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Saber Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Since we're talking about the Matrix, I found this letter while looking around online and thought it was funny......a little anyway....




A LETTER TO
OPTIMUS PRIME
FROM HIS GEICO
AUTO INSURANCE
AGENT.
BY JOHN FRANK WEAVER
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Dear Mr. Prime,

We have received your accident-claim reports for the month of June—they total 27. I regret to inform you that GEICO will not be able to reimburse you for any of those repairs. I feel that I have sent the same letter to you once a month for the last six months, and I am now sending it again.

Since becoming a GEICO customer in January of this year, you have reported 131 accidents, requesting reimbursement for repairs necessitated by each one. You have claimed not to be responsible in any of them, usually listing the cause of the accident as either "Sneak attack by Decepticons" or "Unavoidable damage caused by protecting freedom for all sentient beings."

The only repairs for which you were reimbursed were the replacement of a cracked fender and a headlight, required after a Mr. I. Ron Hide backed his van into your truck; these cost $1,286.63. Our own investigation concluded that you were not at fault and that Mr. Hide had been drinking prior to the accident. Though police were unable to test his blood-alcohol level—Mr. Hide claimed that it would be impossible for police to examine his blood-alcohol content with a Breathalyzer, because he "doesn't breathe"—under Washington-state law, refusal to take a Breathalyzer test is equivalent to returning a result above the legal level.

But, I repeat, those were the only repairs for which you have been reimbursed, and it was a very minor accident in comparison to your other claims. I mention a few to illustrate the larger trend:


$379,431.34 requested reimbursement for repairs to your truck cabin. You claimed the damage was caused by attacking fighter jets.

$665,789.11 requested reimbursement for repairs to your trailer. You claimed the damage was caused by a giant mechanical scorpion, which I can only assume is some amusement-park ride, although I question the wisdom of bringing your mobile home so close to such dangerous equipment.

$6,564,239.44 requested reimbursement for repairs to a truck part called the "Autobot Matrix of Leadership." You stated this occurred in "an ultimate confrontation between good and evil," with a Ms. Meg Atron and a Mr. U. Nicron causing the damage in question. Mr. Prime, I have checked every known car- and truck-part catalog published in the United States and have found nothing even resembling that part, never mind any part so expensive. Whatever disagreements you had with Ms. Atron and Mr. Nicron, I suggest that next time you either settle things peaceably or leave your Autobot Matrix of Leadership at home so it doesn't break. GEICO does not cover Autobot Matrix of Leaderships.
And the list goes on. Mr. Prime, I am going to remind you again: Your policy with GEICO only reimburses you for accidents that occur while you are engaged in the reasonable use of your truck and trailer. As I told you when you originally purchased the policy, GEICO does not offer Megatron coverage, Starscream coverage, Soundwave coverage, Decepticon coverage, or Energon-blast coverage. Those are just not the types of damages we would expect from reasonable use.

To sum up, GEICO has been unable to reimburse you for any repairs, but due to the high number of accidents you have been a party to this month, combined with the many accidents you have had in the preceding five months, your premium has increased to $235,567.50 per month. While that may seem like a lot, I remind you that it is a savings of $137 over Progressive and $98 over State Farm. Please have your check into our main office by the end of July.

Regards,

Simon Furman
GEICO Agent

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Oh my gawd Ms. Meg Atron, MS. Meg Atron. I know an easy way Optimus could avoid paying that bill. Send the letter to Megatron and the verry same day Megatron reads it he'll show up at the GEICO Office and blast it with HIS fusion cannon.

This thread seems to have been derailed....

Deadpool. wrote:This thread seems to have been derailed....

why do you say that??????????

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Deadpool. wrote:This thread seems to have been derailed....

why do you say that??????????

From "Who is UM" to The Matrix in different continuities to funny stuff....

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Deadpool. wrote:This thread seems to have been derailed....

why do you say that??????????

Because we're no longer talking about who Mr. Ult Ra Magnus is.

So getting back on Topic, someone mentioned Armada Overload was called Ultra Magnus in Japan. The mold was allso repainted and rerelised in America as Ultra Magnus. Still Overload on the show was never a character as far as I could tell. It was an inatimate transforming object Optimus just used to boost his power.

