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Primacron's Little Helper wrote:I think the stuff that FanProject are developing is far more exciting than anything Hasbro is doing, although I guess we'll find out more on that at Botcon.
El Duque wrote:Primacron's Little Helper wrote:I think the stuff that FanProject are developing is far more exciting than anything Hasbro is doing, although I guess we'll find out more on that at Botcon.
My thoughts exactly. Can Hasbro just subcontract these guys to do the Classics/Universe line for them.
Counterpunch wrote:El Duque wrote:Primacron's Little Helper wrote:I think the stuff that FanProject are developing is far more exciting than anything Hasbro is doing, although I guess we'll find out more on that at Botcon.
My thoughts exactly. Can Hasbro just subcontract these guys to do the Classics/Universe line for them.
I think they're getting really, really close to getting their asses sued honestly.
I know, I know...it's China...good luck, etc. But the number 1 toy manufacturer in the world has at least a bit of sway with the factories that could put together entire Transformer toys.
Additions, add-ons, accessories...those are all one thing. When Fans Project starts dipping into actual characters...I think we could end up seeing some claws from Hasbro.
El Duque wrote:Counterpunch wrote:El Duque wrote:Primacron's Little Helper wrote:I think the stuff that FanProject are developing is far more exciting than anything Hasbro is doing, although I guess we'll find out more on that at Botcon.
My thoughts exactly. Can Hasbro just subcontract these guys to do the Classics/Universe line for them.
I think they're getting really, really close to getting their asses sued honestly.
I know, I know...it's China...good luck, etc. But the number 1 toy manufacturer in the world has at least a bit of sway with the factories that could put together entire Transformer toys.
Additions, add-ons, accessories...those are all one thing. When Fans Project starts dipping into actual characters...I think we could end up seeing some claws from Hasbro.
I know that was in the back on my mind as well. So how does this work? Obviously these upcoming FP figures like Collector and Defender have an extreme and intended resemblance to Wrekgar and Springer, but they aren't duplicates of anything Hasbro/Takara has done and they have different names. What can Hasbro/Takara do? They don't have an exclusive patent on transforming toys. I'm asking honestly, not trying to be a smart ass.
Counterpunch wrote:El Duque wrote:Primacron's Little Helper wrote:I think the stuff that FanProject are developing is far more exciting than anything Hasbro is doing, although I guess we'll find out more on that at Botcon.
My thoughts exactly. Can Hasbro just subcontract these guys to do the Classics/Universe line for them.
I think they're getting really, really close to getting their asses sued honestly.
I know, I know...it's China...good luck, etc. But the number 1 toy manufacturer in the world has at least a bit of sway with the factories that could put together entire Transformer toys.
Additions, add-ons, accessories...those are all one thing. When Fans Project starts dipping into actual characters...I think we could end up seeing some claws from Hasbro.
Primacron's Little Helper wrote:
I think it's an interesting point about FanProject dipping into actual figures rather than add-ons, maybe a question someone could ask at BotCon is how worried Hasbro are about these 3rd party companies.
Mind you, the WST Dinobots have been around for a while, equally the Jizai figures (Cyclonus, Wheelie, etc) without seemingly getting HasTak too worried.
Diem wrote:It's not a question of whether Hasbro can sue as whether they will sue. HasTak owns these characters and the rights to any toy or collectable representation of them.
Judge: Is there any evidence that the defendants have been illegally using the likenesses of your property?
Hasbro: We would like to present Exhibit A, Transformers: The Movie.
TV: "Dare To Be Stupid" etc.
Judge: Guilty!
Unfortunately, that's Hasbro's decision to make, not yours.Autobot032 wrote:I seriously fail to see why Hasbro would come down on these guys.
Their version of Springer is just on the line, but doesn't cross it.
1.) Hasbro never made a show accurate figure, and FP's most certainly isn't.
Are you implying that in the hypothetical event of FP being sued they should try and claim their figure has no connection to Transformers? Because that would be the most stupid and irresponsible thing they could do.3.) It's not called Springer or an Autobot, and TF-Paralax means jack squat. They could argue that the TF isn't short for TransFormers, and it's just a code for their company's paperwork or whatever.
"What I'm doing isn't wrong because someone else did it first and didn't get in trouble for it" stops working after you're 6 years old, I'm afraid.If somehow Hasbro can crack down on these guys, it's not only wrong, it should be a crime.
