The Energon Pub

A whole, 2 page long "mistake" thread, and nobody once mentioned Wheelie.

Amazing .

Anyway, I think that it was the annoying kids in the BW-C lines. Stupid kids. Just let Megs step on them!

--B-- wrote:A whole, 2 page long "mistake" thread, and nobody once mentioned Wheelie.

Everybody has a bad day once in a while.. thinks lik BM is a continuous F***fest of bad decisions.

skywarp-2 wrote:We all lost a little something, and I had the same issues too, I didn't even know they brought him back till I was 23.

Counterpunch wrote:Worst mistake Hasbro makes: Allowing Prime to die in the movie.

Worst mistake that we as fans still have to deal with: Beast Machines toys, they are unfortunately bad. Not individually, but as a line. Total lack of scale, inaccurate colors, and in some cases entirely inaccurate molds.

QFT 2nded to both of you. i lost some of myself also back in the day when i first say TFAM, and back then i used to harbor a seeming distrust of Rodimus Prime...he was just...not PRIME.

and BM? the animation of the show was better than BW, but as far as toyline goes, this series takes the slag. the best thing about BW and BW:transmetals/fuzors was at least some, if not most of them, are animation-accurate to a certain degree.

oh, and MASSIVE kudos to IDW for the tEh excellent BW: Gathering comics. man, it's pretty exciting to watch the non-show maximals/predacons get rendered on an official continuity.

The biggest mistake in recent history has to be Hasbros total underestimation of the movie toys. I suppose they saw all those aweful spiderman and Pirates toys sitting on shelves and decided not to make/ship tons of movie toys so as nto to be stuck with them.

As a result after the movie hit, and to this day in most places, there are no transforemrs toys worth mentoning in any of the stores. Hasbo is missing out on a ton of cash because of this. By the time the toys finally do come out, kids will be in school and the movie will be a more distant memory. Yes they will still sell the toys, but not nearly as many as if they had had them there for all the impulse buyers and fresh from the movie kids had had the opportunity at release.



And on a personal note...canning altenators.. man i loved thsoe things G1 characters with awesome new sculpts and detail and articulation... MP lites.. they sold out constantly around here, if I didn't manage to get there when the box was open they were hard as heck to track down. Had to get most of them from Ebay.

Oh well at least classics are still holding on.

Must I really have to write this one down:

Making a line of non-transforming transformers.

Reeeeaaaalllyyy clever.

Skids

EDIT: Although actually the real mistake was in teh marketing. Action Masters could have been marketed back then as PVCs and Revoltech TFs are marketed now - show accurate model toys. Instead Hasbr opted to make them robo-action figures rather than TFs. Bleh.

Beast Machines!

I was too young to watch the G1 cartoon, but I loved the heck out of Beast Wars. Everything about that show was great character development, writing, continuity, toys. I loved everything about it.

Then along comes Beast Machines . You'd think taking the brilliance that was Beast Wars its writting and characters,and putting in a setting like Cybertron would be pure gold. They screwed up pretty much everything they possibly could screw up in that show! I couldn't even stomach it, I was out of transformers till the new Movie partly/wholly because of being turned off by Beast Machines. That and the Unicron Trilogy really didn't hold my interest at all.

Because of that I totally missed out on Alternators . Yes I've decided to blame that lose on Beast Machines... it's just so easy to blame anything on Beast Machines.

Giving Energon the green light

zemper wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:We all lost a little something, and I had the same issues too, I didn't even know they brought him back till I was 23.

Counterpunch wrote:Worst mistake Hasbro makes: Allowing Prime to die in the movie.

Worst mistake that we as fans still have to deal with: Beast Machines toys, they are unfortunately bad. Not individually, but as a line. Total lack of scale, inaccurate colors, and in some cases entirely inaccurate molds.

QFT 2nded to both of you. i lost some of myself also back in the day when i first say TFAM, and back then i used to harbor a seeming distrust of Rodimus Prime...he was just...not PRIME.

and BM? the animation of the show was better than BW, but as far as toyline goes, this series takes the slag. the best thing about BW and BW:transmetals/fuzors was at least some, if not most of them, are animation-accurate to a certain degree.

oh, and MASSIVE kudos to IDW for the tEh excellent BW: Gathering comics. man, it's pretty exciting to watch the non-show maximals/predacons get rendered on an official continuity.

Yes, I think that the Beast Wars Gathering comics are the greatest thing IDW could have ever done with the Transformers verse... not fond of their G-1 take..I prefered the comic/cartoon continuity.. and would have liked them to have made the cartoon continuity better, with their own comics, beginning on Cybertron, with different protoforms...WWI..lets see a new take and new figures instead of the War Within Dreamwave stuff..