Comic Overload on the other hand was far more interesting as he actully WAS a character and could talk simultaniously with his Mini-con. And yes in the comics the Mini-cons ALL actully do talk.

I think the only reason they don't speak in the series is because it's cheaper to have them beep than to hire voice actors.

The only exception to the not talking seems to be Cybertron Jolt who according to his bio (and this actully does seem to apply to the cartoons) he learned to speak from watching lots of TV. He's not as heavy on the TV talk as Wreck-gar but there are shots of him in the series watching TV and lines that he's quoted from TV.

Deadpool. wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Deadpool. wrote:This thread seems to have been derailed....

why do you say that??????????

From "Who is UM" to The Matrix in different continuities to funny stuff....

The funny letter could be considered a different continuity for Prime....one where he has no repair systoms and need to collect on his AUTO INSURANCE

Saber Prime wrote:
The only exception to the not talking seems to be Cybertron Jolt who according to his bio (and this actully does seem to apply to the cartoons) he learned to speak from watching lots of TV. He's not as heavy on the TV talk as Wreck-gar but there are shots of him in the series watching TV and lines that he's quoted from TV.

Well at least they put more effort into it than saying " the Unicron singularity did it".

i_amtrunks wrote:Basically he is the anti-Starscream.

Ever happy to follow someone else's orders, and he will follow them to the letter.

Add that to the fact he is a super soldier, and you have one pretty impressive warrior.

True. He's as badass as any Prime - and can go at it with Galvatron without the need of a stinkin' matrix (nudge Hot Rod and Optronix (as much of an Optimus Prime fan I am.)).

Friend of mine was tellin' me how he put down Grimlock, something that Optimus and Megatron hadn't done.

trence5 wrote:

i_amtrunks wrote:Basically he is the anti-Starscream.

Ever happy to follow someone else's orders, and he will follow them to the letter.

Add that to the fact he is a super soldier, and you have one pretty impressive warrior.

True. He's as badass as any Prime - and can go at it with Galvatron without the need of a stinkin' matrix (nudge Hot Rod and Optronix (as much of an Optimus Prime fan I am.)).

Friend of mine was tellin' me how he put down Grimlock, something that Optimus and Megatron hadn't done.

oh, he put grimlock down, and into repair bay, if DW is to be believed!

Sorry for going OT again, but I just thought this should be addressed...

Saber Prime wrote:There are several people who will argue that G1 Megatron and Galvatron are two different characters even though the dialog and the fact you can watch Megatron being turned into Galvatron say without a doubt that Megatron and Galvatron are in fact the same person. Yet there's still some room for speculation?

Yes there is. You can clearly see one becoming the other in the cartoon. But that's just one of many G1 continuities. Look at Galvatron's toy bio, and you'll see he's a completely different character, who, like Starscream, aims to take over the Decepticons himself one day. And since the toys are generally the origin of any TF character, it's not unreasonable to assume that the info presented with the toy should supercede that from any other medium, including the cartoon.

Ramrider wrote:Sorry for going OT again, but I just thought this should be addressed...

Saber Prime wrote:There are several people who will argue that G1 Megatron and Galvatron are two different characters even though the dialog and the fact you can watch Megatron being turned into Galvatron say without a doubt that Megatron and Galvatron are in fact the same person. Yet there's still some room for speculation?

Yes there is. You can clearly see one becoming the other in the cartoon. But that's just one of many G1 continuities. Look at Galvatron's toy bio, and you'll see he's a completely different character, who, like Starscream, aims to take over the Decepticons himself one day. And since the toys are generally the origin of any TF character, it's not unreasonable to assume that the info presented with the toy should supercede that from any other medium, including the cartoon.

In that case you're mixing Galvatrons from DIFFERENT continuitys.

Regarding G1 Toy Galvatron and G1 artroon Galvatron as the same character makes about as much sence as regarding G1 Galvatron and Energon Galvatron as the same character.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, TOY BIOS DON'T MEAN A DAMN THING WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CARTOON.