They didn't go after RS when they made A.R.C. (which was CLEARLY an infringement of Hasbro's property. Her name sounded out loud like Arcee, she looked exactly like the animation Model, and her head was the Daniel Headmaster.) so if they go after FP, it's an injustice.
Hasbro's pulled some boneheaded moves in recent history, but they're not evil, they're not villains. Let's not vilify them just yet.
Diem wrote:Unfortunately, that's Hasbro's decision to make, not yours.Autobot032 wrote:I seriously fail to see why Hasbro would come down on these guys.
Their version of Springer is just on the line, but doesn't cross it.1.) Hasbro never made a show accurate figure, and FP's most certainly isn't.
But if HasTak do decide to make another Springer this could damage their sales.
Diem wrote:Unfortunately, that's Hasbro's decision to make, not yours.Autobot032 wrote:I seriously fail to see why Hasbro would come down on these guys.
Their version of Springer is just on the line, but doesn't cross it.
Diem wrote:Autobot032 wrote:1.) Hasbro never made a show accurate figure, and FP's most certainly isn't.
But if HasTak do decide to make another Springer this could damage their sales.
Diem wrote:Are you implying that in the hypothetical event of FP being sued they should try and claim their figure has no connection to Transformers? Because that would be the most stupid and irresponsible thing they could do.Autobot032 wrote:3.) It's not called Springer or an Autobot, and TF-Paralax means jack squat. They could argue that the TF isn't short for TransFormers, and it's just a code for their company's paperwork or whatever.
Diem wrote:"What I'm doing isn't wrong because someone else did it first and didn't get in trouble for it" stops working after you're 6 years old, I'm afraid.Autobot032 wrote:If somehow Hasbro can crack down on these guys, it's not only wrong, it should be a crime.
They didn't go after RS when they made A.R.C. (which was CLEARLY an infringement of Hasbro's property. Her name sounded out loud like Arcee, she looked exactly like the animation Model, and her head was the Daniel Headmaster.) so if they go after FP, it's an injustice.
Diem wrote:Autobot032 wrote:Hasbro's pulled some boneheaded moves in recent history, but they're not evil, they're not villains. Let's not vilify them just yet.
I know it's very tempting to think of Hasbro as the bad guys in this, and FP as the good guys. Especially when Hasbro's been disappointing a lot of fans recently while FP's been exciting them. But to be honest, Hasbro's pretty good to both us fans and to independant TF accessory makers. Take, for example, SquareEnix, who instructed fans making a non-profit fan update of Chrono Trigger to stop, or FOX who leap like hungry cats onto any website that uploads Simpsons. I'm sure Hasbro are not unaware of the indy toy makers, but they seem to have been turning a blind eye.
Diem wrote:If, on the other hand, Hasbro was worried that their sales, trademarks or image were being affected, they'd be well within their rights to ask FP to stop production, at least, without being evil or villains. And just because you and other fans like FP's works, it doesn't mean they're not in a seriously grey legal area. I don't think Hasbro would sue over this, but it would be difficult to blame them if they did.
Rodentus Prime wrote:Diem wrote:Unfortunately, that's Hasbro's decision to make, not yours.Autobot032 wrote:I seriously fail to see why Hasbro would come down on these guys.
Their version of Springer is just on the line, but doesn't cross it.Diem wrote:Autobot032 wrote:1.) Hasbro never made a show accurate figure, and FP's most certainly isn't.
But if HasTak do decide to make another Springer this could damage their sales.
I think that the target market for Hasbro figures and FP figures are so different that Hasbro are unlikely to do anything about it - hopefully the only effect it will have will be to prod Hasbro into making their own versions of these characters in Universe.
Autobot032 wrote:
From the tone of your post, I get the feeling you're not a fan of what FP's doing. I don't know if it's coming from a moralistic point of view, a Hasbro fan point of view, or what, but if it is the case, then all of what I've said thus far is just falling on stone deaf ears.
Down_Shift wrote:Wreck-Gar on the other hand I forgot to ask questions about.
El Duque wrote:I figure there are a few factors that may keep Has/Tak of FP's back. These figures will be at a considerably higher price point than any version Has/Tak will procduce and they will only be available thru online retailers. You'll never see a FP's item hanging on a peg at Wal-Mart right next to it's Has/Tak version for a similar price. FP products have a small production run. That combination of factors means for the most part only hardcore adult collectors are in their market, which Has/Tak has repeatedly stated only makes up less than 10% of their market. I hope that enough to keep Has/Tak at bay.
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