Rhapsodyred99 wrote:The biggest mistake in recent history has to be Hasbros total underestimation of the movie toys. I suppose they saw all those aweful spiderman and Pirates toys sitting on shelves and decided not to make/ship tons of movie toys so as nto to be stuck with them.

As a result after the movie hit, and to this day in most places, there are no transforemrs toys worth mentoning in any of the stores. Hasbo is missing out on a ton of cash because of this. By the time the toys finally do come out, kids will be in school and the movie will be a more distant memory. Yes they will still sell the toys, but not nearly as many as if they had had them there for all the impulse buyers and fresh from the movie kids had had the opportunity at release.

You certainly bring up another good arguement.. It's like the toy story days of Buzz lightyears and woody dolls, I couldn't find them for my Daughter or Son anywhere!! which even was made light of in Toy story 2...

But is it possible that it really isn't Hasbro's fault?? In the toy story case.. and I quote ...Short sighted retailers who didn't order enough stock, with no faith in consumer demand.."

That was the issue there.. maybe its the same thing here.. maybe, Hasbro didn't produce enough, because the major retailer orders weren't high enough..because of the sagging and crummy sales of Pirates and Spiderman 3 toys..

because the demand for transformers is huge, and most areas are sold out, really makes us have to wait till months from now for new flows of stock to reach the stores..

Or was it all planned??

In a way Marketing genius, because Hasbro can afford to not overmake stock and still have a guarantee sell out by x-mas!!! effectively making the consumer market think it underproduced but in reality just held back till x-mas..plus the DVD release can coincide with the toys and backstock making a return..

either way it's a mystery...and the transformer collector effectively gets screwed in the short term, but has to scramble come rerelease at x-mas to beat the kids/parents present, consumption, and still hold back money for our own family presents.. what a crazy time that will be!!

we can either go broke, or come away empty handed due to the x-mas rush.. which starts earlier every year!!

neliz wrote:things lik BM is a continuous F***fest of bad decisions.

QFT!

Bonger wrote:Actually, the plastic ones are more sturdy. Ever try and pose a BT? Most of them are too heavy. They are AWESOME in alt mode, but alts blow them away when it comes to poseability.

Word.

skywarp-2 wrote:

zemper wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:We all lost a little something, and I had the same issues too, I didn't even know they brought him back till I was 23.

Counterpunch wrote:Worst mistake Hasbro makes: Allowing Prime to die in the movie.

Worst mistake that we as fans still have to deal with: Beast Machines toys, they are unfortunately bad. Not individually, but as a line. Total lack of scale, inaccurate colors, and in some cases entirely inaccurate molds.

QFT 2nded to both of you. i lost some of myself also back in the day when i first say TFAM, and back then i used to harbor a seeming distrust of Rodimus Prime...he was just...not PRIME.

and BM? the animation of the show was better than BW, but as far as toyline goes, this series takes the slag. the best thing about BW and BW:transmetals/fuzors was at least some, if not most of them, are animation-accurate to a certain degree.

oh, and MASSIVE kudos to IDW for the tEh excellent BW: Gathering comics. man, it's pretty exciting to watch the non-show maximals/predacons get rendered on an official continuity.

Yes, I think that the Beast Wars Gathering comics are the greatest thing IDW could have ever done with the Transformers verse... not fond of their G-1 take..I prefered the comic/cartoon continuity.. and would have liked them to have made the cartoon continuity better, with their own comics, beginning on Cybertron, with different protoforms...WWI..lets see a new take and new figures instead of the War Within Dreamwave stuff..

Rhapsodyred99 wrote:The biggest mistake in recent history has to be Hasbros total underestimation of the movie toys. I suppose they saw all those aweful spiderman and Pirates toys sitting on shelves and decided not to make/ship tons of movie toys so as nto to be stuck with them.

As a result after the movie hit, and to this day in most places, there are no transforemrs toys worth mentoning in any of the stores. Hasbo is missing out on a ton of cash because of this. By the time the toys finally do come out, kids will be in school and the movie will be a more distant memory. Yes they will still sell the toys, but not nearly as many as if they had had them there for all the impulse buyers and fresh from the movie kids had had the opportunity at release.

You certainly bring up another good arguement.. It's like the toy story days of Buzz lightyears and woody dolls, I couldn't find them for my Daughter or Son anywhere!! which even was made light of in Toy story 2...

But is it possible that it really isn't Hasbro's fault?? In the toy story case.. and I quote ...Short sighted retailers who didn't order enough stock, with no faith in consumer demand.."