Saber Prime wrote:Regarding G1 Toy Galvatron and G1 artroon Galvatron as the same character makes about as much sence as regarding G1 Galvatron and Energon Galvatron as the same character.

To some extent, this is indeed true... although theoretically the G1 toy and the G1 cartoon character were supposed to be the same guy - otherwise aren't the cartoons advertising toys that don't exist?

Saber Prime wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again, TOY BIOS DON'T MEAN A DAMN THING WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CARTOON.

Well, in that case, you need to be more specific, don't you? If you're talking specifically about the cartoon Galvatron, then say so.
And there's no need to shout, I'm not blind.

Ramrider wrote:Sorry for going OT again, but I just thought this should be addressed...

Saber Prime wrote:There are several people who will argue that G1 Megatron and Galvatron are two different characters even though the dialog and the fact you can watch Megatron being turned into Galvatron say without a doubt that Megatron and Galvatron are in fact the same person. Yet there's still some room for speculation?

Yes there is. You can clearly see one becoming the other in the cartoon. But that's just one of many G1 continuities. Look at Galvatron's toy bio, and you'll see he's a completely different character, who, like Starscream, aims to take over the Decepticons himself one day. And since the toys are generally the origin of any TF character, it's not unreasonable to assume that the info presented with the toy should supercede that from any other medium, including the cartoon.

Your right but ever since I learned just how long the 86 movie was in devlopement I always wondered if the toy bio's on Galvatron and Rodimus Prime were written that way so as to keep the plot of the movie a secreet.Some of the toys were hitting the shelfs months before the movie was released.

As it turns out, I understand that's what they did. But as I said, considering every other Transformer was a toy first (I think the movie characters were the only ones ever created where the cartoon design came before the toys), it's not unreasonable to assume the same is true of them (until you discover the truth after years of 'net trawling).

Ramrider wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:Regarding G1 Toy Galvatron and G1 artroon Galvatron as the same character makes about as much sence as regarding G1 Galvatron and Energon Galvatron as the same character.

To some extent, this is indeed true... although theoretically the G1 toy and the G1 cartoon character were supposed to be the same guy - otherwise aren't the cartoons advertising toys that don't exist?

Saber Prime wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again, TOY BIOS DON'T MEAN A DAMN THING WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CARTOON.

Well, in that case, you need to be more specific, don't you? If you're talking specifically about the cartoon Galvatron, then say so.
And there's no need to shout, I'm not blind.

Well actully yes because the toys rarely even look like their cartoon forms. Galvatron's toy for example was a completly different color. (Not counting the reissue)

And sence I mentioned a scene from the movie wouldn't that mean I was talking about the cartoon not his toy?

Doesn't mean you aren't talking about the toy as well, hence the need for precision.

Ramrider wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:Regarding G1 Toy Galvatron and G1 artroon Galvatron as the same character makes about as much sence as regarding G1 Galvatron and Energon Galvatron as the same character.

To some extent, this is indeed true... although theoretically the G1 toy and the G1 cartoon character were supposed to be the same guy - otherwise aren't the cartoons advertising toys that don't exist?

I wouldnt go that far.In the long run toys in general are just tools to further a childs imagination.Its not like the toys can truly contribute its fictious personality to the play time.Even the toy ad's them selfs had different presona's.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Ramrider wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:Regarding G1 Toy Galvatron and G1 artroon Galvatron as the same character makes about as much sence as regarding G1 Galvatron and Energon Galvatron as the same character.

To some extent, this is indeed true... although theoretically the G1 toy and the G1 cartoon character were supposed to be the same guy - otherwise aren't the cartoons advertising toys that don't exist?

I wouldnt go that far.In the long run toys in general are just tools to further a childs imagination.Its not like the toys can truly contribute its fictious personality to the play time.Even the toy ad's them selfs had different presona's.

He's right you know. That's exactly what toys are.

I'd some times mix transformers up and call them whatever I wanted rather than use their actual names and factions. That was a long time ago though when I still played with Trasformers, now they just sit on the shelf.

