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Syn_13 wrote:I don't buy those MP rumours at all...well, maybe Ratchet/Ironhide (sharing a mould), tracks and Shockwave at a push. I think the tank Megatron rumour is simply someone mistaking the Leader class figure, as Dead Metal has suggested. There's no way they'd release an MP Megs as a tank because it's just not G1 accurate.

Galvatron could be a retool of the Leader Megatron mould, since he often appears as a tank. However, I'm not sure if they'd use that mould 3 times. If they're not going with a combined Galvatron, then he himself may be part of a Combiner. Perhaps a Voyager figure with a new mould. I'd be well up for that, but I wouldn't know what mould they'd use. Possibly Prime/Menasor, but again, not sure if they'd use it a 3rd time.

Actually now that you mention it, didn't Hasbro announce that Combiner Wars was going to be heavily incorporated with the idw comics? IDW Galvatron recently got a redesign that turns him into a tank (was it an Earth tank? Not sure now). People did comment how this new design looks more toy friendly compared his original design, so maybe this rumored Galvatron will be CW and be based on the current idw design?
On top of that, Galvatron's peeps did work on combiner technology to fulfill the "till all are one" thing, before they went missing. So the combining Galvatron would make sense story wise.

william-james88 wrote:

Syn_13 wrote: I'd be well up for that, but I wouldn't know what mould they'd use. Possibly Prime/Menasor, but again, not sure if they'd use it a 3rd time.

Or fourth time if the Defensor rumours are true.

They'll use a mold until it spontaneously combusts. How many iterations of the classics seeker mold are there?

Desslok2201 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Syn_13 wrote: I'd be well up for that, but I wouldn't know what mould they'd use. Possibly Prime/Menasor, but again, not sure if they'd use it a 3rd time.

Or fourth time if the Defensor rumours are true.

They'll use a mold until it spontaneously combusts. How many iterations of the classics seeker mold are there?

Well to be honest, I do love that seeker mold.

MP Blitzwing... wow... my brain has suddenly quit working for the day.

william-james88 wrote:

Desslok2201 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Syn_13 wrote: I'd be well up for that, but I wouldn't know what mould they'd use. Possibly Prime/Menasor, but again, not sure if they'd use it a 3rd time.

Or fourth time if the Defensor rumours are true.

They'll use a mold until it spontaneously combusts. How many iterations of the classics seeker mold are there?

Well to be honest, I do love that seeker mold.

Yeah, that mould is one of my faves. The thing is with the Seekers is that the characters were all pretty much indentical to begin with. Just a few variations here and there. I appreciate the little tweaks to what is essentially the same mould with the Aerialbots. They could've easily done a Seeker mould thing and just simply recoloured the 4 bots, but they at least made slight changes. I do think that was the reason why they threw in Alpha Bravo, simply because they didn't want it becoming too repetitive.

they complain that 3 planes is repetative. then they complain that they should've had 4 planes. but they never complain about seekers. ahahaha. gotta love tf fans...

Dead Metal wrote:I was going to say that we shouldn't count Star Sabre as this year's big one since Takara stated it wouldn't interfere with the main line and would be a stand alone piece - then I remembered how it's now designated as MP24, so I guess it's our big one this year. This still leaves the spot for two brand new mold characters though. Since we're already getting two small repaints this year (Exhaust and G2 Bumblebee).

On the other hand, Star Saber was worked on on the side of the other more main MPs, what with it being the personal pet project of Yuki-san rather than being developed by either Hasui-san (the main man behind the MPs since MP-10) or Kobayashi-san (Hasui-san's successor).

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:I was going to say that we shouldn't count Star Sabre as this year's big one since Takara stated it wouldn't interfere with the main line and would be a stand alone piece - then I remembered how it's now designated as MP24, so I guess it's our big one this year. This still leaves the spot for two brand new mold characters though. Since we're already getting two small repaints this year (Exhaust and G2 Bumblebee).

On the other hand, Star Saber was worked on on the side of the other more main MPs, what with it being the personal pet project of Yuki-san rather than being developed by either Hasui-san (the main man behind the MPs since MP-10) or Kobayashi-san (Hasui-san's successor).

