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Shaft - Chaning Sides and Why It Should Not Occur

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Postby Rat Convoy » Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:14 pm

DISCHARGE wrote:Alright Decepticons,
sit back and watch the Autobots crumble from the inside out.
How can they expect to win a war when they can't even win the
sparks of their own faction.
It is futile Autobots lay down your weapons and we will let you slave away in the energon mines.

"Til Autobots are none." :CON:


Can we leave the RP aspects out of this, please? There are times to talk trash between the sides and times when it's not exactly appropriate. Balanced sides is good for the game overall, both Autobot and Decepticon. You don't have anyone to generate XP if you have no one to fight...
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Postby DISCHARGE » Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:37 pm

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Deadboy wrote:
DISCHARGE wrote:Alright Decepticons,
sit back and watch the Autobots crumble from the inside out.
How can they expect to win a war when they can't even win the
sparks of their own faction.
It is futile Autobots lay down your weapons and we will let you slave away in the energon mines.

"Til Autobots are none." :CON:


Can we leave the RP aspects out of this, please? There are times to talk trash between the sides and times when it's not exactly appropriate. Balanced sides is good for the game overall, both Autobot and Decepticon. You don't have anyone to generate XP if you have no one to fight...


Where's my tiny violin?
I thought when I signed up it was stated I wouldn't be able to switch sides. That's why I chose the winning side, not the whining side. I have to agree though, aside from the realities of war, which include traitors, switching sides should not be allowed in the game. If only for the sake of
keeping Bots around to slag.
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Postby Super Megatron » Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:39 pm

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I think this underlines another problem with the Autobot players - they are very slow to accept change and whenever something happens in the game, such as side switching to make things a little bit more even, they see it as a threat to their ranks.

I, for one, would love to see more higher level Autobots in the ranks, but if the top ranks are saturated with Decepticons and the bottom levels are filled with Autobots, such a switch is inevitable, else the who game system won't be able to sustain itself over time because it is dependent on the few players who occupy the key ranks in order to keep the game going and if they leave, the game system takes a disruptive halt due to the lack of opponents.
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Postby .op. » Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:54 pm

Super Megatron wrote:I think this underlines another problem with the Autobot players - they are very slow to accept change and whenever something happens in the game, such as side switching to make things a little bit more even, they see it as a threat to their ranks.

I, for one, would love to see more higher level Autobots in the ranks, but if the top ranks are saturated with Decepticons and the bottom levels are filled with Autobots, such a switch is inevitable, else the who game system won't be able to sustain itself over time because it is dependent on the few players who occupy the key ranks in order to keep the game going and if they leave, the game system takes a disruptive halt due to the lack of opponents.


Have to agree with Super Megatron on this point.



I will admit I wasn't happy at first. But we need to remember this is a game. If the players that switched wanted to then that is their choice and OS's.
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Postby Snoball » Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:55 pm

Well if there were to be some switching to balance things out I would more than be happy , but if there isnt I am certianly not going to bitch and whin about it and as much as DISCHARGE would like the bots to just disappear I wont stop playing the missions even if I am out numbered all the time.
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Postby Robot » Sun Apr 22, 2007 12:59 pm

.op. wrote:
Super Megatron wrote:I think this underlines another problem with the Autobot players - they are very slow to accept change and whenever something happens in the game, such as side switching to make things a little bit more even, they see it as a threat to their ranks.

I, for one, would love to see more higher level Autobots in the ranks, but if the top ranks are saturated with Decepticons and the bottom levels are filled with Autobots, such a switch is inevitable, else the who game system won't be able to sustain itself over time because it is dependent on the few players who occupy the key ranks in order to keep the game going and if they leave, the game system takes a disruptive halt due to the lack of opponents.


Have to agree with Super Megatron on this point.



I will admit I wasn't happy at first. But we need to remember this is a game. If the players that switched wanted to then that is their choice and OS's.
thats mean now i have to agree with both of you :P
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Postby Traks » Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:12 pm

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K,I guess I better add something. I have been avoiding it long enough. The reason I wanted to switch has nothing to do with being a con and able to outnumber or being a bot outnumbered and knowbody can say that it is. I was very known for throwing my bots in missions where Bots were out numbered. I am a very quiet person here at Seibs and try to stay out of everyones way for the most part. I have played on and off since 2003 and wanted a change for myself and to bring a new found fun in the game for myself. I have made some good friends here throughout the years,but I play this game is for my enjoyment and this switch was for my enjoyment. I will apologize to one person and that is OS for any static he has recieved about it.