Anyway if you wanted to go toy bios you could allso argue that Ultra Magnus and Optimus Prime are the same person. I do belive the original Ultra Magnus had a different paint job and was ment to be a rebuilt Optimus Prime after he was "damaged" rather than killed. That would exsplain why Ultra Magnus has the same cab as Optimus Prime except the original coloring for Magnus the cab was blue.

Before I jump up and down on your last post, which Magnus and Prime are you referring to? I'm assuming it's not G1, unless you're very much mistaken.

Saber Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Ramrider wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:Regarding G1 Toy Galvatron and G1 artroon Galvatron as the same character makes about as much sence as regarding G1 Galvatron and Energon Galvatron as the same character.

To some extent, this is indeed true... although theoretically the G1 toy and the G1 cartoon character were supposed to be the same guy - otherwise aren't the cartoons advertising toys that don't exist?

I wouldnt go that far.In the long run toys in general are just tools to further a childs imagination.Its not like the toys can truly contribute its fictious personality to the play time.Even the toy ad's them selfs had different presona's.

He's right you know. That's exactly what toys are.

I'd some times mix transformers up and call them whatever I wanted rather than use their actual names and factions. That was a long time ago though when I still played with Trasformers, now they just sit on the shelf.

Anyway if you wanted to go toy bios you could allso argue that Ultra Magnus and Optimus Prime are the same person. I do belive the original Ultra Magnus had a different paint job and was ment to be a rebuilt Optimus Prime after he was "damaged" rather than killed. That would exsplain why Ultra Magnus has the same cab as Optimus Prime except the original coloring for Magnus the cab was blue.

Well your kind a right and wrong on that one.Takara proposed that Hasbro use the Powered Convoy design [the one that would be G1 Ultra Magnus] as a upgrade for G1 Prime [Convoy] but Hasbro rejected this idea and the design at first but latered desided to inclued the design for their post movie toyline but as a new character.The toy Bio's never had any connection to Prime.
Power Convoy had a different paint skeem then UM and when Hasbro desided to use the design they want a different paint app then PConvoy.The first proto type if I'm right had the same colors as the UM we all know but had a blue cab.If I'm right the next had a yellow cab.I'm not sure how the white cab was chosen.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Ramrider wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:Regarding G1 Toy Galvatron and G1 artroon Galvatron as the same character makes about as much sence as regarding G1 Galvatron and Energon Galvatron as the same character.

To some extent, this is indeed true... although theoretically the G1 toy and the G1 cartoon character were supposed to be the same guy - otherwise aren't the cartoons advertising toys that don't exist?

I wouldnt go that far.In the long run toys in general are just tools to further a childs imagination.Its not like the toys can truly contribute its fictious personality to the play time.Even the toy ad's them selfs had different presona's.

He's right you know. That's exactly what toys are.

I'd some times mix transformers up and call them whatever I wanted rather than use their actual names and factions. That was a long time ago though when I still played with Trasformers, now they just sit on the shelf.

Anyway if you wanted to go toy bios you could allso argue that Ultra Magnus and Optimus Prime are the same person. I do belive the original Ultra Magnus had a different paint job and was ment to be a rebuilt Optimus Prime after he was "damaged" rather than killed. That would exsplain why Ultra Magnus has the same cab as Optimus Prime except the original coloring for Magnus the cab was blue.

Well your kind a right and wrong on that one.Takara proposed that Hasbro use the Powered Convoy design [the one that would be G1 Ultra Magnus] as a upgrade for G1 Prime [Convoy] but Hasbro rejected this idea and the design at first but latered desided to inclued the design for their post movie toyline but as a new character.The toy Bio's never had any connection to Prime.
Power Convoy had a different paint skeem then UM and when Hasbro desided to use the design they want a different paint app then PConvoy.The first proto type if I'm right had the same colors as the UM we all know but had a blue cab.If I'm right the next had a yellow cab.I'm not sure how the white cab was chosen.

I might have been missinformed on this one as I didn't do the reasearch on my own to see if any of it was accurate. All I remember was finding a really old trailer for the original movie that showed Ultra Magnus in the colors of the original toy. At first I posted it as a misscolor but then someone told me that was ment to be Optimus Prime's upgrade before they desided to make it a seperate character.

I actully only recently found the toy commercial and saw the blue cab but I've known about the different paint job much longer.