That's kind of what I was thinking. If there is another large one in the works for this year, I'd still bet that it would be released end of December, a la Ultra Magnus. I do wonder if Ironhide and the eventual Ratchet will count as larges, and be somewhat on the order of Soundwave size

Desslok2201 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:I was going to say that we shouldn't count Star Sabre as this year's big one since Takara stated it wouldn't interfere with the main line and would be a stand alone piece - then I remembered how it's now designated as MP24, so I guess it's our big one this year. This still leaves the spot for two brand new mold characters though. Since we're already getting two small repaints this year (Exhaust and G2 Bumblebee).

On the other hand, Star Saber was worked on on the side of the other more main MPs, what with it being the personal pet project of Yuki-san rather than being developed by either Hasui-san (the main man behind the MPs since MP-10) or Kobayashi-san (Hasui-san's successor).

That's kind of what I was thinking. If there is another large one in the works for this year, I'd still bet that it would be released end of December, a la Ultra Magnus. I do wonder if Ironhide and the eventual Ratchet will count as larges, and be somewhat on the order of Soundwave size

Ratchet and Ironhide make the most sense to me. Even if the person who supplied the info in the first place was downright lieing (which is probably not the case), I am certain those 2 are in the works. They are firstly, autobots (yeah I know, more autobots), very well known characters, and the same mold. This is the MP recipe right there.

The Megs as a tank is too much of a coincidence with the generations version. With the different reports on the composition of the upcoming generations Devastator being supposedly due to different inferences based on a picture, I can totally see how a retailer could confuse Gen Megs with an MP release with that Takara picture.

And this talk of Galvatron is getting me all hot. I didnt know there were talks for a combiner wars inclusion or anything of the sort. I just want a bigger Galvatron who,s arms doesnt pop off every time I transform him.

william-james88 wrote:

Desslok2201 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:I was going to say that we shouldn't count Star Sabre as this year's big one since Takara stated it wouldn't interfere with the main line and would be a stand alone piece - then I remembered how it's now designated as MP24, so I guess it's our big one this year. This still leaves the spot for two brand new mold characters though. Since we're already getting two small repaints this year (Exhaust and G2 Bumblebee).

On the other hand, Star Saber was worked on on the side of the other more main MPs, what with it being the personal pet project of Yuki-san rather than being developed by either Hasui-san (the main man behind the MPs since MP-10) or Kobayashi-san (Hasui-san's successor).

That's kind of what I was thinking. If there is another large one in the works for this year, I'd still bet that it would be released end of December, a la Ultra Magnus. I do wonder if Ironhide and the eventual Ratchet will count as larges, and be somewhat on the order of Soundwave size

Ratchet and Ironhide make the most sense to me. Even if the person who supplied the info in the first place was downright lieing (which is probably not the case), I am certain those 2 are in the works. They are firstly, autobots (yeah I know, more autobots), very well known characters, and the same mold. This is the MP recipe right there.

The Megs as a tank is too much of a coincidence with the generations version. With the different reports on the composition of the upcoming generations Devastator being supposedly due to different inferences based on a picture, I can totally see how a retailer could confuse Gen Megs with an MP release with that Takara picture.

And this talk of Galvatron is getting me all hot. I didnt know there were talks for a combiner wars inclusion or anything of the sort. I just want a bigger Galvatron who,s arms doesnt pop off every time I transform him.

I agree that this makes the most sense, and I would love to see show accurate versions of both characters. Part of me wonders, though, if the gold release of Megatron was not to indicate a new Megatron but Reflector. They've been putting clues out there ever since MP-01's communicator pictures. Again, I know absolutely nothing, but it makes you wonder

William-james88 wrote:And this talk of Galvatron is getting me all hot. I didnt know there were talks for a combiner wars inclusion or anything of the sort. I just want a bigger Galvatron who,s arms doesnt pop off every time I transform him.

Ill drink to that. I actually like the mold in of itself (if it was the only figure I had but it won't be heading up my top three of the line), it just sticks out like a sore thumb compared to the other cons. I'd take a combiner or a stand alone kick bum voyager that would look great standing on the bodies of his foes.

But if he's a combiner then who will he combine with?

ZeroWolf wrote:

William-james88 wrote:And this talk of Galvatron is getting me all hot. I didnt know there were talks for a combiner wars inclusion or anything of the sort. I just want a bigger Galvatron who,s arms doesnt pop off every time I transform him.

