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News Credits: 6 · by **AllNewSuperRobot** » Thu Jan 06, 2022 8:19 am

For a line that says "Masterpiece", implying that level of attainment to their design/aesthetic etc. Both can't really be judged as successful in that regard.

News Credits: 96 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Thu Jan 06, 2022 8:27 am

Still kibbly with "backpack" cancer, but at least he looks a bit cleaner than Bee.

It's not saying much.

News Credits: 18 · by **Immortal Starscream** » Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:30 am

to quote a couple cartoon squirrels:
"Now that's comedy"
"SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEW!"

News Credits: 1 · by **MeGrimlock78** » Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:59 am

Similar amount of kibble to Origins 'Bee?

If so, THAT'S what Earthrise shoulda looked like...

News Credits: 6 · by **AllNewSuperRobot** » Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:30 am

If I were a fan of either of these characters, I'd be insulted by the effort. Or lack thereof. "Only looks good from the front" shouldn't be the standard for Masterpieces.

by **optimeow** » Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:37 am

Gappy bots and alt modes aren’t masterpieces.
They aren’t works of art or fine robot toy engineering either.
Who’s with me?

News Credits: 96 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:54 am

optimeow wrote:Who’s with me?

Everyone.

Especially when the damn thing will retail for 150$+.
This sure ain't a MP Skids/Reboost.

by **Till-all-R1** » Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:58 am

For the price I can't say I'm impressed, for about $120 less I have something else that suffices quite well.
Also the fact that the doors become the bottom of the feet is poor engineering as it will most likely cause scuffing when displayed in bot mode. I used to like MP a lot but ever since they basically doubles in price they just aren't worth it anymore versus the standard TF line.

News Credits: 96 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Thu Jan 06, 2022 12:24 pm

Till-all-R1 wrote:I used to like MP a lot but ever since they basically doubles in price they just aren't worth it anymore versus the standard TF line.

That is, unless they release more like MP Skids and Reboost who are marvelous and barely cost more than a standard leader class.

by **SpaceEagle** » Thu Jan 06, 2022 12:38 pm

Sheesh, looks like they really don't know what to do when it comes to smaller bots. MP Skids looks fantastic and deserving of the "Masterpiece" label, but this looks like they just borrowed engineering from close cousin Bumblebee and called it a day. It's...at least...cleaner?
I never really cared for Masterpieces but this seems odd compared to the aftermentioned Skids and Shouki - at least Shouki has combiner tasks so I can excuse THAT kibble.

News Credits: 11 · by **primalxconvoy** » Thu Jan 06, 2022 4:11 pm

I think both BB and Cliffjumper's design has united both cartoon-accurate and "classic aesthetic" MP fans in their mutual disgust for these figures This is what happens when one thing interferes, and take precedence over the overall aesthetic qualities of an object. In this case, a supposedly and so-called "masterpiece" figure.

Just like with most of the cartoonified MPs, this is an easy pass for me. There are 3P, possible KO versions and even the current "CHUG" figures that are of a standard these days to be considered spiritual successors to the MP line.

Or, in the vernacular, it looks like dogsh*t.

News Credits: 148 · by **Big Grim** » Sun Jan 09, 2022 7:35 am

ZeroWolf wrote:What do you think of this? Is this the Masterpiece Cliffjumper you wanted?

Short answer, no. This cartoon "accurate" nonsense has to end in my opinion as it's NOT accurate. Bee did't have exploded nonsense for a backpack and feet in the cartoon, itself full of errors.

~ Grim

News Credits: 11 · by **primalxconvoy** » Sun Jan 09, 2022 7:42 am

Big Grim wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:What do you think of this? Is this the Masterpiece Cliffjumper you wanted?

Short answer, no. This cartoon "accurate" nonsense has to end in my opinion as it's NOT accurate. Bee did't have exploded nonsense for a backpack and feet in the cartoon, itself full of errors.

~ Grim

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News Credits: 6 · by **AllNewSuperRobot** » Sun Jan 09, 2022 7:42 am

The closest it seems you'll likely get to an "accurate" MP BB, based on HasTak's efforts is this one:

and just buy a separate one of these:

(adding some repro labels)

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:15 am

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The closest it seems you'll likely get to an "accurate" MP BB, based on HasTak's efforts is this one:

and just buy a separate one of these:

(adding some repro labels)

Probably cheaper as well :lol:

News Credits: 6 · by **AllNewSuperRobot** » Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:19 am

Considering BB (and Cliffjumper, by extension) are icons of the series. The quality of the MP's would really suggest Takara doesn't care that much for him.

I look at Starscream/Thundercracker 2.0 and Skids/Reboost. Effort was made and hard work was put into the designs. I don't get that same impression here.

News Credits: 148 · by **Big Grim** » Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:10 pm

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The closest it seems you'll likely get to an "accurate" MP BB, based on HasTak's efforts is this one:

and just buy a separate one of these:

(adding some repro labels)

True enough, though I am fond of the first MP Bumblebee.

~ Grim

News Credits: 317 · by **chuckdawg1999** » Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:31 pm

Big Grim wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The closest it seems you'll likely get to an "accurate" MP BB, based on HasTak's efforts is this one:

and just buy a separate one of these:

(adding some repro labels)

True enough, though I am fond of the first MP Bumblebee.

~ Grim

That first one was money.

News Credits: 148 · by **Big Grim** » Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:52 pm

chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Big Grim wrote:True enough, though I am fond of the first MP Bumblebee.

~ Grim

That first one was money.

He really was!

~ Grim

by **LunarBolt1984** » Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:08 pm

MP? More like M-Piece of crap

News Credits: 96 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:29 pm

LunarBolt1984 wrote:MP? More like M-Piece of crap

Much Poo.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:30 pm

Am I the only one who thinks that this Cliffjumper being a reshelling of Bumblebee v2 is a bit suspect? :-?

News Credits: 96 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:59 pm

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Am I the only one who thinks that this Cliffjumper being a reshelling of Bumblebee v2 is a bit suspect?

Suspect how?

One thing is sure, that's a lazy design. Like applying lipstick to a pig.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:08 pm

-Kanrabat- wrote:
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Am I the only one who thinks that this Cliffjumper being a reshelling of Bumblebee v2 is a bit suspect?

Suspect how?

One thing is sure, that's a lazy design. Like applying lipstick to a pig.

I'd have expected TakaraTomy to make him all-new, while this reshell is more a "3P" approach. Still... :-?

MyFigureCollection.net collection · by **Emerje** » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:00 am

I'm more concerned(?) about the lack of info from Japan. Seems like we should have gotten an official announcement, Twitter tease, or magazine spread by now. Maybe they know how underwhelmed we all are about it.

Emerje