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This isn't the same trailer I saw before but this does show Ultra Magnus in his original color sceme for the toy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh3wgldJ ... ed&search=

Saber Prime wrote:
I might have been missinformed on this one as I didn't do the reasearch on my own to see if any of it was accurate. All I remember was finding a really old trailer for the original movie that showed Ultra Magnus in the colors of the original toy. At first I posted it as a misscolor but then someone told me that was ment to be Optimus Prime's upgrade before they desided to make it a seperate character.

I actully only recently found the toy commercial and saw the blue cab but I've known about the different paint job much longer.

Ahh...thats where your mistake is.The old movie test trailer did in fact feature UM in his diaclone [Power Convoy] colors but he was still intended to be a different character at the time.If you still have the trailer you will see when there anoucing the actors that the mention Robert Stack as Ultra Magnus.
Who ever gave you that information was a bit mixed up [unless you misunderstood him/her]
In the diaclone line, one of the toyline's that became the Transformers brand, Power Convoy was a upgraded Convoy figure.When Hasbro was choseing witch toys they would use for their TF universe the Power Convoy figure was marketed to them by Takara as a upgrade armor for Optimus Prime just like it was for the diaclon toyline.Hasbro rejected the idea.When the movie was being produce Hasbro again went to Takara for design idea's and once again they presented the Power Convoy design as a upgrade for Prime but again it was rejected due to the face looking different.They desided to make him a new character instead.
It was never part of any of Hasbro or Marvel's plans to have the diaclone design be a Optimus Prime upgrade.

This two of the alternate trailers for the 86 movie that I know of.....you'll see that they mention and print that Robert Stack is Ultra Magnus....and you'll see UM in his diaclone colors.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0HSsSpoJV0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Oh3wgldJxRM

Thought you might enjoy these........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_590CkmWJ7I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4frjPXJL0s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udBat-ovIsg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbvFMvlLB5E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXjtvYwqRzY

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:he was still intended to be a different character at the time.If you still have the trailer you will see when there anoucing the actors that the mention Robert Stack as Ultra Magnus.

Just thought I'd point out sence so many other characters have changed their names with upgrades why would it be any different for Optimus? Galvatron has a different voice actor than Megatron so the fact it doesn't say Peter Cullen as Ultra Magnus doesn't mean anything either.

Not saying you're wrong just saying why that's not suffecient evidence that they were seperate characters at the time.

Saber Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:he was still intended to be a different character at the time.If you still have the trailer you will see when there anoucing the actors that the mention Robert Stack as Ultra Magnus.

Just thought I'd point out sence so many other characters have changed their names with upgrades why would it be any different for Optimus? Galvatron has a different voice actor than Megatron so the fact it doesn't say Peter Cullen as Ultra Magnus doesn't mean anything either.

Not saying you're wrong just saying why that's not suffecient evidence that they were seperate characters at the time.

Because Hasbro/Marvel wanted to have the names of the New Leaders resemble the names of the old leaders, at least in part.Megatron to Galvatron and Optimus Prime to Rodimus Prime.If they had named him Ultra Prime or anything with Prime in it then it could be considered suffecient evidence of Hasbro intendind to you him as a upgraded Prime.
Also from the begining of consept, Hasbro/Marvel intention for the 1986 movie's Plot was to follow the Star Wars episode's 4,5 and 6's coming of age story of Luke Skywalker.The story of a young kid that witnesses his heroes death and later trew mythical becomes the hero him self.You can see the Star Wars influance trew the movie.Hot Rod useing what looks like light sabers training with a droid.A giant planet as a weapon that can destroy the universe [Death Star] Optimus speeking to Hot Rod from the grave as he becomes Rodimus Prime[O,bewan speeking to Luke in his ghost form].Optimus telling Magnus of the the chosen one is very simular to Ben talking to Yoda about Luke being their last hope.
And Galvatron only had a different voice actor then Megatron for the movie it self....and thats because it was believed that they needed some more "sifi star power" to bring in a larger audiance.Frank Welker who did the voice of Megatron [and so many others] voiced Galvatron trew out season 3 and the 3 part season 4.