Have a nice day.
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Postby .op. » Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:26 pm

Traks wrote:K,I guess I better add something. I have been avoiding it long enough. The reason I wanted to switch has nothing to do with being a con and able to outnumber or being a bot outnumbered and knowbody can say that it is. I was very known for throwing my bots in missions where Bots were out numbered. I am a very quiet person here at Seibs and try to stay out of everyones way for the most part. I have played on and off since 2003 and wanted a change for myself and to bring a new found fun in the game for myself. I have made some good friends here throughout the years,but I play this game is for my enjoyment and this switch was for my enjoyment. I will apologize to one person and that is OS for any static he has recieved about it.

Have a nice day.


Traks that is what this game should be about. It is about fun, and for me it is a good reason for you to switch. What ever crap you have been getting for this by some people here or on any other source is uncalled for. Let me be one of the first to say I hope you have fun playing as a Decepticon, and enjoy the game.
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Postby Traks » Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:29 pm

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Thanks OP. Thats why I have always thought of you as a "true" leader.
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Postby Snoball » Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:30 pm

Traks wrote:K,I guess I better add something. I have been avoiding it long enough. The reason I wanted to switch has nothing to do with being a con and able to outnumber or being a bot outnumbered and knowbody can say that it is. I was very known for throwing my bots in missions where Bots were out numbered. I am a very quiet person here at Seibs and try to stay out of everyones way for the most part. I have played on and off since 2003 and wanted a change for myself and to bring a new found fun in the game for myself. I have made some good friends here throughout the years,but I play this game is for my enjoyment and this switch was for my enjoyment. I will apologize to one person and that is OS for any static he has recieved about it.

Have a nice day.

Well I think you dont owe a apology to anyone , its a game and have fun with it , just because your a con it doesnt change our friendship, yup we bot's are outnumbered , so what, I for one am going to suck it up and keep on fighting, wish some people would do the same.
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Postby -Soundwave- » Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:37 pm

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.op. wrote:
Traks wrote:K,I guess I better add something. I have been avoiding it long enough. The reason I wanted to switch has nothing to do with being a con and able to outnumber or being a bot outnumbered and knowbody can say that it is. I was very known for throwing my bots in missions where Bots were out numbered. I am a very quiet person here at Seibs and try to stay out of everyones way for the most part. I have played on and off since 2003 and wanted a change for myself and to bring a new found fun in the game for myself. I have made some good friends here throughout the years,but I play this game is for my enjoyment and this switch was for my enjoyment. I will apologize to one person and that is OS for any static he has recieved about it.

Have a nice day.


Traks that is what this game should be about. It is about fun, and for me it is a good reason for you to switch. What ever crap you have been getting for this by some people here or on any other source is uncalled for. Let me be one of the first to say I hope you have fun playing as a Decepticon, and enjoy the game.
Indeed welcome to the Decepticon side. We are no longer rivals but allies.
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Postby Omega Sentinel » Sun Apr 22, 2007 2:32 pm

.op. wrote:Traks that is what this game should be about. It is about fun,
Quoted for truth.

Change is coming.

Over the next few months some of you will hate me and some of you will love me.

Change is coming.

Some of you feel like our current charades of "balance" is the key to this game even after it has been witnessed time and time and time again that our fragile "balances" never last due to issues like player population and game functionality.

Change is coming.

See a theme?

Some of you are afraid of what might happen to the game should the status quo be altered. I suggest you buckle up for a wild ride because this game is going to get alot better and it will require adjustments. Something that may require a little more effort for some than others.

The only thing I am apologizing for is posting in the AWC board about this issue. A mistake I will not make again.
.op. wrote:Traks that is what this game should be about. It is about fun,
Again...Quoted for truth.

If any of you have any issues with a game decision or a particular player from now on please contact myself or MKall.

This thread has run its course.
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