Ill drink to that. I actually like the mold in of itself (if it was the only figure I had but it won't be heading up my top three of the line), it just sticks out like a sore thumb compared to the other cons. I'd take a combiner or a stand alone kick bum voyager that would look great standing on the bodies of his foes.

But if he's a combiner then who will he combine with?

I got this from the Combiner Wars thread. Apparently it's been rumored for a while now that the Silverbolt mold would get remolded into Cyclonus, who would then combine with other Decepticons to form Galvatron, while another variation has Galvatron as being part of a Combiner, instead of being the guy they combine into.The second one makes more sense, taking everything into account, especially how this is again part of an idw event, and having Galvatron turn from an actual character into a combined form of a bunch of Decepticons wouldn't make any sense, unless it's a deal like "Ultra Prime" and he's part of the combiner. Add to that, that that rumor makes even less sense, since in idw, Cyclonus isn't even a Decepticon, but also downright hates Galvatron and it's just crazy talk.
They both do have in common that Galvatron would be part of CW in some-sort of capacity.

But, since I have no idea when and how those rumors started, having just recently discovered them myself, it could just be based on speculation due to Galvatron's new idw design. So I remain skeptical.

Dead Metal wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

William-james88 wrote:And this talk of Galvatron is getting me all hot. I didnt know there were talks for a combiner wars inclusion or anything of the sort. I just want a bigger Galvatron who,s arms doesnt pop off every time I transform him.

Ill drink to that. I actually like the mold in of itself (if it was the only figure I had but it won't be heading up my top three of the line), it just sticks out like a sore thumb compared to the other cons. I'd take a combiner or a stand alone kick bum voyager that would look great standing on the bodies of his foes.

But if he's a combiner then who will he combine with?

But, since I have no idea when and how those rumors started, having just recently discovered them myself, it could just be based on speculation due to Galvatron's new idw design. So I remain skeptical.

I saw on another site's boards that someone had commented that CW Motormaster kind of looks like movie Galvatron. Seriously I think that's where it started.

Syn_13 wrote:I don't buy those MP rumours at all...well, maybe Ratchet/Ironhide (sharing a mould), tracks and Shockwave at a push. I think the tank Megatron rumour is simply someone mistaking the Leader class figure, as Dead Metal has suggested. There's no way they'd release an MP Megs as a tank because it's just not G1 accurate.

looks like you can start believing the tracks and ironhide rumors.

TimothyR wrote:

Syn_13 wrote:I don't buy those MP rumours at all...well, maybe Ratchet/Ironhide (sharing a mould), tracks and Shockwave at a push. I think the tank Megatron rumour is simply someone mistaking the Leader class figure, as Dead Metal has suggested. There's no way they'd release an MP Megs as a tank because it's just not G1 accurate.

looks like you can start believing the tracks and ironhide rumors.

Dont these listings already confirm those rumours?

Desslok2201 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

William-james88 wrote:And this talk of Galvatron is getting me all hot. I didnt know there were talks for a combiner wars inclusion or anything of the sort. I just want a bigger Galvatron who,s arms doesnt pop off every time I transform him.

Ill drink to that. I actually like the mold in of itself (if it was the only figure I had but it won't be heading up my top three of the line), it just sticks out like a sore thumb compared to the other cons. I'd take a combiner or a stand alone kick bum voyager that would look great standing on the bodies of his foes.

But if he's a combiner then who will he combine with?

But, since I have no idea when and how those rumors started, having just recently discovered them myself, it could just be based on speculation due to Galvatron's new idw design. So I remain skeptical.

I saw on another site's boards that someone had commented that CW Motormaster kind of looks like movie Galvatron. Seriously I think that's where it started.

God I just checked myself, and found a whole bunch of crazy.

