but looked suspiciously like Red Alert.![]()
Would you use that repaint in a G1 Inferno list, or a Red Alert list?
Clearly he's Inferno.
Gauntlet101010 wrote:It depends on the spirit of the list. IMO, there's two different kinds of lists you can make. One about the spirit of the character - one which includes homages - and one that is about the name and name only.
I'm very much into G1 Hot Rod. You have the usual, but I also include Excelleon and Super SpeedBreaker. Excelleon is very much based on G1 Hot Rod and SSB also seemed like an attempt to update the G1 look for a modern era. BUT SpeedBreaker himself wouldn't count. Him being blue is just different enough to not include him. Ditto regular Armada Hot Shot, but not his superlink form.
So, basically, toys that are derived from the design elements of the original version would count in this sort of list.
In terms of movie Wheeljack, the one with the G1esque head and deco would count. The regular Que would not. Energon Downshift would count. Armada Wheeljack would not. To me the stylistic choices for Armada Wheeljack make him belong to the Sideswipe list.
So there's a list that evokes the sprit of the original. This is pretty flexible. Would Cloud Rodimus count? Would Botcon SG Galvatron count towards a similar Galvy list? Judgement calls.
And then there's a list that's just about the names. Which ... isn't very satisfying. To me, when I'm looking at a list like that I want a comparison of toys with similar design features, not just a list of TFs with the same name. There's no point in comparing Beast Wars Inferno to G1 Inferno. They have nothing in common.
Ultimately it boils down to a judgement call. When does a new design become too different? It boils down to which design elements you feel are important and what the intention is behind the design. Some designs are meant to derive form the original. Others just share the name and nothing else.
TK415 wrote:Hey,
What are some other examples?
Burn wrote:Let it be known, I murdered Amelie.
Accidentally.
TK415 wrote: Best version of commonalities or spirit or essence of a character, even a seed of the character.
william-james88 wrote:TK415 wrote: Best version of commonalities or spirit or essence of a character, even a seed of the character.
Thats awesome, I will definitely use this
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