That was the issue there.. maybe its the same thing here.. maybe, Hasbro didn't produce enough, because the major retailer orders weren't high enough..because of the sagging and crummy sales of Pirates and Spiderman 3 toys..

because the demand for transformers is huge, and most areas are sold out, really makes us have to wait till months from now for new flows of stock to reach the stores..

Or was it all planned??

In a way Marketing genius, because Hasbro can afford to not overmake stock and still have a guarantee sell out by x-mas!!! effectively making the consumer market think it underproduced but in reality just held back till x-mas..plus the DVD release can coincide with the toys and backstock making a return..

either way it's a mystery...and the transformer collector effectively gets screwed in the short term, but has to scramble come rerelease at x-mas to beat the kids/parents present, consumption, and still hold back money for our own family presents.. what a crazy time that will be!!

we can either go broke, or come away empty handed due to the x-mas rush.. which starts earlier every year!!

The pirate and spiderman toys didn't sell because after you buy one jack sparrow figure or one spider-man figure, you don't want anymore. With transformers, you can buy the whole cast and still have other completely different and interesting figures to buy.

Once you have one spider-man you have them all but the same can never be said of transformers.

The BIGGEST mistake in the franchise's history started during 1988 and 1989. Hasbro assumed that the popularity of the franchise would allow them to cut the quality of the toys and drive up profits.

Most of the pretenders, micromasters and action masters felt like happy meal toys while still carrying the $10-$20 pricetags of previously released toys of much higher quality.

If the line would have kept the same focus that it had in it's first 3 years (which mainly consisted of purchasing the rights of molds from Japanese toylines of superb quality), then the G1 line could have lasted another 5 years as it did in Japan.

For me it was the Pretenders. An awesome idea with a horrible delivery. The outer shells looked rediculous, and as far as being a disguise went, give me a break. The robots were pretty piss poor too- they all looked the same and transformed the same and had those weird tiny feet. Even nostalgia couldn't get me to buy the classics (Starscream, Grimlock, Bumblebee). I even liked the idea of the ultra Pretenders where the shells would transform too, but those were just as bad if not worse.
P.S. I thought the more recent comicbook take on the Pretenders was freakin' awesome. Great idea, cool characters, but terrible figures.

Mr.Bond007 wrote:Giving Energon the green light

The toys or the show?

Beware! One answer will bring you fame, the other answer will bring you flame.

Counterpunch wrote:

Mr.Bond007 wrote:Giving Energon the green light

The toys or the show?

Beware! One answer will bring you fame, the other answer will bring you flame.

the show some of the toys were ok

I dunno, the admittedly 2 Micromasters I have are quite solid.

I think a G1 Uni would have been a Horrid idea. Look at the other g1 posability. The BW Neo Uni would probably mke them millions though.

Hasbro mistake: Not making some of the Protos we saw at Botcon, or making less than figures in their place. (E Prime's trailer for example)

TF mistake: Limiting said Botcon tours and glitching up the "raffle"

Actionmasters—The Transformers that don't transform.

Killin Starscream and his wingmates and creating wheelie...

Biggest mistake in Transformers History?


That's an easy one:



Nuff said.

The Mad Asshatter wrote:Biggest mistake in Transformers History?


That's an easy one:



Nuff said.

no it was using that mold three more times to fluff up other TF sublines

SnapTrap wrote:

The Mad Asshatter wrote:Biggest mistake in Transformers History?


That's an easy one:



Nuff said.

no it was using that mold three more times to fluff up other TF sublines

EEEeGAD!!!!! that is an ugly former.. but to have it redone 3 more times??? WTF??

SnapTrap wrote:no it was using that mold three more times to fluff up other TF sublines

I meant the mold in general.

DepthCharge08 wrote:the whole beast machines line, i just never liked the "organic" look they tried, especially on optimus primal and rattrap. In my opinion they looked so cool at the end of beast wars in their transmetal looks, and going from transmetal to that, just really killed it for me.

Agreed.

The 1987 movie was bad... switching to weird space vehicles and then... robotic beasts that transform into robots... killed it for me.

Continuity is another problem, but I tend to create my own.

Bonger wrote:Biggest mistake = Not doing the Headmasters series in the US.

2nd biggest = not doing a series to fil in between season 2 and the movie.

A - FRAKKIN'- MEN!!

Oh and not making the toys and cartoon counterparts look like each other (ahem Galvatron, and a few others that escape me now.)

DavidBeoulve wrote:Continuity is another problem, but I tend to create my own.

thanks for that I'll read it at work tomorrow...