Apparently the Silverbolt into Cyclonus started over at TFW due to Venksta, at around the same time as Titan Devastator. Then that rumor got a little more "credible" with the Fan Built Combiner contest
http://tformers.com/combiner-wars-a-hin ... /news.html

Then there's this guy on Alspark who claims that Titan Devastator is an up-scaled Legends ROTF Devastator

Kinda makes me want to go back and check on rumors for years old stuff. XD

Dead Metal wrote:

Desslok2201 wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

William-james88 wrote:Kinda makes me want to go back and check on rumors for years old stuff. XD

It makes me wonder how many TT and Hasbro employees look at this stuff and laugh their arses off

william-james88 wrote:

TimothyR wrote:

Syn_13 wrote:I don't buy those MP rumours at all...well, maybe Ratchet/Ironhide (sharing a mould), tracks and Shockwave at a push. I think the tank Megatron rumour is simply someone mistaking the Leader class figure, as Dead Metal has suggested. There's no way they'd release an MP Megs as a tank because it's just not G1 accurate.

looks like you can start believing the tracks and ironhide rumors.

Dont these listings already confirm those rumours?

Really?? Where in that thread is any confirmation? Rumor plus rumor does not equal fact

Those rumours are insane, especially silverbolt remoulded into cyclonus. ..Unless it came with other lost lighters to form ultra Rodimus (like the rod pod he'd get his name there somewhere) and a big sword.

Cyclonus will come with the re-deco Powerglide.

william-james88 wrote:

TimothyR wrote:

Syn_13 wrote:I don't buy those MP rumours at all...well, maybe Ratchet/Ironhide (sharing a mould), tracks and Shockwave at a push. I think the tank Megatron rumour is simply someone mistaking the Leader class figure, as Dead Metal has suggested. There's no way they'd release an MP Megs as a tank because it's just not G1 accurate.

looks like you can start believing the tracks and ironhide rumors.

Dont these listings already confirm those rumours?

Not when Taobao is a C2C site rather than a B2C site. It's like if some Joe Shmoe were to have put up those same listings on eBay, and we'd certainly know better than to view something like that as truth.

Dead Metal wrote:Then there's this guy on Alspark who claims that Titan Devastator is an up-scaled Legends ROTF Devastator

Last I heard of that was someone making a joke. Did some other dude try to pass that off in a serious manner?

Sabrblade wrote:Not when Taobao is a C2C site rather than a B2C site. It's like if some Joe Shmoe were to have put up those same listings on eBay, and we'd certainly know better than to view something like that as truth.

Thanks for clearing that up, I thought it was a legit retail site.

im sad theres a toyfair somewhere right now, and no news of (at least!) the rumored devastator

shajaki wrote:im sad theres a toyfair somewhere right now, and no news of (at least!) the rumored devastator

HK Toyfair is also going on right now so here is a quick translation of what's been seen thanks to xueyue2 & chroma23 from Cybertron.ca:

Translation:


美版:美复G1铁甲龙、三尖头套装、闪电和大火车套装、录音机和感知器套装(磁带好像是钢钎和犀牛，感知器 的肩炮有特殊用处类似能看幻灯片)
Encore version (Platiumn?) tripticon, conheads, blitzwing & Astrotrain bundle, Perceptor & Blaster bundel

idw的大力神确实不错绝对泰坦级，因为是全年龄的所以单体的变形大家就别指望了，展示品都是手工未完成品 貌似肘关节不能动，组合方面下半年还有一个守护神，但只展示了热点感觉也一般。滑翔机还有一个紫色狂派重涂 不知道叫什么，同级别还有个战戟，还有几个没记住。坦克威确实不错还有个绿色。
IDW Devastator is indeed Titan class, but because it's facing all the age groups, so single robot's transformation is not much. The demo versino is hand-made unfinished product, eblow can't move. There is a Defensor will be revealed in late of 2015, so far only Hotspot is showed, and just so-so quality. Scout class has Warpath.


日版:会有很多D级人物，都不是主线人物所以没细看，ps擎天柱和md老威不错但站立有些困难。组合方面增 加电镀和还原单体成员G1配色。
Japanese version: (nothing important, I won't translate. )

MP:今年预计就发5个，mp25和某宝放出的预定款一样，配件是洛尔和收音机，大家去看看52集就懂了， 只看了灰模貌似可动性又提高了不少。21G没有斯派克改成飞行背包了比较坑，但官方介绍会降低 售价。
MP: This year will release 5 MP. And the MP25 is the same one as the pre-ordered on Taobao (I remember that Ironhide/Tracker on Taobao? Might be Tracker) It comes with "洛尔" ( a human?) and Blaster.
MP21G doesn't have Spike, but just a jetpad, the price will be lowered because of that.
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美版:美复G1铁甲龙、三尖头套装、闪电和大火车套装、录音机和感知器套装(磁带好像是钢钎和犀牛，感知器 的肩炮有特殊用处类似能看幻灯片)

US re-release tripticon, conheads set, blitzwing & astrotrain set, Perceptor & Blaster set: cassettes included looks like to be the animals, and the shoulder cannon on perceptor has some special purpose, rumored to be able to view slide shows

idw的大力神确实不错绝对泰坦级，因为是全年龄的所以单体的变形大家就别指望了，展示品都是手工未完成品 貌似肘关节不能动，组合方面下半年还有一个守护神，但只展示了热点感觉也一般。滑翔机还有一个紫色狂派重涂 不知道叫什么，同级别还有个战戟，还有几个没记住。坦克威确实不错还有个绿色。

IDW Devastator is indeed Titan class, because it's designed for all ages, do not expect much in terms of individual bot's transformations (complexity i presume). displayed toy looks like a WIP hand-made (or painted) prototype and joints do not seem to move (my guess it's like the combiner wars at SDCC where the joints are hot glued?). for combiner wars, the latter half of the year will feature defensor, but for now they only showed hotspot but doesn't look too interesting. powerglide will have a purple decepticon repaint but dunno what the new name will be. other combiner wars legend class (like powerglide) include warpath and a few others that i couldn't remember. there will be a green repaint for the tank (assuming he's referring to warpath)

日版:会有很多D级人物，都不是主线人物所以没细看，ps擎天柱和md老威不错但站立有些困难。组合方面增 加电镀和还原单体成员G1配色。

japan releases: will have alot of deluxe class characters, but they aren't main characters do i didnt pay attention. PSX prime and MD megs is not bad but do not seem to stand pretty well. bundles (my guess is JP releases of generations figures?) will have additional chrome and more G1 accurate colors


MP:今年预计就发5个，mp25和某宝放出的预定款一样，配件是洛尔和收音机，大家去看看52集就懂了， 只看了灰模貌似可动性又提高了不少。21G没有斯派克改成飞行背包了比较坑，但官方介绍会降低 售价。

MP: there will be 5 MPs this year. MP25 is the same as the rumors going around (tracks/ironhide). accessories include.....something (my guess will be Raoul and a radio (blaster) in reference to season 2 episode 36 "auto-bop"). they showed a gray prototype and looks posability is good. MP21G (G2 bee) will only include a jet pack replacing the exo-suit, but the price will be adjusted and reduced

Dead Metal wrote:Those MP rumors sound cool, but make little sense.
Tank Megatron? In a line that currently prides itself with how close to the toon and media portrayal it is? A Galvatron, so short after the release of the supposed Megatron? And to top it all off That's 7, or if we take the other rumor into account 8 MP figures for this year, with 6 of them being new molds. And all that after Takara announced that they would make 1 large MP mold, two new small MP molds, and repaints of those each year.

Tracks and Ironhide/ Ratchet are the most believable.


What I believe happened is this:
Someone saw Takara's promo image for Leader Class tank Megatron which shows it next to MP10, and then just assumed that that was supposed to be an MP Megatron.
The Galvatron one may be a misinterpreted Combiner Wars Galvatron, which has also been rumored for a while now.

We might get a Galvatron, Shockwave, Blitzwing, Ratchet, Ironhide, and Tracks, but not necessarily as Masterpieces.

Remember How people at Toy Fair confirmed FOC Metroplex was being made into a toy, just to then end up as a Classics Metroplex and not FOC at all?

Then there was that rumor that claimed that Takara's fan poll wasn't there to decide which figure would be made for the 30th, but the order in which they're released, and of course "from a reputable insider source".
Or that Hasbro was releasing 3rd Party figures like FP's Springer and Roadbuster, or Planet X's WFC Omega Supreme in an official capacity under a special line labeled "Thrilling 30", sure we got all of those characters, but they weren't exactly the 3rd party versions.

Here's the thing, these rumors are nice and dandy, and likely based on something someone said, but either misinterpreted, confused or heard in the wrong context.

I'll wait for official confirmation before I get exited.

Your so correct! The rumor mill is running overtime right now, in addition to all the things stated above, it would be hard for the fandom to absorb this many MP's in one year. The development and manufacturing cost would also not be recoverable and would hurt the future of this line.....